Synthing - Lack of delay for some

Good day gentlesirs and ma'ams,

I was sitting at ifrit today and this character Ouka Leonhart was synthing next to me. He was crafting so fast that I couldn't even see the animation for fails or success. Now, I've seen this before - but never this bad.

Does anyone else notice these speed synthers? I'm assuming it's some kind of latency or server issues, but I could be wrong.

I want to give the benefit of the doubt and suggest he might have been doing repairs? But it might have been some sort of bot or hack or something I guess.

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Originally Posted by Pyretta_Blaze

I want to give the benefit of the doubt and suggest he might have been doing repairs? But it might have been some sort of bot or hack or something I guess.

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Nope, it was a lot slower than that (thank god it wasnt that fast). He was definitely synthing something because he was using abilities toward the end of the synth.

If you time it right you can perform the actions continuously with very little delay in between, but this almost sounds faster than that.

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Originally Posted by REDace0

If you time it right you can perform the actions continuously with very little delay in between, but this almost sounds faster than that.

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I've mouse spammed things as soon as they're available. I couldnt match his speed no mater how fast I clicked. I recorded him on my iphone but only really know how to upload it to fb. ><

using the 4 skills that give just progress (20, 20, 30, 30) can finish a synth in 4 steps, if crafting leve items, the animation wont be seem by others in certain areas.

This happens sometimes with latency, but I'm not sure how fast you're speaking of exactly.
As far as I know it's nearly impossible to hack FFXIV

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This happens sometimes with latency

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If the game client receives a bunch of data late, then the client will speed up the animations in an attempt re-sync the game.
Another noticeable symptom is that you have people move fast, stop moving, move fast repeatedly.

I think some players use turbo controllers for this so their actions can be executed more quickly than what is possible when a human finger is pushing the button.

If they are using abilities at some point, then it probably means there is someone home and at least they aren't just botting.

ps- We can't see other players' repair actions anymore, so it can't be them repairing their gear.

Why is everybody so blind to the fact that this person simply lives in Japan, closer to the servers? I can say with a lot of confidence that all previous explanation attempts are incorrect.

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Originally Posted by OctaviusEvergreen

Why is everybody so blind to the fact that this person simply lives in Japan, closer to the servers? I can say with a lot of confidence that all previous explanation attempts are incorrect.

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My server is full of JP players and I don't notice this ever. It's just simple latency.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

My server is full of JP players and I don't notice this ever. It's just simple latency.

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I agree.

Many people like to believe that living in Japan gives an unfair advantage because of proximity to the servers.

But until the end of last year I lived in Tokyo, had a very fast fiber optic connection, and my computer is quite powerful. There were still lag and latency issues, and I also saw things like the OP described.

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Originally Posted by Mikita

I agree.

Many people like to believe that living in Japan gives an unfair advantage because of proximity to the servers.

But until the end of last year I lived in Tokyo, had a very fast fiber optic connection, and my computer is quite powerful. There were still lag and latency issues, and I also saw things like the OP described.

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I have a friend who I play with who happens to live in Japan. We did some latency testing to see if there were any noticeable latency issues between our locations (I live in Australia and have a great Internet connection).

1) Crafting test: we both spammed standard as fast as possible to see whether he could craft faster if we were only spamming enter. He could select his action so much faster than me that the animation wasn't even finished before he had selected the next standard.

2) Selecting a mining node: we both selected the node and ran as far away from it as possible before we were stopped to pull our tools out. I was able to run much farther from the node after selecting it than my Japanese friend was.

When I did the same tests with other NA players, their latency was very similar to what I experience, noticeably slower than the individual living in Japan. These very basic tests suggest that latency differences do exist based on proximity to the server. Over time, this significantly effects crafting and gathering speed and just about every other in game task. People playing outside Japan do have it tougher so here's to hoping the issue is lessened in 2.0. I'm no testing expert so take this for what it's worth.

I dont know why people keep claiming that living in japan wont give you much much better latency than living in NA, Australia, Germany, or whatever that is not in Japan. Do people not know what happens with connections from one country all the way across the globe to another does to your latency? Try connecting to A CS:S server in the states from the states, and a CS:S server in Argentina from the States. You will see a major ping difference, and probably get kicked for exceeding the server ping limit if it has one.

