Summoner Rework 2.0

Summoner job design Idea will be the same,
Mage who summon Eikons to empower their skills,

each summon should have their own characteristics and gameplay differences shapeshifting, basically it is Druid but for FFXIV

Summoner will have the casting time of Black mage and the melee combo of red mage with no raise we don't need another tax for our beloved summoner job.

Ifrit, yes this is the best, I played FF16 and I must say, this Eikon grows on me so fast I love it,

Ifrit is the melee form of Summoner, Summoner stop using his dumb book and use his fangs to do devastating attacks that is fast and deadly, something similar to Reaper shroud, Casts are 1.5 to 2 seconds with 2 OGCDs.

Phenix is the range version of Ifrit and more damage but has longer cast 2.5 with there characteristics:
- when switch to this form Summoner will get buff that will auto raise summoner when died.
- each phenix attack will consume Summoner health reaching to 0 will auto raise.

Bahamut is range and not only the most powerful but the slowest too, 3.0 second recast with 1000 potency attacks, damage buffs to party too.

Titan again it is melee like Ifrit but slower and higher potency

Garuda weaker than Bahamut but the ability to Walk casting like PVP Machinist and Bard.

remove solar Bahamut

In conclusion:
2 Melee forms: 1 High speed, 1 Low speed
3 Range forms: 1 Normal casting, 1 Walking casting, 1 Slow Casting

that's it, I know it is not complete I am just giving the ideas.

I believe summoner super power has been held by too much utility and raise..
Just remove them let us have a real job with respected damage

i think this could be simplified down to
Summoner = Shapeshifter
and draws from the Ysayle/Tsukoyomi-inspired version of Summoning
Within the Lore these two methods of summoning don't seem to have the same drawbacks as conjuring new beings from nowhere, the individual who takes on these "Aspects" of the true mythological ideals people share about an agreed upon being retain their minds, and don't have or don't use tempering, and finally they can return to normal once they expend the necessary aetherical energies/crystals needed in the first place to obtain the form. This means there should be a safe way perhaps using the job crystal and their unnatural amount of aether for the WoL to after building meter transform into one of the predetermined summoned entities, in this case


Titanized version of the player character (Skin turns brown along with hair taking another shade of brown and armor and or glamor being replaced with a titanized bodysuit specific to each gender.)
Ifritized version of the player character (Skin turns red along with hair taking another shade of red or orange and armor and or glamor being replaced with a Ifritized bodysuit specific to each gender.)
Garudaized version of the player character (Skin turns white along with hair taking another shade of dark green and armor and or glamor being replaced with a garudaized bodysuit specific to each gender.)

Similar to their original 2.0 versions
The Titan Form grants you a shield equal to your full hp making you sturdier than the next two forms, it has a melee attack button that is a 3 in 1 button combo like Pictomancers spell Fire in Red, it also has a ranged attack button assuming you want to play it ranged this button replaces Ruin 3
The Ifrit Form grants your higher spell speed making your melee combo button much quicker than the other two forms resulting in higher dps, their ranged option works similarly to titans,
The Garuda form grants increased movement speed and two times the duration as the other two, therefore it has its own unique value as a mobility option to avoid mechanics as it has 2x the movement speed as your base form, 4x when sprinting, it has a 3 in 1 combo button and a ranged option just like the other two.

Phoenix Rising is a skill that can do two things one being an auto-proc if you die it'll auto-raise you back to life, or if you manually activate it, it will fully charge your summoning meter (needed to transform into the above forms), the cooldown being around 8 minutes, or similar to hollow-ground,
Bahamut form, while in one of the above forms you can hit the Bahamut button and become Bahamut for 12 seconds, capable of using either of his signature attacks already in the summoner job, the duration for this is 12 seconds or whatever time is left on your summoning meter whichever is the least.

Speaking of the summoning meter, your meter can be used at any time so long as you have some meter built up, the size of the bar is measured in seconds with the maximum non-garuda form being 30 seconds, garuda form lasting 60 seconds,

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Originally Posted by Tunda

Summoner job design Idea will be the same,
Mage who summon Eikons to empower their skills,

each summon should have their own characteristics and gameplay differences shapeshifting, basically it is Druid but for FFXIV

Summoner will have the casting time of Black mage and the melee combo of red mage with no raise we don't need another tax for our beloved summoner job.

Ifrit, yes this is the best, I played FF16 and I must say, this Eikon grows on me so fast I love it,

Ifrit is the melee form of Summoner, Summoner stop using his dumb book and use his fangs to do devastating attacks that is fast and deadly, something similar to Reaper shroud, Casts are 1.5 to 2 seconds with 2 OGCDs.

