Viper feedback census.

Having read this you agree you at least understand the basic fundamentals of what it is to play this job. I'm going to ask you a simple question. To simplify feedback to understand that is even more simple than this job to play.

Do you want to see this job changed right now in any form as of this moment. Yes or No.

My answer, is a resounding NO.

Feel free to give a reason, but its not needed this is just for a census.

NO CHANGES

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Originally Posted by Gugnir

Having read this you agree you at least understand the basic fundamentals of what it is to play this job. I'm going to ask you a simple question. To simplify feedback to understand that is even more simple than this job to play.

Do you want to see this job changed right now in any form as of this moment. Yes or No.

My answer, is a resounding NO.

Feel free to give a reason, but its not needed this is just for a census.

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Just reading around, including outsidd forums, will answer the census. It's a pretty unanimous no. Even on JP people are speaking out against changing it.

Absolutely NO!!!

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Originally Posted by Zairava

Just reading around, including outsidd forums, will answer the census. It's a pretty unanimous no. Even on JP people are speaking out against changing it.

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Yeah very true. I'm well aware of that, and the more threads full of people saying no the better.

No! It's perfect the way it is!

No changes Its Perfect the way it is

The devs aren't going to read this, play something else if you don't like what they're doing?

NO!

most fun job since stormblood.

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Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya

The devs aren't going to read this, play something else if you don't like what they're doing?

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You are obviously trolling.

Literally the only change or addition I want is a backdash action.

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Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya

The devs aren't going to read this, play something else if you don't like what they're doing?

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what else am I supposed to play? Viper was the job I chose when I wanted to play something else bc they obliterated the playstyle of my original main. I was drawn to it bc it was busy and fast while still being simple, and now they're changing that for no reason... Why is the job not being designed for the people who liked it as it was, instead of the people who don't?

Viper is amazing right now and should be as busy as it is right now. That is the whole purpose of the job's design.

No changes needed. Viper is the most fun job I have played in years in FF14. We need more jobs like Viper not less.

Absolutely not.

If they want to make any changes, it should address the Viper UI gauge and using it to indicate which positional is needed instead of removing them entirely.

no changes, viper is fun because it's busy

DEFINITELY NO.

NO! I do not want any changes.

After many years of maining Dragoon, I decided to finally move away from it after being dissatisfied with the recent changes. I was so happy to find such a fun job in Viper instead! The positionals are a big part of what makes Viper fun. Please do not change the job, especially so soon after release.

Regardless of what is wrote here, and regardless of how many people show they against these changes to Viper, they will still move forward with them. We have seen this situation a dozen times, and it never works in our favour.

Deciding these changes not even a week from launch is laughable, and it shows how little thought goes into decisions like this.

People need to understand that some jobs might not be for them, and if they really love the idea of the job, they need to be willing to put the effort into learning it rather than asking for changes that just aren't needed. Viper isn't a difficult job, but as it is right now, it's fun and if issues do arise with the job within savage, these changes should be discussed then. Not before.

I love the job as it is, and I really don't want to see it gutted. I can only hope they listen to our feedback, but been burnt by that one too many times to believe they'll even be reading it.

For the love of everything, please no

No, do not change it

I had to make my forum account proper to contribute to this: absolutely no.

At most, I wouldn't be against a defensive ability at some point in the future. But the actual kit and how it plays? DO NOT CHANGE IT.

MY answer is NO. Keep it as is. It's super fun to play right now.

We can only do this so many times until we're pidgeon-holed into 1 to 2 options.

Def No changes

DO NOT change VIper, it is perfect the way it is... I beg you Square.

Please square this is the first melee job since stormblood that I liked between the positionals and debuff it flows better than mnk to me just leave it alone.

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Originally Posted by Miqutie

Regardless of what is wrote here, and regardless of how many people show they against these changes to Viper, they will still move forward with them. We have seen this situation a dozen times, and it never works in our favour.

Deciding these changes not even a week from launch is laughable, and it shows how little thought goes into decisions like this.

People need to understand that some jobs might not be for them, and if they really love the idea of the job, they need to be willing to put the effort into learning it rather than asking for changes that just aren't needed. Viper isn't a difficult job, but as it is right now, it's fun and if issues do arise with the job within savage, these changes should be discussed then. Not before.

I love the job as it is, and I really don't want to see it gutted. I can only hope they listen to our feedback, but been burnt by that one too many times to believe they'll even be reading it.

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Wrong. Square Enix is a business and like it or not it's player base are its customers. A lot of games do not last because they are out of touch with their player base. Unless we as a collective voice let them know our grievances, then nothing will change. They won't be able to give us a product we want to consume on a monthly basis. We are going through the proper channels. They set up these forums exactly for such a reason.

PLEASE DON'T MAKE IT LESS BUSY!!!! THE AMOUNT OF BUSYNESS IS GREAT RIGHT NOW, I'M HAVING A TON OF FUN ON IT

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Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya

The devs aren't going to read this, play something else if you don't like what they're doing?

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If you dont like, or arent good enough, to play Viper as is, play something else

Editing to also say DO NOT CHANGE VIPER

No changes.

No. Viper is fine.

If we type no in Japanese they might listen! いいえ いいえ いいえ いいえ

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Originally Posted by Gugnir

Wrong. Square Enix is a business and like it or not it's player base are its customers. A lot of games do not last because they are out of touch with their player base. Unless we as a collective voice let them know our grievances, then nothing will change. They won't be able to give us a product we want to consume on a monthly basis. We are going through the proper channels. They set up these forums exactly for such a reason.

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I really hope you're right. I want to be proved wrong, but there's so many times the community has voiced their opinion and been ignored, especially when it comes to job changes. I'll protest these changes to Viper alongside everyone else. I'm not saying we shouldn't voice our opinion, we have the forums for that very reason. All I'm saying is that their track record for listening to player feedback towards jobs isn't great.

No

I haven't even logged into this forum account in years but I had to for this. I've actually been having a lot of fun with it and am not sure where the inspiration for these changes this early into the expac is even coming from. It's a ton of fun as-is. No changes needed.

NO changes. Hell, if anything, give it something for damage mitigation and lower the lv requirements of some actions otherwise at lv 50 it feels hella weird.

I was really hyped to play this job But I'm just really really bad at it (meele was never something I got along with well).

But even I think they shouldnt do this changes.
The Job should stay like this for people who like it the way it plays now.

So a "No" to the changes from my side too.

This made me reactivate my forum account for the first time since Heavensward just to pitch in and say, please, please, leave Viper alone. After 6 straight years of dumbing down every job in this game SE finally released a new one that feels really good; if anything, it's still a little too simple for my taste but it's the most fun I've had since my old main was taken from me.

If there's someone who thinks Viper is "too hard", they have 19 other combat jobs to choose from. I have 0.

I am hoping that they change their mind and don't change Viper as I currently really enjoy it as it is now at max level with the upkeep of buffs and debuffs along with a lot of oGCDs.

I made my own thread as well explaining my specific grievances with the changes in hopes that, if they see specific examples of why their changes are undesirable, the developers will listen. I will link to that thread to resummarize my thoughts rather than type them all out again here.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...50#post6516450

To say it quickly, I believe there should be no changes. However, to everyone speaking for no changes, I implore you to explain why you like Viper the way it is. The developers need to know what specifically you are enjoying so they know specifically what not to change.

Thank you all for fighting the good fight.