Items where the 2nd dye channel needs an adjustment.

We were all excited for the 2nd dye channel, and for the most part it delivered. But, there are several items where the 2nd channel doesn't seem to make sense. Like the tiniest detail is what dyes, not a different aspect of the item.

Two of the biggest ones I've noticed are the Adventuring Sweater; the scarf doesn't dye, only a tiny tassel on the scarf. And the Tonberry body. A lot of people were waiting for the 2nd dye channel, so they could get the head and the tail to match colors. Sadly, that isn't the case, the strap of the lamp dyes. Not the worst thing, but people wanted to dye the tail so bad.

Are there any other pieces that we should as SE to try and change, to better suit the 2nd channel.

I just wanted to say I support this topic because I'm tired of the 2nd dye option for the metal parts, buttons, or tiny fabric design lines on my pants.

The fireglass leather jacket is questionable in its second dye. Why would I want to dye the little pouch and not the undershirt? Or the collegiate shirt's second dye being ONLY the tie... ???

It feels to me that every gear piece has 15 dye channels. The first one is the primary color, but the rest are unsorted.
So sometimes the 2nd channel is the color of a zipper, sometimes a scarf, sometimes a button- and SE went "let's make the 2nd also dyeable" without checking what the hell was being dyed. Because some of these 2nd colors are plain ridiculous.
A button? A zipper? A gem? Really?
If they fix this, the system has potential, but it was released in a very questionable state.

For majority of the old items they added the second dye channel to, it appears they only added it to parts that weren't dyed originally. Prior to DT, dyeable gear would have more than one part get dyed but those areas would be adjusted to appear lighter or darker. I guess they didn't want to change that and possibly upset people that prefer how it originally dyed so the second dye only new parts.

I would of preferred if they made more meaningful changes. A lot of old gear looks so bad when dyed because of the lighter/darker shades, it would of been nice if that was changed.

Its hilarious seeing them add a second dye channel and a bunch of the items just let you dye like a 2 inch piece of cloth on it instead of the rest of the outfit.

Already made a thread about this, but the Bastion Coat (lv100 GNB AF)'s second dye channel not affecting the red accents comes off as incredibly lazy and severely limits what can be done with the piece.

It feels to me like they only wanted to add dyability to pieces, rather than altering what already dyes and leaving it overall as dyable as it was before. Something like the Hannish Wool Autmn Shirt, I was expecting the corset to be dyable separately on channel 2, while the shirt remained channel 1. But, instead, channel 1 remains as it is, and instead we can dye... the ribbons?

The Fat Cat Loungewear only dying some little toggles, the Southern Seas Skirt dying the button and stitching rather than making the belt a separate channel. The Roegadyn Bodice, I would have loved the shirt to be the second channel so I could leave it white.

Some of them are great, don't get me wrong. But some... It feels like whoever was behind them was just told "idk just add something" so they focused on the "add" part and didn't actually stop to consider what the players might want the second channel to be.

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Originally Posted by Galvuu

It feels to me that every gear piece has 15 dye channels. The first one is the primary color, but the rest are unsorted.
So sometimes the 2nd channel is the color of a zipper, sometimes a scarf, sometimes a button

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This is literally true, almost. There's 16 color channels and any number of them can have the dye applied to them, and now there's a possibility for a second dye to apply to some of the color channels.

They did say that some items with two dye slots would still have much of the clothing undyeable due to the specific material used, however. The color channels aren't used for the entirety of the gear piece and there will often just be straight up colored textures for complex materials.

Person above me beat me to it, ignore meee

As a lover of glamour, this is one of the features I've been waiting for and... Still, it's not great at the moment...

You can only dye the 2nd color on Gear Jobs and cashop outfits, and a small part of craftable cosmetic outfits.

And on some outfits, the 2nd color is almost invisible: on the Magitek Attire, it's the inner lining of the jacket and the hood. On others, it's the front bow and the inner layer when you like to wear a hakama for the lower part on Eastern Lady Errant's Attire (coat). Some outfits aren't very dyeable, like... It's just the shoulder bag... Line on Far Eastern Maiden's Attire.

Meh...

I'm waiting to see what it'll look like for Raid sets and other stuff in the future. In the end, the best feature added that I wasn't expecting is the ability to mask people around quest locations.

On some it looks good, like: Mheg Deaca Attire (dress) or Peacock Attire (dress)

It's just a gadget for now...


Wait & See :S

I want to say that the devs should be free to "break the game" if they're gonna make improvements like the two dye system.


