Thank You for Dawntrail

I wanted to make a post on the forums to just say I am very happy with patch 7.0. I truly think that Dawntrail is the best that FFXIV has been since I first played in 2013 and has taken my favorite expansion spot from Shadowbringers 5.0.

I've seen a lot of negativity under the official @FFXIV_EN Twitter posts, from some content creators, and on these forums. I'm not going to make a post going "THEY'RE WRONG" because just like my reasons for loving Dawntrail are okay, most of theirs for disliking it are too. People hating the voice actors or the characters they play or the locations because they're just a bigot holds no valid criticism though.

Viper and Pictomancer have been so fun to play to me! I am really enjoying the changes to Monk, Dragoon, Bard, and Black Mage as well. I'm planning on going into Arcadion Savage as MNK :) The dungeons are great. The Extreme trials are fun! The normal raids are amazing! I enjoyed the story of the Arcadion a lot, but the actual raids are fun to play. A big kudos to Soken and the sound team for the raid themes.

I am super excited for the 7.x patch content! I think the characters we were shown in this expansion are some of the best they've made in a long time. I love Wuk Lamat. I love Koana. I am very happy that Krile and Erenville were given more time in the spotlight. I'm excited to see what we do next. I didn't play FF11, but I can't wait for the alliance raid in 7.1. I enjoyed Aglaia in Endwalker, but the rest of the series was just boring to play through. Based on what we've gotten so far, I expect it to be great to go through weekly.

I only really have a few points from Dawntrail that were jarring, and I really don't like:

I don't think the sound team should not have used the song "Smile" 3 times. It's use in the quest "A Hot Commodity" (lvl 96) just took me out. Yes, they didn't play the entire version of Smile, and I think it was so beautiful as the end credits, but even hearing it the quest "Dawn of a New Tomorrow" (lvl 95) was weird to me.

Phase 2 of the level 100 trial was amazingly underwhelming. When I first did The Dying Gasp in Shadowbringers and we had to break free and make a final push to beat Hades before he used Black Cauldron: peak. When I first did The Final Day in Endwalker and that "Light the way!" cutscene came in I started crying (again). I understand that this was essentially between Wuk Lamat and Sphene, but it just felt like the party is just beating her up while they're having an argument.

This game means a lot to me, and I am happy that Dawntrail lived up to the hype. I am very much looking forward to what we get next. I know this hasn't been very constructive and just me being "I like this :)" but I really think a lot of things are moving in the right direction and I hope we see more improvements before 8.0. Thank you very much to the teams putting this all together for us.

https://img.upanh.tv/2024/07/28/MS0Y...O2HQBY-go.webp

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Originally Posted by BadFoxtrot

People hating the voice actors or the characters they play or the locations because they're just a bigot holds no valid criticism though.

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Man, it is feels great to be a bigot.

I like the new classes but I hate how Picto right now is a strictly better black mage: it has more utility, it has better damage, and it's *cough* easier to play. Not that I think a challenging class is bad, but there should be a reward for playing a difficult class right, I'm just saying.

Understand I say all this, still of the believe that Pictomancer fills a very important niche in the caster role. You basically had a not caster in SMN, an easy peasy sorta caster in RDM, and an unapologetic, brutally hard caster in BLM. Pictomancer fills a badly needed middle ground while also giving us another DPS focused caster (as opposed to one with Raise tax).

But BLM and PCT need its potencies retuned. Badly.

Nice one :3

I think it was good if you can separate FF9 the game from how it's referenced here.

Of course you can always find little things to nitpick, such as Wuk Lamat jumping off the balcony like it's a safe height or not using a megaphone/horn so that everyone could hear her, but endlessly nitpicking what they've worked hard on and put their hearts and souls into (literally in this case?) instead of just enjoying it... I mean, if people find it fun to not enjoy stuff for what is, then I guess that's up to them but I'd rather just focus on enjoying things.

I don't know which track that is but I did feel the use of tracks from other expansions wasn't good. Don't get me wrong, I can see the perspective that "they have all these old tracks and they should make use of them all". But keeping exclusively to tracks made for that expansion has always kept it fresh for me and they seem to have tried to use old tracks sometimes and it didn't always feel like it fit.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Wuk Lamat jumping off the balcony like it's a safe height .

