What if they designed healers going forward as a support/tank role?
Seeing as how we generate the 2nd highest enmity it only seems right that we should be able to tank that and hold the party together until we can get the tank back up. This would help further separate healers from just casters, and help us to feel more like a middle ground between tank/caster or Support. In traditional RPGs, a dedicated healer class like Cleric and to a lesser degree Druid, were probably some of the tankiest non-fighter/barbarian classes as they had more hp than a wizard/sorcerer, and with better armor protection, and usually better saves. I could see an argument being made for that being the case in 14 if the design team implemented these changes.
Support Stance:
While in SS Healers receive 15% less damage, Healing Spells have a reduced casting time. Damage is reduced by 5%. Eminty Increase (less than tanks but higher than any DPS could generate given the same number of actions over time.)
Healer's Resolve:
HP Bonus based off of Piety perhaps? Like I said before Healers should be hardier than normal casters like Wizards or in this case black mage, etc etc, and by a hefty margin too. if DPS has 22k hp and the tank has 100k then the healer role should have 50k hp
This could be a stat buff that triggers when entering group content with a party like how limits don't appear until you have a party of 4 or more, the more people in the party the bigger the buff so that at 4 people parties healers have the above-mentioned hp buff.
Let's move away from having the same Role Actions as the DPS casters mostly.
We can keep things like Swiftcast, Surecast, and Lucid Dream, but Repose isn't exactly necessary I don't think.
New Role Action:
Why not have a new Role action that is an attack unique to healer types, that's like a big DPS spike button that has a reasonably long cooldown, perhaps say 2 minutes but the damage is chef's kiss, usable only when in the healer role in a party setup.
Miracle Strike: Strike at all your foes with the combined hopes and prayers of your allies Deal unaspected damage to All enemies within range of 25y and a radius of 5y, Potency 700, with a potency increase of +100 for each Ally above 4. So that in raids the damage goes up to. This gives healers another attack button they can use in their rotations and increases their DPS slightly to compensate for SS a bit.
Let's be more like this
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and Less like this
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Healer as the off tank...
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07-21-2024, 06:36 PMSelvokazHealer as the off tank...
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07-21-2024, 06:42 PMTunda
SE have to rework tanks and healers to do this kind of job
But I agree with you classic guardian job should exist in gfxiv -
07-21-2024, 07:00 PMSelvokaz
This is more like a rework for all healer jobs going forward, but thank you for your response, having any kind of input is better than none as maybe this thread will catch SE attention, and give them something to think about.
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07-21-2024, 07:14 PMwildvenonat
How are you generating second highest enmity? I'm usually at the bottom.
Losing Repose would be a huge blow in deep dungeons and adventuring forays. It's extremely useful.
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07-21-2024, 07:42 PMSelvokazI suppose Repose could be useful in select situations, but it's just that dps casters also have sleep, and it felt kind of samey, maybe if Blind was a replacement it could be added to Miracle Strike or better still if Miracle Strike added a random status effect Like Sleep, Blind or Paralysis.Quote:
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Healing usually generates a lot of enmity for me, and I try to keep a regen on a tank either just after a pull -
07-21-2024, 09:39 PMNero-Voidstailsactually it is true if a DPS doesn't DPS right the healer will be higher because healing generate way more aggro but if a DPS does it right you will never be above them unless you overhealQuote:
Originally Posted by wildvenonat
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07-21-2024, 09:44 PMSani2341Not Sure I'd put that as a goal for a Healer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Selvokaz
Though the WoL def. is already rather close to those. Sure WoLs not under an Oath of silence, but with how little we speak might as well be.
That said Followers of the God of Death and Sleep usualy don't make great Healers. -
07-21-2024, 10:06 PMSelvokazNot sure what you mean the topic is bout designing healer's going forward being more of an off-tank or 2ndary tank design wise, if the tank does go down they are there to hold the party together until they get the tank up, whether that means tanking a few blows without being near killed, or standing in for the tank until he gets his barring back is what I'm talking about, not sure what you're talking about.Quote:
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07-21-2024, 10:11 PMMagikazam
It would be kinda weird and have a couple issue rn imo. We already bring 2 tanks per encounter, one of them being the main tank and the other one being the off tank. Also we already have an issue of tank being near immortal in anything that ain't endgame contents, If now we also have healer who immortal it gonna screw that even more imo.
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07-21-2024, 10:12 PMSani2341You pulled up art of a Golgarith, an armed Priest of the God of Death and Sleep from DSA and went 'let's make healers more like that'. Meaning ultimately no healing, and all the murder and burials.Quote:
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07-21-2024, 10:16 PMSelvokazif the tank dies it may be that the dps has gained top enmity because the healer isn't healing anymore, from my experience if the tank dies while I'm dpsing and before I could drop a heal on them or while I was in the processing of healing them with a gcd heal, then it makes sense that the dps gained enmity because I'm not beating them in damage vs damage, but let's say the tank instead dropped tank stance while I was healing them, I'd pull aggro way faster than either tank or dps because that's how enmity works.Quote:
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07-21-2024, 10:19 PMSelvokazif you came into the topic and immediately looked at the pretty pictures then I guess you could get to that conclusion, but then you'd be doing yourself a disservice because everyone else before kind of got the jest of what was actually being compared between the two images, Sturdy blonde woman, vs fragile clothe wearing woman who'd be knocked over by a strong wind.Quote:
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07-21-2024, 11:12 PMConnor
Aren’t you literally describing Paladin?
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07-22-2024, 10:08 AMSelvokazAbsolutely not, and paladin doesn't even come close to it. This isn't a melee redesign, this isn't a be crappy healer redesign, this isn't even a wear-heavy armor redesign, it's simply put an upgrade to the healer experience. Healer is the only role right now that isn't double deeping into either of the other two roles, though the other two roles have heavily dipped into healing.Quote:
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