I am not alone in being disappointed at the current state of SMN. SMN got basically no new gameplay adjustments this expansion; in addition to this, we got another new Bahamut and s till don't have access to classic summons like Shiva, Titan or Leviathan.
I think that the developers can add these new summons to at least make the job visually different than it was without making any major gameplay changes. It's just a ban-aid over a bigger issue, but at least it would make the job LOOK less bland.
MY IDEA FOR NEW SUMMONER (visual only, gameplay is essentially the same):
Rotation 1: starts with Bahamut
Then: Garuda/Ifrit/Titan (any order)
Rotation 2: starts with Phoenix
then, in any order: Leviathan (plays like Garuda) /Ramuh (plays like Ifrit) /Shiva (plays like Titan)
Finisher: Odin (instead of Solar Bahamut, because that is ugly and no one likes it)
After that, the rotation starts over again with Rotation 1 (Bahamut).
This increases the amount of unique summons we have from the 5 we currently have (Garuda/Ifrit/Titan/Bahamut/Phoenix) to 9 (Garuda/Ifrit/Titan/Bahamut/Phoenix/Leviathan/Ramuh/Shiva/Odin)
Then, just to spice it up even more, change the LB3 to be Alexander to give us a TENTH summon.
Right now 3 of our summons are things we've had for 10 years, Bahamut we've had for 6-8 and Phoenix we've had for 4-6. We currently have THREE forms of Bahamut. Is this "Summoner" or "Bahamut Tamer"? Because it's feeling more like the latter.
Again, I recognize that this is essentially just a cosmetic change; but at least it's something. I remember before Heavensward came out I was so excited to finally get to summon my favorite summon of all time (Leviathan) only to be sitting here 8 years later still not having access to him. I remember pre-EW, seeing the new SMN and thinking this new start for the job would open so many doors to getting other summons. But here we are, with the same summons as always.
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07-08-2024, 04:20 AMOvernightSirenIdea for SMN variance -- double our unique summons, with no changes to gameplay.
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07-09-2024, 05:55 AMOvernightSiren
I hope a dev sees this! They could even sell the abilities as glam packs in the mogstation!
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07-09-2024, 06:01 AMDaralii
People have been asking for the other "core" primals since HW at least. They decided instead to triple down on Bahamut, and I'm fully expecting the 110 skill to just be Phoinix from P3.
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07-22-2024, 10:21 PMOvernightSirenI just think maybe we, as players, aren't making enough noise then! Clearly it's on their radar since they teased us with the concept of egi-glam (even though that went nowhere in the end).Quote:
Originally Posted by Daralii
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07-22-2024, 10:24 PMConnor
Maybe in 3 years when the next expansion comes out they give Summoner something actually new and interesting. Can’t wait *bangs head against wall*
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07-22-2024, 11:19 PMRaideDuku
I'd do Alexander instead of Odin. Alexander appears (briefly, in post credits) in the MSQ. You never have to face Odin. Baha Blast and Mega Ultra Chicken blasted their aether all over Eorzea which is why you can summon them. Just can say the same for Alex when he was summoned. Odin is just a lame sword made by a better primal.
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07-22-2024, 11:22 PMOvernightSirenI don't think appearing in MSQ is necessarily a requirement. Solar Bahamut doesn't appear in the MSQ and neither does Phoenix. Odin is a really iconic Final Fantasy summon and using him as the combo finisher leaves Alexander as an option for a really cinematic LB3.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaideDuku
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07-23-2024, 12:31 AMKhryseis_AstraSolar Bahamut is just a spoiler-free stand-in for a primal who becomes very prominent in the MSQ. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by OvernightSiren
As I’ve said in other threads in the DPS role forum, I can see where they might be going with it (and where I’d like it to go)… but only if we get Levi, Shiva, & Ramuh. Otherwise it doesn’t really make sense. And honestly even Solar could have been an upgrade instead of a separate summon. But the way they did it, I think it’s leading to 4 Demis and (hopefully!) 6 gem summons total. -
07-23-2024, 12:35 AMGrizzlyTankFunny how the spell animations from bahamut 2 looks like something that could come from Titania.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daralii
Also would probably swap Shiva with Ramuh. Don't see the old guy sliding across the map. -
07-23-2024, 02:36 AMRaikai
The best route, in my opinion for 8.0 changes:
- Make Solar Bahamut an upgrade from Demi Bahamut at level 100, and doing so also changing the gameplay during the Trance window. I won't tinker with this because there's literally a vast array of approaches that is not a the same gcd with 2 ogcds to weave between. Phoenix stays as is.