Phenix is the range version of Ifrit and more damage but has longer cast 2.5 with there characteristics:
- when switch to this form Summoner will get buff that will auto raise summoner when died.
- each phenix attack will consume Summoner health reaching to 0 will auto raise.

Bahamut is range and not only the most powerful but the slowest too, 3.0 second recast with 1000 potency attacks, damage buffs to party too.

Titan again it is melee like Ifrit but slower and higher potency

Garuda weaker than Bahamut but the ability to Walk casting like PVP Machinist and Bard.

remove solar Bahamut

In conclusion:
2 Melee forms: 1 High speed, 1 Low speed
3 Range forms: 1 Normal casting, 1 Walking casting, 1 Slow Casting

that's it, I know it is not complete I am just giving the ideas.

I believe summoner super power has been held by too much utility and raise..
Just remove them let us have a real job with respected damage

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SE only makes jobs more simple. Any additional changes to summoner would bring it closer to a scholar DPS rotation, you can look at the VPR changes for proof

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Originally Posted by Tunda

Summoner job design Idea will be the same,
Mage who summon Eikons to empower their skills,

each summon should have their own characteristics and gameplay differences shapeshifting, basically it is Druid but for FFXIV

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Honestly I’d rather they just create a separate Druid shapeshifting job. That was what some people were hoping for with Green Mage. We got Picto instead, which I love, but that doesn’t mean they won’t add more jobs in the future. A Druid type job would be really cool for XIV, but I don’t think it fits SMN.

Right now, Summoner is more true to the job fantasy of the older games. What it really needs is more gem summons to round out the elements and liven up the rotation in between demis.

I would like to see summoner broke something called "rotation"

Each fight summoner should summon eikon 1 time only

Summoning ifrit 5 times in 1 fight is boring and dumb

Streamline the summoning for the whole fight

Doesn’t it kind of contradict the definition of ‘Summoner’ if they’re literally changing into the desired entity? I’d rather Summoners just summoned personally; a Shapeshifting job should be its own thing ( Psst…it’s Beastmaster )

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Originally Posted by Connor

Doesn’t it kind of contradict the definition of ‘Summoner’ if they’re literally changing into the desired entity? I’d rather Summoners just summoned personally; a Shapeshifting job should be its own thing ( Psst…it’s Beastmaster )

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Beast master clearly is a pet job as yoshi said

It is not shape-shifting

Current summoner isn't even a pet job
You have 0 control on ur pet he is not even attacking

It is like rigged shape-shifting job

i have my own take for summoner, i post i think like year ago?

- the flow still the same, you summon the "big" one (bahamut, phoenix, etc) you get 3 summon crystal
- the difference now is these 3 crystal is not ifrit, garuda and titan crystal, it just simply 3 summoning crystal
- you have array of summon you can pick the higher your level is
- each primal has it own spell when you summon them just like now, but you have many primal to choose from, each primal has different spell and ability
- like maybe ramuh has dot spell, leviathan is strong in AOE, ifrit deal better on single target, garuda spell is instant and kinda weak, but you can move while doing so, titan is in between, shiva give you def buff while you cast spell, etc
- so simply put you use 3 crystal to summon 3 times, but what you summon is up to you and the situation
- so in mob situation you can just summon leviathan - ramuh - leviathan, in boss fight where single target is important then its ifrit - titan - ifrit, or if the boss doing aoe a lot so you need constant moving, garuda - shiva - garuda, and so on

its much more flexible and really capture the feel of being a summoner where you use your arsenal of primal according to situation

I think the quickest fix to make SMN more engaging is adding back at least a weakness dot akin to RPR. SMN needs a lot more abilities and casting but this will take time.
I think if they readded some sort of weakness dot that makes you do extra damage on Necro and your summon spells, it will at least give you some future optimisation opportunities.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

I think the quickest fix to make SMN more engaging is adding back at least a weakness dot akin to RPR. SMN needs a lot more abilities and casting but this will take time.
I think if they readded some sort of weakness dot that makes you do extra damage on Necro and your summon spells, it will at least give you some future optimisation opportunities.

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We don't need quick fixes

Quick fixes can be done in small patches not an expansion

The job now feels limited with rigged identity

It is not a caster nor physical

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Originally Posted by Tunda

We don't need quick fixes

Quick fixes can be done in small patches not an expansion

The job now feels limited with rigged identity

It is not a caster nor physical

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A caster casts spells. SMN casts spells. The speed of the casts doesn’t make them any less of a caster.

The devs have said they’re leaning more in job identity in 8.0. Summoner isn’t a Druid or a shapeshifter, though like I said, that would be a cool additional job to have. Summoners summon, and in this game what they summon are arcane constructs from the lingering aether of primals we’ve fought. What Summoner really needs is more summons… imo the very next thing that should be added is Levi, Shiva and Ramuh, which a large number of players have been requesting for years now.

