I don't understand why this fight is so damn hard. Is there a logical reason why with only missing 1 plume during phase one she still deals 3500 dmg to everyone in the pt? What are we doing wrong??? I guess for those who were able to get on the BLM ban-waggon and get all their weapons in 1 sitting congratulations the rest of us have to deal with not understanding why even with near perfect plum clear we still wipe to AB. I'm so over this shit.
Garuda why!
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08-02-2012, 06:22 AMEndlessGaruda why!
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08-02-2012, 06:26 AMCascade
she can also dmg the rocks.... so her postion is key as well to keep her from doing that
also the longer you take to get her to 2hr stage the more time she has to dmg the rocks -
08-02-2012, 06:32 AMTaika
If the AB hits you that hard while you're successfully killing the plumes, you're not taking her HP down fast enough in first phase.
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08-02-2012, 06:34 AMRau
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H1uExJUUXM&feature=plcp
have you tried using Bards to clear it? Plumes go down pretty fast. Have the bards use Throwing Items as well. It doesn't matter which, but the extra source of TP helps. -
08-02-2012, 06:54 AMEndlessI'm going to try it, at this point nothing else seems to work. thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rau
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08-02-2012, 06:57 AMTatsuguy
as long as one of your pillars are at full health and you're fully buffed at AB should survive..
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08-02-2012, 06:57 AMDoho
the sad thing is, that's not even the hardest part of the fight :|
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08-02-2012, 07:08 AMRauStoneskin works wonders here, as well as the Bard 15min.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tatsuguy
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08-02-2012, 07:42 PMAlkimiPretty much this. We still haven't beaten this but we're getting close. We can pretty consistently get her Aerial Blast down to 2k damage and force skip Phase 2 (where she warps around all over the place) but it's just going to take more practice and we'll get there. Setup we're using atm is PLD 3xBRD 3xBLM WHM but we're considering replacing a BRD and a BLM with 2xDRG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doho
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08-02-2012, 07:51 PMTaikaSame thing here. Getting to phase 3, then something (panic & chaos) happens and we wipe. I guess we'll just need to learn the positioning better and try not to panic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alkimi
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08-02-2012, 08:07 PMAlkimi
Yeah for us Chiralda usually goes down pretty easily but our BRDs just can't deal with Suprana and they die to her too often. Hence why we're going to try dropping a BLM and a BRD.
From our many many runs so far we've found that you only really need 2 BRDs to deal with plumes up until her last set of them before Aerial Blast where she spawns a shit load of them. For that one we'll have the DRGs help out with Keen Flurry > Ring of Talons x2. DRG also has Dragonfire Dive which is a nice quick way to help out the BLMs if they're struggling with Chiralda. -
08-02-2012, 08:12 PMChardrizard
We usually go PLD WHM MNK DRG 2BLM 2BRD
During clone phase, PLD can grab Suparna while MNK taunt Chirada so their AoE doesnt hit anyone but the MNK, easier to get into position and less panicy. -
08-02-2012, 08:25 PMLeo_HartQuote:
Originally Posted by Chardrizard
"MNK(tank) > Chi" "DPS+WHM" "Suparna+Garuda > Main Tank(PLD/WAR)"
Something like this, anyone have better picture? -
08-02-2012, 09:13 PMAlkimi
Something like that (I think). A MNK with fists of fire up and 2 BLMs will drop Chiralda in no time, only has about 6k HP or something.
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08-02-2012, 10:35 PMAlkel
Garuda from a BRD perspective:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyEsG6a40v4
We usually use BLMx2-BRDx2-DRG-WARx2-WHM or BLMx3-BRDx2-WARx2-WHM
2BRD and 1 WAR are enough to handle the plumes during phase1. -
08-02-2012, 10:54 PMTango
I'm really surprised no one uses this setup: WAR,WAR,BRD,BRD,BLM,BLM,BLM,WHM
BRD 2hr at start, BRD 2hr at aerial blast
This way when chirada/suprana pop main tank can switch to grab chirada (and collusion your top BLM for his flare) and 2nd WAR can grab suprana (and pull him on top of the tank) this way both WAR's can dps down suprana
key's to success: forcing aerial blast just after the 3rd wave of adds, identify [clock/middle/east] and getting into position quickly (tank/OTank pickup chirada/suprana) -
08-03-2012, 12:29 AMRau]Quote:
Originally Posted by Tango
This is more or less what we used to do but the WAR nerf seemed to cut into our strategy. However if it still works for you, you must be getting like 5 min kills o.o -
08-03-2012, 12:54 AMKinseykinzThis was our best strat even after war nerf....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tango
BUUUUTTT...
LS seems hell-bent on 'but other people do this?' and wish to try new combinations of classes that just don't work as well for us. Sometimes I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall...
But yes, this strat still works. As does any strategy really that has a balance between elemental DD's and AOE DD's. At this point, it is best to use whatever setup your group is best geared in and has the jobs they have the most talent playing.
This however, doesn't keep people from the 'Tank, WHM, DRGx2, Bard, BLMx3' strat...cause it's 'the way people do Garuda now.' -
08-03-2012, 01:05 AMZezlarbecause it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Endless
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08-03-2012, 01:32 AMSynysterBlitz
Our shell has just recently beat Garuda and we used WAR (Tank) WARX2 (DD's may have been WAR+DRG) BRD x2 BLM X2 and WHM.. Timing is very important on when you have her do her 2hr, as you can skip phase 2 and immediately go to phase 3 with clones. In the run we won we did we killed two sets of clones and finally won :) hardest part is getting this done with no deaths :( damn you relic quest lol.