For example, the "Adventuring Sweater", in the old days, you would dye it and it would give a color to both the sweather and the scarf. But now that they added a second channel, what it should do is to give a color to the sweater and another to the scarf. But because they didn't want to break how the dye worked before, now it doesn't behave as people expect it to behave. The second dye is useless as a fish bycicle on that piece.


They should have broken how that dye worked on that piece to make it better. The complaints from that would have been minimal, at most.


Here's how it could have been done to minimize complaints: when changing a piece like that from 1 dye to 2 dyes, just make the proper change (split the sweater and the scarf in different channels) and instead of only preserving the first dye and left the second empty, just put the same dye on the two slots to make it look close to what it did look before and let the player sort it out later.

I'm pretty devastated to see that all the older White Mage AF gear that had the distinctive red detailing turn into weird pukey gray bits when it gets dyed STILL has the exact same issue and instead has some random small part as the second dye channel. And the Eastern Lord's Togi has a BELT of all things as the second dye channel, instead of the blue underskirt and trim, which still dyes a nasty unwanted shade of the first channel dye?

All I see is a continuation of the original poor dye choices; WHY do parts of the item that are completely different colors undyed become different shades of the same color when dyed?

Certain locations for what id dyable feels like a monkeys paw... So let's better yet ask for a 3rd and 4th slot!

It really seems so random what the 2nd dye channel will apply to, and in many cases, it’s not the obvious thing you would want it to be.

I really do appreciate just how many things were already available with double dyes on early access day, but I do hope they’ll go back at some point and look at the individual pieces to see what makes sense for the second channel.

The appointed jacket disappointed me immensely. All the second dye does is, dye the upper part of the vest and only on one side. Please, just make it so the undershirt doesn't change with the primary dye and have it change with the secondary, that would be better.

The Educand's set is an absolute embarrasment in this regard. You look at these pieces and it's obvious that the first dye channel should be the top and the second the scarf. Likewise for the legs, dye channel 1 should be the skirt and 2 should be the leggings.

Instead dye channel 2 on the top is just a tiny bit of trim on the scarf, not the whole thing. And on the skirt it's just a button. I can only assume that for older gear it wasn't possible to separate out stuff that was already dyable from channel 1 and make it a separate channel (or at least it was too much work to do so).

Welp, this is my first time in here.
I know...there's so much potential on the glamour in FFXIV but most of the time players adjust and try to make the best with what game can offer.

However, I'm also aware that error/mistakes can occur if dev team is working hard to deliver things but will they going to bother now if they failed on something?
Does it worth try contact them for this "possible errors" and hope that I be somehow helpful to them to update in a patch?

To give an image to my disappointment:
Chest piece:- Snow Cotton Tunic of Scouting - Lvl90 ilvl 645 - 2 dyes channel opened - Dawntrail release.
There's a green part on this chest that is not linked with any dye (which I assume the right one to be applied in there is the Dye 1 slot).
It makes looks weird specially because doesn't follow the pallette parttern they apply to the undyeable parts.


At the moment, I hope they can improve and make 2 dye channels a better experience and not going curse this as a failure. Maybe just need hear player suggestions?
Pretty sure, this will give them even more opportunities to RESKIN same gear concepts.

Note: Yes, this "new" gear is the Ala Mhigan Tunic of Scouting - Lvl70 ilvl370 - 1 dye channel.

From what I can tell, hardly any of the older gear had their original dye layer changed to fit the new dye channel. So yeah they lazily choose parts of the clothing that the 1st dye didnt already effect in some way rather than edit it to fit the 2nd dye better... Im at least hoping now that they have the tech, newer model gear should at least some better dyeable options... well see...

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Originally Posted by Alenonimo

I want to say that the devs should be free to "break the game" if they're gonna make improvements like the two dye system.


For example, the "Adventuring Sweater", in the old days, you would dye it and it would give a color to both the sweather and the scarf. But now that they added a second channel, what it should do is to give a color to the sweater and another to the scarf. But because they didn't want to break how the dye worked before, now it doesn't behave as people expect it to behave. The second dye is useless as a fish bycicle on that piece.


They should have broken how that dye worked on that piece to make it better. The complaints from that would have been minimal, at most.


Here's how it could have been done to minimize complaints: when changing a piece like that from 1 dye to 2 dyes, just make the proper change (split the sweater and the scarf in different channels) and instead of only preserving the first dye and left the second empty, just put the same dye on the two slots to make it look close to what it did look before and let the player sort it out later.

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And more specifically. They should have broken and gone fully ham on it. Not giving two dye slots, but more depending on the piece. Their insistence on not breaking stuff have also shown that there are even more layers to this that they could have used.