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

A caster casts spells. SMN casts spells. The speed of the casts doesn’t make them any less of a caster.

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SMN is a caster in role bonus and gear only. It's a physical ranged with magical flavour

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

A caster casts spells. SMN casts spells. The speed of the casts doesn’t make them any less of a caster.

The devs have said they’re leaning more in job identity in 8.0. Summoner isn’t a Druid or a shapeshifter, though like I said, that would be a cool additional job to have. Summoners summon, and in this game what they summon are arcane constructs from the lingering aether of primals we’ve fought. What Summoner really needs is more summons… imo the very next thing that should be added is Levi, Shiva and Ramuh, which a large number of players have been requesting for years now.

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Samurai has more cast time than summoner

It is a clear issue if you play high mobility job and you expected deal damage like hard caster or melee

Nope it is not gonna happened it is not fair and not balanced that's why summoner deal the least damage of almost all dps jobs

Summoner shape shift 2 abilities based on the summon

It is shapeshifter eve if you don't like it.

If it shape shift it should shapeshift correctly

i still say its not a shapeshifter, we didnt "transform" into a primal, we just learn their ability and incorporate it our ways (waving hand, book etc)

at least i dont remember any summoning in any ff game where you literally transform into the summon. we just summon them and they appear alongside us and fight together either for a short burst or for a while, its basically master servant kind of thing

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Originally Posted by gumas

i still say its not a shapeshifter, we didnt "transform" into a primal, we just learn their ability and incorporate it our ways (waving hand, book etc)

at least i dont remember any summoning in any ff game where you literally transform into the summon. we just summon them and they appear alongside us and fight together either for a short burst or for a while, its basically master servant kind of thing

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Ff16 summoning style is the best in my opinion

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Originally Posted by Tunda

We don't need quick fixes

Quick fixes can be done in small patches not an expansion

The job now feels limited with rigged identity

It is not a caster nor physical

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read the second sentence.

No, thanks. That sounds awful.

Summoner =/= Shape shifter

We aren’t even a SMN right now, I have no idea why people think this iteration feels like a SMN. We are a glorified ruin mage while the primals have been reduced to non impactful nothingness we don’t even have to try to summon, there is no build up, no payoff. You just spam ruin

Old SMN had too many things going on but at least it had the impact of building towards Bahamut so it actually felt earned, modern SMN is just a void of a job

I’d be gone if they leaned into OP’s design (which evokes 16’s dominants who can semi prime or prime into their primals) or actually revert to something like ShB SMN without all the clutter where you actually spend time building towards your actual summons but “current job but add shiva, Levi and ramuh” is not the correct answer for this void of a job

I feel like if they slightly lengthened the time you spent in each summon phase and added more contextual spells to each, Summoner could feel a lot more complete too. Bahamut > Summon A > Summon B > Phoenix > Summon C > Summon D. Entirely replace Ruin with Gemshine, and have 3 extra spell slots that shift based on summon.

I doubt they'd revert to old Summoner levels of complexity (granted, I have no experience with that one, joined just shy of EW release) but that doesn't mean current summoner can't be a bit more interactive.

Rename to bahamut mage and call it a day. That's what we are so at least make it clear to not mislead people.

>Remove Bahamut and keep Solar Bahamut (or vice versa)
>Give to Phoenix the solar Bahamut heal
>Bahamut works like shB Bahamut
>Energy drain has 30s cd
>Ruin III does more damage than Topaz Rite, Mountain Buster is a titan standalone ogcd that can proc a buffed Topaz rite
>Free carbuncle from other summons so it can persists in the fight, give it back searing light, give it a ground dot and give it Rescue
>Ruin IV is stackable like in shB
>Every elemental summon has 2 seconds of cast and drastically reduce the summon attack animation. Every elemental summon gives a Ruin IV
>Give to smn another elemental summon

with everyone playing with the special effects of others turn off, I kind of miss the point of why summon could just be a graphically glorious job similar to how it was in 11, or basically make it Yuna in ff14 except you don't control the summon, you summon the pet and they decide what they want to do, each summon last 30 seconds and has a 6 minute cool down, you learn new summons as you level up and can only have 3 primed, not including Bahamut who you have to build up toward by summoning 3 primed summons once each, and Phoenix who you have to work toward much the same except it its 6 used summons, and solar bahamut who is 9 used summons and is currently the cap, you can use all the primals who we've fought in the past a potential equipable primed base summons, including Shiva, Leviathan, Thordan, The triad, all of them, while the summons do their things, the Summoner can focus on a more robust rotation of ruin spells, dots, and any new summoner spells they learned since their buttons would be freed up from the summoned pets abilities.