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It's fine, she's not in combat, her HP will recover in a few seconds.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Wuk Lamat jumping off the balcony like it's a safe height or not using a megaphone/horn so that everyone could hear her

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There are waaaaay bigger problems than that.

Also--real talk, the jumping off a balcony isn't even a valid complaint. Plenty of other characters including the WoL have had their experiences with terminal velocity like it ain't no thing.

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Originally Posted by Basteala

Plenty of other characters including the WoL have had their experiences with terminal velocity like it ain't no thing.

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I don't like that we do it in dungeons sometimes either. But they could at least try. She's not a dragoon and having her swing on a rope or be caught by the people would be nice.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I don't like that we do it in dungeons sometimes either. But they could at least try. She's not a dragoon and having her swing on a rope or be caught by the people would be nice.

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Or even better, she break her legs and roll on the floor like the insufferable simpleton she is :3

You too can repel Wuk Lamat today:
- Add a batallion of untamed alpacas to your front lines.
- Or hire a group of low-life bandits to do the job.

It's cheaper and more effective than veteran warriors and an entire army of trained soldiers wearing technologically highly advanced gear.

Spare yourself the trouble AND the cost!

Thank you for Dawntrail! Where heroes and rulers die in front of an audience of skilled spectators, because it is an honorable thing to do in war.

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Originally Posted by Lak14

https://img.upanh.tv/2024/07/28/MS0Y...O2HQBY-go.webp

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Oop, you caught me. No one could ever just want to express joy, so this post definitely isn't just me saying "I like Dawntrail thanks guys"

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Originally Posted by Basteala

There are waaaaay bigger problems than that.

Also--real talk, the jumping off a balcony isn't even a valid complaint. Plenty of other characters including the WoL have had their experiences with terminal velocity like it ain't no thing.

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yea at the end of 5.3 allisae jumps off the top bit of mor'dhona that was even higher

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Originally Posted by Midare

Man, it is feels great to be a bigot.

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What's the point of this post? The sentence before says not liking things or having criticism is fine. But yes, if you hold bigoted opinions then... you are one?

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Originally Posted by BadFoxtrot

What's the point of this post? The sentence before says not liking things or having criticism is fine. But yes, if you hold bigoted opinions then... you are one?

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As much as yours really. You basically labeled bigots anyone who doesn't like anything about the xpac, so I'm just embracing the label.

Considering how often I see it thrown around when it doesn't apply, then I'll just roll with it.

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Originally Posted by Midare

As much as yours really. You basically labeled bigots anyone who doesn't like anything about the xpac, so I'm just embracing the label.

Considering how often I see it thrown around when it doesn't apply, then I'll just roll with it.

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Okay you're just being obtuse. Re-read that last post or the original, if you want.

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Originally Posted by BadFoxtrot

Oop, you caught me. No one could ever just want to express joy, so this post definitely isn't just me saying "I like Dawntrail thanks guys"

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Just going to pretend like you didn't label and insult anyone who didn't like it or doesn't agree with you? We call that being dishonest, hoss.

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Originally Posted by Palladiamors

Just going to pretend like you didn't label and insult anyone who didn't like it or doesn't agree with you? We call that being dishonest, hoss.

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Not really, you guys are just not having an actual argument beyond being negative towards what he is saying and since he now responded in kind, people here are reflecting. THAT is being dishonest.

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Originally Posted by Palladiamors

Just going to pretend like you didn't label and insult anyone who didn't like it or doesn't agree with you? We call that being dishonest, hoss.

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He didn't. It's not his fault you have reading comprehension problems or other issues you should look into.

@OP
Best story since 2013 really hits home for me as well.

Moreover, I wouldn't take twitter too seriously, just look at the trash who owns the most shares of it; the son of apartheid criminals, it's where the declining population community congregates now.

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Originally Posted by BadFoxtrot

Okay you're just being obtuse. Re-read that last post or the original, if you want.