I asked A Japanese player in my LS what her S/R are at, and she told me 12 all the time. 12 all the time is much better than my erratic 40-200, tho battleping now makes it erratic 12-160. Never stays at 12 and definitely not with people around.

And yes, she can craft things a hell of a lot faster than me.

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Originally Posted by OctaviusEvergreen

I have a friend who I play with who happens to live in Japan. We did some latency testing to see if there were any noticeable latency issues between our locations (I live in Australia and have a great Internet connection).

1) Crafting test: we both spammed standard as fast as possible to see whether he could craft faster if we were only spamming enter. He could select his action so much faster than me that the animation wasn't even finished before he had selected the next standard.

2) Selecting a mining node: we both selected the node and ran as far away from it as possible before we were stopped to pull our tools out. I was able to run much farther from the node after selecting it than my Japanese friend was.

When I did the same tests with other NA players, their latency was very similar to what I experience, noticeably slower than the individual living in Japan. These very basic tests suggest that latency differences do exist based on proximity to the server. Over time, this significantly effects crafting and gathering speed and just about every other in game task. People playing outside Japan do have it tougher so here's to hoping the issue is lessened in 2.0. I'm no testing expert so take this for what it's worth.

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Okay. I agree that server proximity can make a difference, but it is not the be all/end all thing that some people make it out to be.

I don't know what your computer specs are, but they too make a difference.

For example, every once in a while I will log in with a second account's character that I use for storing seldom used items. For this I use a much less powerful computer, and comparing the 2 running side by side there are severe differences in responsiveness and "lag" even though the computers are in the same room.

Again, I am not saying that network latency does not exist. But to say that someone who is speed crafting is able to do so because they are in Japan is only part of the story. They still need some way of activating those actions very quickly.

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Originally Posted by Mikita

Okay. I agree that server proximity can make a difference, but it is not the be all/end all thing that some people make it out to be.

I don't know what your computer specs are, but they too make a difference.

For example, every once in a while I will log in with a second account's character that I use for storing seldom used items. For this I use a much less powerful computer, and comparing the 2 running side by side there are severe differences in responsiveness and "lag" even though the computers are in the same room.

Again, I am not saying that network latency does not exist. But to say that someone who is speed crafting is able to do so because they are in Japan is only part of the story. They still need some way of activating those actions very quickly.

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I can bet an arm and a leg that an enormous majority of NAs cannot craft so fast that animations don't play out, regardless of how decent their hardware and connection are. I don't understand why so many are denying that these issues have a significant impact on gameplay, its irrefutable.

I'm in the UK and on some rare occasions, I can craft fast enough that it doesn't finish the previous animation. *shrug* Also, timing seems to be key, because when I spam enter/clicks, it doesn't work as fast as when I try to time my clicks/enters for the right moment.

Doesn't always happen, but it can. I don't honestly care when crafting or mining, though... I care in battle, a little, but latency will always occur to some extent so I don't lose any sleep at all. :p

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Originally Posted by OctaviusEvergreen

I can bet an arm and a leg that an enormous majority of NAs cannot craft so fast that animations don't play out, regardless of how decent their hardware and connection are. I don't understand why so many are denying that these issues have a significant impact on gameplay, its irrefutable.

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I can attest to being able to craft faster than the animation and I'm east coast NA o.o
But then again I craft in solitude. So that may be a big issue. I really believe there is truth to both sides of the argument but I really think it also has to do with server load and how much your R/S is along side server proxy.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

I can attest to being able to craft faster than the animation and I'm east coast NA o.o
But then again I craft in solitude. So that may be a big issue. I really believe there is truth to both sides of the argument but I really think it also has to do with server load and how much your R/S is along side server proxy.

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It does matter if youre near people, tho not so much if you are in Japan. As I said, my JP friends R/s were always 12's, and that was around people in Uldah. I think it was specifically S that was 12 all the time, and that might be the more important number than R when it comes to UI/command responsiveness. For me now, even with battleping, my R/S is 50-200/40-60 in Uldah, and 10-15/44-48 in my inn room. It would be nice if R/S had a better explanation of what its numbers are standing for in relation to the Green/Yellow/Red latency indicator tho...

Geez
I don't remember a single time when I was synthing that I did not actually finish two or three action before the first animation played out, and I live in Brazil.
That said, i'm fairly sure my case is the polar opposite, the animation just takes two forevers to even start.