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08-03-2012, 01:46 AMAdvancedWindCome on, let's be fair here. Garuda is a pretty hard fight. No offense intended, but sometimes I get the feel that for many people around here, if their LS farms battle X, then battle X isn't hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zezlar
There are a lot of players struggling against Gaurda and to even have a shot at starting getting wins the "average" player pretty much needs to get a consistent, good static party and spend a few days throwing themselves at it.
I swear it, as soon as more people start farming Ifrit Extreme, it won't be "hard" anymore -
08-03-2012, 03:21 AMAlkimi
Problem is the average player in this game is terrible, particularly on Ragnarok for some reason. I've done some pickups of Garuda out of morbid curiosity and I've counted too many BLMs rocking up in 5/5 AF and Aubriest's Whisper thinking they're going to stand the slightest chance.
If you try saying to them in the nicest way possible that their gear is terrible 90% of them just overreact and call you elitist. -
08-03-2012, 04:02 AMAdvancedWindI'm not saying that there aren't legitimate bad players (and PUGs are one of the most effective ways to find em), but I don't know...I just have the feel that, at least on these forums, you're forbidden to say that, hey, content X is hard. If you dare do that, be ready for people "correcting" you on a good day or downright question your playing abilities on a bad one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alkimi
Garuda specifically is two tiers above any other boss in the game bar IfEx, first phase (specially if skipping phase two) is a somewhat heavy gear check, second phase is so annoying that most LS strategies revolve around skipping it and clones require reasonably good tanking, positioning and plain HP burning skills to defeat.
It's not ball crushingly, "gotta try 100+ times to win" hard, and once you get the hang of it can be farmed without too much problem, but still is quite decently hard imo.
And before anyone checks to "discredit" my opnion, yes, I haven't beat her yet, it's on my plans. Tried very few times since I don't really have time to join my LS runs, sadly. -
08-03-2012, 04:18 AMRauQuote:
Originally Posted by AdvancedWind
It's a gear/howmanskillsyoucanmashinto7minutes check. Unfortunately, a number of players can't keep up with that. The fight isn't impossible with AF. It just takes longer, and the longer the fight is, the more chances there are to make mistakes, making it harder to win. IMO, it is one of my favorite fights in the game, and I hope they don't change it because there is nothing wrong it as is.
However, when someone does come in and shit all over people who say it is difficult, I can imagine it is disheartening to be told "you suck lolol" -
08-03-2012, 05:41 PMAlkelWe see many LS during ou Garuda run who are able to beat Garuda. So there is also a good amount of capable players on ragnarok :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alkimi
But for sure, garuda is not the kind of thing you can do pickup like ifrit or mog.
In order to succed, we had to work the strat during a long time with a solid group and now we are training other LS members one by one.
And i 100% agreee, full AF BLM cant succed in this fight, since most of the group doing it are skipping the laggy phase2. -
08-03-2012, 07:37 PMyoshikwalla
Yeah, it's pretty damn hard. Easier than Darnus, but HAAARD.
I'm not even going to bother with primal weapons... going for skirmish + 25k gc, then slowly working on relic. :< I'm not doing this because I can't do it (I can, though it would take hours)... it's just the drop rate is stupid and I'd rather spend time socializing and joking around with my guild while casually doing caravans than fighting an OP boss for hours while my guild racks their respective brains.
And after spending 3 days failing nonstop at beating Darnus before finally beating him with a team that had the drive to finally succeed, I'm taking a while to relax and do the side missions and whatnot. -
08-03-2012, 10:41 PMReeruru
Yeah, I'm having trouble with Garuda as well... I don't have a static so I try and teach PUG groups. It's definatly a fight that requires a lot of practice and team work. Its hard to find that with random people, especially it one members experience is higher than the others and can't understand why others are having a tough time with it. Best thing to do is to just keep practicing with the same people and one day you'll nail it.
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08-03-2012, 10:45 PMDohoThat's funny! I find Darnus way easier than Garuda. Yaaay that must mean i'm not as bad as I thought I was lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by yoshikwalla
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08-03-2012, 11:01 PMForerunnerYay for us. Darnus was a cakewalk compared with Garuda, more fun to do too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doho
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08-03-2012, 11:56 PMKraususQuote:
Originally Posted by Endless
Just keep at it the more rocks sections that are up the less damage you take from AB. We use 1 WHM, PLD, 2 BLM, 2 BRD, 1 DRG and for the 8th it all depends on what they want to play we will either go in with a 3rd BLM (not needed but speeds up the first phase) or a DRG/MNK. BRD and a DRG are beast at clearing plumes fast but usually we will have the BRDs only clearing them until the last wave of plumes. Once you consistently survive her AB you can then work on timed nuking to skip phase 2 and go directly to add phase. -
08-04-2012, 12:03 AMEndlessYour post was very helpful thank you so much for your wisdom and insight. Ok people shut it down, no need to continue after Zezlars un-matched contribution to this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zezlar
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08-04-2012, 12:10 AMAlkimiOn about our 20th attempt at Garuda learning the fight, Darnus we beat with ease on the 2nd attempt. We only lost the first because a couple of people weren't sure about the fight. Once you know how the fight works Darnus is very very easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by yoshikwalla
Unless you mean the lvl 45 one.