Too many Walls and Doors.

All this discussion about dungeon Difficulty, but one thing we should also talk about.

There are just too many Walls and Doors in the new Dungeons that prevents you from moving on.
Do we really need to be forced to do 1 pack of mobs at a time now?

Yeah, I'd like fewer walls myself. Tanks should have room to push their limits, it would also create an environment where tanks can take enough damage to justify healers, to that end let us pull into bosses again!

Perhaps it is to stop tanks from pulling 2-3 sets of add at a time. Healers may of balked at that on a regular basis. I know I stopped healing dungeons a few yrs back due to tanks pulling more than they could control and then I got swarmed with adds..But then, that was just me, 1 healer and my experience. I do hear lots of healer chatter tho :)

Ah, that is why I almost fell asleep when healing.

What I feel is not difficulty,

But boredom and burnout.

Dawntrail is definitely, a Downtrail.

yeah its bad for a lot of dungeons this expac. First one and last one comes to mind. Not to mention moronic stuff like the turtle in 99 dungeon

The amount of walls and doors is nothing new.... in fact, it's been in place since HW, it was just less obvious. The mistake that was made by the dev team this time around was simply trying to throw mini-bosses in the dungeons and then choosing to lock them to a small pack. Especially when the mechanics are simply to disengage until massive AoEs go out, or to make sure you're up to snuff on your own concept of personal mit or how to use Feint or Addle correctly while a pair of them spam a room-wide ground slam.

It feels slower because it is, but it hasn't changed for several expansions. I can think of several dungeons going clear back to HW that will lock you out of areas/rooms until you kill specific mobs to prevent over-pulling, and I fail to see why it's all of a sudden problematic.

Ya...lets not open the door for ego pulling.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Ya...lets not open the door for ego pulling.

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Lets remove the door instead. If idiots refuse to learn their limits that's on them. Two years ago when I was learning to play WHM, tanks knowing their limits and testing mine was an integral part of ARR and HW dungeons, they've removed that feature and I for one want it back.

Yeah way too many, sometimes it feels bad to use an CD as you know it wont be up on the next pack... and its so slow... im not even about being slow, double the dungeons lenth while letting me kill the mobs 2x as fast would still be more fun. But all those instances where we're literally forced to fight 3 mobs after a pack, just to stop us once more before or after the boss.

And dont even get me started on the stupid whale, snow mobile or raft now.... i just hate those "you cant even run" instances...

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Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers

Lets remove the door instead. If idiots refuse to learn their limits that's on them. Two years ago when I was learning to play WHM, tanks knowing their limits and testing mine was an integral part of ARR and HW dungeons, they've removed that feature and I for one want it back.

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They already refuse to learn removing the walls wont change anything other the make other players lives Hell. But if you like Hell and wiping more then clears. The walls impose a hard limit on how much a tank can pull, stops trigger happy go go minded dps and healers from pulling more mobs to the tank after they have reach their limit. I want to clear a dungeons not waste my time wiping and kicking morons.

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Originally Posted by Besame

Perhaps it is to stop tanks from pulling 2-3 sets of add at a time. Healers may of balked at that on a regular basis. I know I stopped healing dungeons a few yrs back due to tanks pulling more than they could control and then I got swarmed with adds..But then, that was just me, 1 healer and my experience. I do hear lots of healer chatter tho :)

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*Laughs in Bloodwhetting*

Forcing single add pulls helps them standardize the time to complete dungeons, and estimate subscription time revenue better.

They need to measure your money output, please wait.

It doesnt matter if i take 20 or 40 min for my daily dungeon, if i wanna grind i do em 24537x in row till levelcap, same for tome. if i do 1-2 daily i do 1-2 daily, either give us more mobs with less walls or just remove em and buff the mobs, idc...

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Originally Posted by Arohk

All this discussion about dungeon Difficulty, but one thing we should also talk about.

There are just too many Walls and Doors in the new Dungeons that prevents you from moving on.
Do we really need to be forced to do 1 pack of mobs at a time now?

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If you ask me, I think doors and stuff should disapear but mobs should hit the tank like trucks. Tanking dungeons became SUPER boring. Just get the 2 pulls, reach the "door/wall", spam your aoe 1-2-3 and your mitigations if tank, repeat for 2 pulls and boss. It's THE-EXACT-SAME-EVERY-DUNGEON. I know 99% of the players don't like this idea...but In some dungeons I think it would be cool if we needed to use skills like SLEEP (remember? Sleep? its still in your Magic DPS and Healer skills, crazy right?) or freezing at the spot like the Ice Jutsu of the NIN or that "leg shot" of the MCH. Just to give some...spice? Something extra to do to everybody?

I remember in the ARR days it was more common to use Sleep, Slow, stuns, freeze and stuff to prevent enemies to reach the party while dealing with a patrol...but everything evolved into "LET'S PULL THE WHOLE DUNGEON!!!!!"