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Uh-huh.
https://i.imgur.com/Fd0psPr.png

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Originally Posted by BadFoxtrot

I've seen a lot of negativity under the official @FFXIV_EN Twitter posts, from some content creators, and on these forums. I'm not going to make a post going "THEY'RE WRONG" because just like my reasons for loving Dawntrail are okay, most of theirs for disliking it are too. People hating the voice actors or the characters they play or the locations because they're just a bigot holds no valid criticism though

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Either you're changing the bar, or you simply are using words you think sound big without understanding them.

Either way, I reiterate: Man if feel great to be a bigot.

I give Dawntrail MSQ 7/10. Not great but it's enjoyable enough and justified resubbing to this wonderful game.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

such as Wuk Lamat jumping off the balcony like it's a safe height

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So, your party jumping off a huge cliff in Bardam's mettle or the Aery is fine but this isn't? :)

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Originally Posted by Yuella

I give Dawntrail MSQ 7/10. Not great but it's enjoyable enough and justified resubbing to this wonderful game.

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IMHO, the problem for both EW and DT is that they start off slow. Now, it's a nice storytelling technique to slowly build the story up to the culmination, but they may have went a bit overboard with it.
By contrast, the SHB MSQ straight hit you on the head like a truck with the world building and then went from there, which was also nice. And the problem with DT is that the last 2 zones are nowhere near as good as the last 2 zones of EW were.

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Originally Posted by TDawnstar

So, your party jumping off a huge cliff in Bardam's mettle or the Aery is fine but this isn't? :)

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I answered that in the post below it.

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And the problem with DT is that the last 2 zones are nowhere near as good as the last 2 zones of EW were.

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I would argue this is because Elpis had a backstory already carried over from other expansions (As half of Endwalker was, truth be told).
And still, it comes to personal preference. I wouldn't have enjoyed Elpis if it wasn't for Hermes and Venat's walk cutscene, same reason why I did not really care about Amaurot in ShB.
Now, Ultima Thule is very crippled by emotional irrelevance. The writers would NEVER allow the Scions to sacrifice themselves like that, each one of their deaths felt pointless as we knew they would be brought back. While it was pretty in the general consensus due the progress you make, it is still quite weak. And in particular, as you reach the Ea, the huge lot of 'Oh, we did this because we wanted to die' gets quite tiresome. It's cool, but it feels like a slog going over the same degree of dialogue 3x. The coolest part of those conversations is to learn about the origin of the races, but that is left in the initial dialogues of each civilization in Ultima Thule. The walk at the end and the music as you 'complete' the zone is fantastic, but overall it is a weak zone for the weight it should bring.
I felt like Heritage Found and Living Memory were darker and much heavier than the zones we had before, some people may argue it feels rushed, but the topics within were really fucked up and Living Memory stands as my favorite endgame zone given how bittersweet it is.

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Originally Posted by OMGJesuis66

I felt like Heritage Found and Living Memory were darker and much heavier than the zones we had before, some people may argue it feels rushed, but the topics within were really fucked up and Living Memory stands as my favorite endgame zone given how bittersweet it is.

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Don't get me wrong, I don't think Heritage and Living memory were bad. But Elpis was something else :3 And yes, I agree about Ultima and the Scions, that writing immediately felt cheesy, because you know full well FFXIV writers aren't GRR Martin and won't destroy their most important characters.

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Originally Posted by TDawnstar

IMHO, the problem for both EW and DT is that they start off slow. Now, it's a nice storytelling technique to slowly build the story up to the culmination, but they may have went a bit overboard with it.
By contrast, the SHB MSQ straight hit you on the head like a truck with the world building and then went from there, which was also nice. And the problem with DT is that the last 2 zones are nowhere near as good as the last 2 zones of EW were.

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I actually find Shadowbringers story boring at the beginning with the exception of Alisaie's path. Il Mheg is extremely dull because I never liked the Fae in any media. Raktika isn't that much better but at least we got Emet's bombshell. Shadowbringers story didn't really pick up until the trolley scene.

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Originally Posted by Yuella

I actually find Shadowbringers story boring at the beginning with the exception of Alisaie's path.

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That is subjective, of course, but the very first steps in SHB (before the MSQ splits) simply blew my mind. The arrival on the First was so well done.
But yes, I think that's why they went to the "start slow and build up" approach in EW and DT.