So what are your thoughts on the weekly lockout of loot in normal raids?
Is that really necessary? Consider this, after only two weeks of normal raids, you can easily gear every slot with crafted gear, which is also better when you overmeld it, rendering normal raid gear obsolete for the most part.
I have never once bought a weapon for 7 Tokens, because by the time i have enough tokens, i don't need that weapon anymore.
Normal raids shouldn't have a weekly lockout.
Weekly Lockout on normal Raids necessary?
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08-12-2024, 08:37 PMArohkWeekly Lockout on normal Raids necessary?
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08-13-2024, 12:55 AMngwoo
It helps keep the content alive and active for the duration of the patch. There's always a balancing act between drawing content out too long or making it all completable in the first week and then nobody touches it again (criterion).
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08-13-2024, 01:08 AMEponaTBHSMH
Necessary for horizontal progression but should be relaxed to accommodate people that play several roles
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08-13-2024, 01:10 AMJaxtaro
The answer is unequivocably yes, there needs to be a regulator on how fast you can "finish". This is why there are caps on tomestones, raid loot, etc. People grind...get everything they want, run out of things to do and disappear.
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08-13-2024, 02:53 AMInfindox
I'm fine with the lockout, however I think the time for said lockout should be lowered. 7 seems too much.
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08-13-2024, 07:36 PMdwodmotsAnd why is that a bad thing? There's a hundred games coming out each day on Steam alone, if someone wants to get it done and play something else, let him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaxtaro
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08-13-2024, 08:01 PMPercibelTherenSo? Didn't Yoshi-P himself say that we should take breaks and play other games? The vast majority of people won't grind things out instantly and I see no reason to stop the very small minority that would.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaxtaro
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08-13-2024, 08:24 PMKuroka
No, the moment we get crafted it feels pointless, even with better stats... IMO the limit should be different... idk, 1 piece per job on 100? Each role giving you one extra roll? If its dead you only need to raise the bonus for the raid roulette, that should do... its not dead during the x.2 patches either.
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08-13-2024, 08:47 PMJaxtaroThere are a lot of reasons it's a bad thing. The health of a persistent online game is found in the ability for players to move through content, which requires a healthy population of players willing to stick around and act as the vehicle by which players can "hitch a ride" through content with a shallow pool of peers at that level.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwodmots
It is literally the reason that the daily roulette exists with multiple options. If players could blow through content in a week, then hang it up until the next content patch, this dries up. The mechanism doesn't exist for you alone, it exists to provide you as a tool for other players. -
08-13-2024, 08:50 PMJaxtaroThis is why context matters. He didn't say it in the context of blowing through content for a couple weeks then disappearing until the next content patch. It was to dispel the idea of spending too much time in game being a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by PercibelTheren
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08-13-2024, 10:15 PMBanggugyanguFrom the "taking a break" standpoint, what difference is there in raid logging, getting your weekly drops in a couple hours, then "taking a break" and playing something else until tuesday? From a game longevity and game health perspective, there's a HUGE difference, but from the "taking a break" perspective, there's functionally no difference, except that perhaps the individual doing that would be less likely to burn out.Quote:
Originally Posted by PercibelTheren
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08-14-2024, 02:54 AMZakuyiayou really think people care about what he says....just look at forum and ask yourself....When given life are we meant to suffer...then relook at forums theres your answers.Quote:
Originally Posted by PercibelTheren
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08-14-2024, 03:32 AMCNitsahIt's a mmo, it NEEDS some retention mechanics, that give you long term goal. That part of the whole kick of MMORPGs. They already forgot that when they removed the relics grind and the exploratory zones et didn't replace it by anything, and we all saw how it went. The lack of things to commit on the long run is the worst that can happen in a MMO. The other solution si giving new content regulary (every couple of week), but we know that ain't happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by PercibelTheren
Also, don't forget that, for someone that don't do extremes/savage, that weapon will be the main weapon for until the end of 6.1 for the augmented version, in 6 to 7 month. -
08-14-2024, 08:42 PMValence
Instead of lowering or uncapping anything, I think they could introduce a twofold system if they really wanted:
- Week 1: Normal mode raid release with no change, same gear than usual
- Week 2/3: Savage mode release, and introduction of tokens for raid gear augmentation so that the gear stays competitive with crafted and the new tomes.
- Next odd patch (x.1, x.3, x.5 patches): ability to spend the same tokens now to augment a second time the raid gear in order to stay competitive with the augmented tome gear of that patch (which requires AR token coins). Would essentially be equivalent to the savage gear minus maybe dyability or whatever.
This would bring two main benefits:
1) NM raids would still get run for the whole duration of the tier, so over 2 patches, instead of drying up after a mere 2-3 weeks when savage releases.
2) Offering more gearing options to casual players that don't do savage. Having only tomestone gear with no serious competition or alternative feels really bad when you're not raiding. Not only it takes ages to gear a single job, but on top of it you can't customize anything and will have to eat bad sks/sps, anything.