It's not even consistent for set pieces lol, thavnairian tights & sandals-tights you dye the underwear and the metal rings at the top of the thigh, can't dye the crisscross, it's stuck being boring brown. The sandals dye the soles+metal bits and the second dyes the crisscrosses /headdesk.

Got the Vanguard striking set. And the 2nd dye slot on the pants does... nothing. However the 2nd on the scouting variants the dye slots dyes a velcro...

Not the colored seams that matches the secondary color for the top, only a velcro, meaning that you effectievly only got one dye-slot on that piece.

This 2nd dye slot feels like a monkeys pawn.

You'd think the 2nd dye channel would let you dye the black parts, but nope it's the little tassel...

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I was under the impression that the 2nd dye was made more appropriate for new DT gear first, and that older gear would catch up to what they wanted at a later date.

Can anyone confirm that new level 91-100 gear has a 2nd dye slot that makes sense? Because that would mean that older gear might get there throughout the expansion, rather than immediately on the 7.0 release.

Some of the dye regions were unexpected, but I do like being able to color in the small details on some pieces and I don't want to lose that. They can solve this by recycling old gear with new dye channels if they can't expand our options with existing gear. That would at least mean that we don't lose any options that we currently have. They've already done it in a way as some of the new DT gear is old gear that was converted to multi channel.

I think the short skirts should have the 2nd channel change the color of the underwear too - There's one that has a 2nd channel... Which only dyes the button on front the skirt. Even at medium distance that's like 1 pixel of color.

I thought this was such an obvious thing it had to be part of the update sure, but no. So many otherwise good skirt glamors ruin cutscenes with accidental upskirts, and being able to at least make underwear match the rest of the outfit would go a long way to make it look less goofy.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

I was under the impression that the 2nd dye was made more appropriate for new DT gear first, and that older gear would catch up to what they wanted at a later date.

Can anyone confirm that new level 91-100 gear has a 2nd dye slot that makes sense? Because that would mean that older gear might get there throughout the expansion, rather than immediately on the 7.0 release.

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Most of the new gear dyes pretty well - it seems for the most part that they're trying to do fabric for channel 1 and metals or leathers in channel 2, so they can be dyed to match better with other pieces. But, even the pieces that are just fabrics, they tend to make channel 2 something that can be used as an accent colour.

Some of the older pieces are fantastic! I love the eternal bond set in particular, being able to dye the boots off of that bright white that doesn't match with anything really gives a new lease of life to the gear. Buuuut some things like the fat cat attire... it very much feels like they were trying really hard not to change the existing channel, but that leaves them with very little to dye.

Considering they had to go back to add the two channels in the first place, I don't see the older items they've added two channels to already getting changed any further... Some of them are just going to be bizarre I guess.

Why can't i dye the Metian armor mental parts? The fact that it is stuck being black is so limiting.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

I was under the impression that the 2nd dye was made more appropriate for new DT gear first, and that older gear would catch up to what they wanted at a later date.

Can anyone confirm that new level 91-100 gear has a 2nd dye slot that makes sense? Because that would mean that older gear might get there throughout the expansion, rather than immediately on the 7.0 release.

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Most older gear doesn't have 2 dye channels yet. There is no reason to assume that gear that currently has 2 dye channels is going to be updated again.

Faire Kohakama - 2nd dye channel dyes whole sock, which is great. But there is now problem with the 1st channel - it used to dye all of the rims of the sock (upper one and bottom one) and also the little ribbon that's on the bottom rim. Now it only dyes upper one and the ribbon - the bottom rim stays bright red, which is a shame. It's literally from the set that you can only buy on MogStation and you would think they will at least look on those things, becuase they cost real money...
If someone bought it before DT to make a cute glam - tough luck, cause now you have bright red line on your ankle. I bought it without looking how the dyes work after DT (my bad, I know, but I was going by screenshots of other players) and now it stays in my Armoire, waiting untli they fix it.

If I understood it right then the problem is that the dye channel is always tied to a texture like for example leather, fabric or metal.
The Adventuring Sweater seems to be two parts but I guess it's both fabric. Just the little accsssiore is another material.
That's why the second channel is tied to metall while the first is tied to fabric.

The Adventurer's sweater is one of the egregious examples but many of the statless glamour pieces have this issue. You could have a chest piece that has two separate elements that would fit perfectly with two dye slots, and it seems that a whole bunch of them have selected a three pixel button or buckle, leaving the other half of the piece undyeable. Like, did no one check these things for quality? Or did some intern write a macro on their lunch break and nobody followed up afterward? I feel like they could have put the budget into more impactful things, such as expanding on the character customization options in the Aesthetician