- The next capstone is the 3 new gemstones with a distinct rotation from the previous ones, and then there's the "new feature", which is a job specific interface, similar to the Blue Mage spellbook, where you can arrange an elemental wheel with the gemstones and the demis before combat.
- Physick scales with INT and becomes Lux Solaris when you activate Solar Bahamut.
- Energy Drain and Necrotize reworked to something that is more integrated into the rest of your kit. -
07-23-2024, 02:49 AMCVXIV
but where does Neo Bahamut and Bahamut ZERO fit in to the equation
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07-23-2024, 03:03 AMHypnotic13371337
Bismarck/Ravana/Zurvan or something PLEASE
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07-23-2024, 03:22 AMConnorGod, please don’t give them ideas lolQuote:
Originally Posted by CVXIV
8.0 Egi update confirmed. Ifrit, Garuda, Titan are now Bahamut Zero, Neo Bahamut, and Bahamut Sin (that one from advent children lol couldn’t think of a third). New demi added - Lunar Bahamut -
07-23-2024, 03:51 AMMaxilor
People were begging them to add Leviabeetus, Ramuh, and Shiva for the entirety of Endwalker and they ignored it and just gave us another flavor of Bahamut.
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07-23-2024, 06:01 AMRekh
Been playing dawntrail for 4 weeks now and I've only seen 1 or 2 people on summoner. Literally no one's playing this job; it's dead until the next expansion unless they miracalously give smn a summon glamour system. This is what happens when square enix is out of touch with its customers, they make decisions for themselves and their "data."
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07-23-2024, 06:12 AMDaraliiIf Ravana shouted his lines whenever he was summoned, I'd switch mains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypnotic13371337
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07-23-2024, 06:13 AMMaxilorI agree. People were giving them the answer, but it was either ignored or they saw it and went "Eh, too much work...how about we give Bahamut a recolor and call it a day?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Rekh
It doesn't inspire confidence. -
07-23-2024, 06:33 AMSongOfTheWindI think it’s time we become Bahamut and complete the cycleQuote:
Originally Posted by Connor
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07-23-2024, 06:37 AMConnorI mean, it happened with Scholar. First we summoned the fairy, then we ate the fairy, then we temporarily traded her in for the new model, then finally now we are theQuote:
Originally Posted by SongOfTheWind
angelfairy. Would not surprise me if they copy+paste the same for Summoner. Bahamutism anyone? (Sounds like a medical condition) -
07-23-2024, 07:09 AMCVXIVOops all BahamutsQuote:
Originally Posted by Connor
Demi-Bahamut allows you to use Neo Bahamut, Bahamut ZERO, and Bahamut Sin
Phoenix changed to Solar Bahamut to start the process all over again
Jokes aside I do think it would be fun to see new summons, and what was suggested here originally is a great way to do that I think. Having the original three fall under demi-bahamut and a new set of primals being under demi-phoenix would be a great step forward.
I know elemental properties don't matter for damage, but it'd be nice to see variety so we could have Shiva (Ice), Ramuh (Lightning), and Leviathan (Water) to fill out all six aspects of aether -
07-23-2024, 09:43 AMBoblawblahWell, you didn't have me in the first post, and you REALLY didn't have me in the 2nd post. That's...a terrible idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by OvernightSiren
You, pretty cat boy, get this gif:
https://media1.tenor.com/m/R6LaPVpPw...p-slapping.gif -
07-24-2024, 01:57 AMOvernightSirenWorst still, this is feedback they've had for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxilor
Pre-Heavensward I considered switching to SMN because Leviathan is my favorite summon. Then I saw in the job action trailer for HW that they weren't getting a Leviathan egi and now 8 years later we're still in the same spot.
Solar Bahamut is also, frankly, kind of ugly to me. It looks kind of malnourished and actually (to me) looks *less* powerful than Demi Bahamut. -
07-24-2024, 02:00 AMOvernightSirenI'm just being realistic! HahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Boblawblah
After seeing the Shadow Wolf mount become a Mogstation item (when it's very apparent to me that it was originally meant to be the reward for BLU completing Omega/Eden synced, before they instead decided to give virtually no reward for that feat at all) I feel like they have no shame in putting things on the Mogstation that should be in-game obtainables.