July 4 Job Changes Post

Post by devs regarding upcoming Job Changes in 7.01 and 7.05:

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...6321a515d36909

It's good to hear that developers listen

I know it is 1% of what I want but at least they are listening

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Originally Posted by Tunda

It's good to hear that developers listen

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It would be better if they would listen to the actual players who are near unanimously telling them to leave viper alone.

I'll just leave this here. Viper is the most played job right now and does not need changes.

https://i.postimg.cc/MKD4bWJ5/Pls-no-simplification.png

leave viper alone.

How about...uh...making healing fun?

No? Maybe?

I don't see "add 1200 MP to DRK because we didn't intend Dark Knight to be harder to play" on there. But the added enmity to the movement skill will help give back the utility it lost.

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Originally Posted by Astronis

I don't see "add 1200 MP to DRK because we didn't intend Dark Knight to be harder to play" on there. But the added enmity to the movement skill will help give back the utility it lost.

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Dark Knight doesn't have enough players to get attention from the devs.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

How about...uh...making healing fun?

No? Maybe?

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I have fun when my party/raid is real bad and eats half the mechanics. Maybe make every other job's screen occasionally go blank during telegraphs.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

How about...uh...making healing fun?

No? Maybe?

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Healing is already fun. You might not like it though.

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Originally Posted by Tunda

It's good to hear that developers listen

I know it is 1% of what I want but at least they are listening

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They're only listening to JP and not us, as is evidenced by the whole world telling them to get the fuck off viper and leave it alone. Yet they still plan "several" changes related to "busyness".

Did JP complain that they had to press too many buttons ?

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Healing is already fun. You might not like it though.

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11111111111111, so much fun indeed, must be new.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

How about...uh...making healing fun?

No? Maybe?

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Best they can do is add another Glare/Broil/Malefic/Dosis rank at 110.

Well here's hoping the cd reduction on the new draw is signifikant enough to let us have more cards to use. Not just a handfull of Seconds to help not drift it as easily.

Only thing I would personally like right now for Viper is to have a combo-flowchart in the Actions menu so it's easier for people to see how the two paths work and changes.

And also an option for the awakened skills to have something similar to GNB's fang/claw/talon combo instead of being placed all over the hotbar. An option so you can keep the current, but also the single button.


Also, isn't this the fastest we've gotten info on job changes? Expansion hasn't even been out a week and they're already making changes to a lot of jobs. Don't recall this from the other expansions besides perhaps a potency adjustment.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Dark Knight doesn't have enough players to get attention from the devs.

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DRK and GNB combined have enough players that they made enough noise for the devs to hear they needed to return utility to our gap closers. So I can hold out a bit of hope they'll hear us when we say they need to undo the MP generation error that makes DRKs harder to play.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

How about...uh...making healing fun?

No? Maybe?

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AST mentioned!

https://i.imgur.com/Sy85Vv1.gif

Who the hell are those people complaining about Viper less than a week after release? The job is fine, it needs a bit of thought put into it, but the business is what is attractive to it. How come Square are so quick to change it, do they not have faith in their product?

The consideration to Viper changes, a newly released job, worries me a bit of what they'll consider good enough when the 8.0 job improvements come.

Changes to lightspeed for ast are welcome, curious about reduction to cards they mentioned. Could make the lightspeed changes a moot point. Excited to see BLM buffs as well as umbral soul available earlier.

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Originally Posted by Kisshu

Also, isn't this the fastest we've gotten info on job changes? Expansion hasn't even been out a week and they're already making changes to a lot of jobs. Don't recall this from the other expansions besides perhaps a potency adjustment.

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People playing new viper job? check
people enjoying new viper job? check

enjoyment not allowed, must "fix" viper immediately. overtime authorized to come up with and implement change!

Viper is busy but simple to pick up and learn. I don't see why anything needs to be adjusted.

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Originally Posted by Teno

11111111111111, so much fun indeed, must be new.

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I press more than 1. Sounds like a skill issue on your end.

I don't even know what they mean by "busyness" for viper. The ogcds? The basic combos? generation & legacy?

I don't think its smart to change viper this early, its not even 1 full month of feedback from the total playerbase. As this might result in a type of homogenization that makes the job feel worse. Especially when they have stated for 8.0 they are going to undo homogenization. Which based on my recollection of what jobs used to be from heavensward and stormblood, they were more complex and could be considered "busy".

Good to see they're more interactive and quicker with updates to the jobs/the game in general. Those 4 months of no changes are very painful for a live service with monthly bills.

Gimme back plunge!

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

Gimme back plunge!

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Might join the SAMs for Kaiten :')

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Originally Posted by Chasingstars

I don't even know what they mean by "busyness" for viper. The ogcds? The basic combos? generation & legacy?

I don't think its smart to change viper this early, its not even 1 full month of feedback from the total playerbase.

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It's not even a full week!

Seriously? Damn, I haven't even unlocked viper yet! Who the heck wanted changes to it this early?

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

Gimme back plunge!

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DRK, GNB, and DRG will gracefully glide along the floor together.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

DRK, GNB, and DRG will gracefully glide along the floor together.

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At least with GNB, it feels a bit more natural with their stance. Honestly, I prefer it over doing a flip. They should have left Plunge alone though.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Might join the SAMs for Kaiten :')

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Kaited didn't get an inferior replacement though!

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

I press more than 1. Sounds like a skill issue on your end.

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Give us a reason to press more than 11111111. That doesn’t include fishing for a meme-y 24-man party where everyone dies right and left, and eats all the pretty orange circles, just so I’m clear.

Despite some of the dungeons requiring me to use more Rapture casts, I’m still pressing Glare 90% of the time. I don’t know how anyone could say this is fun design, personally. Haven’t gotten a healer to 100 yet to try out the EXs. But their healing requirements will go down the better geared everyone gets. So any enjoyment of having to actually heal will be short-lived. As has been the case for years.



At least Lightspeed is getting charges. ASTs have only been asking about this since Shadowbringers—better late than never, I guess? Doesn’t change the cards being dull and even more of a shell of their former selves, but I guess I can’t really ask for much when it comes to healers in this game…

“easing of directional requirements” it is Not that hard to hit the positionals come on

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

People playing new viper job? check
people enjoying new viper job? check

enjoyment not allowed, must "fix" viper immediately. overtime authorized to come up with and implement change!

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I admit, whenever people find jobs 'fun' usually results in being overpowered most of the time, or something broke that it worked with a most simple rotation but still has enough DPS to boot (remembering Dragon Kick spam).

I remain curious what they exactly are changing before giving an opinion.