And the best Relic is...

So has anyone run any parsers to see how each relic outperforms the second best weapons (currently the Garuda series)?

I'd say probably DRG

Pld = Drg > Brd > Whm > Mnk > War = Blm

Something like that in terms of usefulness, however the Drg is probably the best on in terms of Damage increase.

seems like its hard to see the MP proc on BLM so underwelming so far from other members experiences.

for me its a downgrade since I currently have:
48INT
20AMP
12lightning AMP
+ 5macc from wood shield (no grid)

If i were to use stardust I'd be
-3INT
-2AMP (for lightning and +10 for all else)
-5macc
+conserve MP50
+1-5% crit depeding on the target mob probably 2-3% on targets that mater.

It would cost me at least 20M & at least 30 hours of farming/killing not to mention another round of av/cc speeds and all the other parts to it.

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Originally Posted by Meatdawg

Pld = Drg > Brd > Whm > Mnk > War = Blm

Something like that in terms of usefulness, however the Drg is probably the best on in terms of Damage increase.

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Wow, was surprised that blm relic which cost quite a lot turns out to be last. Is PLD relic good because of its damage mitigation or attack?

I was under the impression that the huge INT boost on BLM was really good, that and the enmity on Warrior's axe.

If anything the Monk one looked quite uninspired

The BRD one is a fantastic damage upgrade but other than that it's pretty underwhelming. Extended song duration is fairly pointless.

The blm wpn is triple meld quality, with some additional properties, big crit boost and mp conservation.

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Originally Posted by Fadigre

I was under the impression that the huge INT boost on BLM was really good, that and the enmity on Warrior's axe.

If anything the Monk one looked quite uninspired

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Its not that big of an INT boost as you may think. It may look like a big boost but you put that vs garuda. you gain 15int
but lose 25macc which you will have to make up somewhere else. (most likely a ring slot). Adding all the other stats on it. It's still a nice weapon. but IF the conserve MP isn't that great it loses A lot of its appeal in my opinion.

Hopefully they can improve that MP boost a bit. It's definitely one of the cooler looking relics.

The best is MNK, because they're kitty faces.

>:3

the mnk is pretty sick looking in person, its mouth opens up as you go active mode.

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Originally Posted by Hippo

Wow, was surprised that blm relic which cost quite a lot turns out to be last. Is PLD relic good because of its damage mitigation or attack?

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The Pld weapon is good because of the Acc. You can't afford to miss a spirts and you don't have to really sacrifice any other slots to add acc. The HP boost is great, healing magic pot is a + and the rest is just icing.

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Originally Posted by Tango

seems like its hard to see the MP proc on BLM so underwelming so far from other members experiences.

for me its a downgrade since I currently have:
48INT
20AMP
12lightning AMP
+ 5macc from wood shield (no grid)

If i were to use stardust I'd be
-3INT
-2AMP (for lightning and +10 for all else)
-5macc
+conserve MP50
+1-5% crit depeding on the target mob probably 2-3% on targets that mater.

It would cost me at least 20M & at least 30 hours of farming/killing not to mention another round of av/cc speeds and all the other parts to it.

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Agree with this, it's a downgrade from triple melded 1h weapon.

P.S. Conserve MP make me loss one convert @ CC 17 mins run

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Originally Posted by Hippo

Wow, was surprised that blm relic which cost quite a lot turns out to be last. Is PLD relic good because of its damage mitigation or attack?

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PLD is one of the top because it gets one of the biggest damage boosts compared to other relics over their Primal counterparts, has a chance to heal mp, spirits damage boost, a little hp and healing magic pot., and a solid +40 Acc. Throw in the Shield for its +25 def and refresh you get alot of bonuses that play to the jobs strengths and helps with their weaknesses.

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Originally Posted by Colino

The BRD one is a fantastic damage upgrade but other than that it's pretty underwhelming. Extended song duration is fairly pointless.

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1 min extra on songs is awesome...

its not the 1min on songs so much the 1min on 2hr'd songs

also thinking about it more it gives the ARC a big dmg increase since they have to do songs less often which helps prevent their dps from being interrupted less.

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Originally Posted by Leo_Hart

Agree with this, it's a downgrade from triple melded 1h weapon.

P.S. Conserve MP make me loss one convert @ CC 17 mins run

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What do you mean by that?

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Originally Posted by Sanctus

What do you mean by that?

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He doesn't have to use convert as often as he did previously.

In other words the MP conserve on stardust rod is = to saving 1 convert.

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Originally Posted by SirOleas

He doesn't have to use convert as often as he did previously.

In other words the MP conserve on stardust rod is = to saving 1 convert.

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If thats true, then conserve mp definitely isn't bad. good to hear

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Originally Posted by Colino

The BRD one is a fantastic damage upgrade but other than that it's pretty underwhelming. Extended song duration is fairly pointless.

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Don't think of it as +1minute song Duration, think of it as Battle Voice +33%. It increases the effectiveness of your 15minute drastically, so it's pretty useful.

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Originally Posted by Quatre

Don't think of it as +1minute song Duration, think of it as Battle Voice +33%. It increases the effectiveness of your 15minute drastically, so it's pretty useful.

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I think though if you've played FFXI you probably expected a bit more even if it was subconsciously. In all reality it feels it enhances the Archer part of Barcher rather than the BRD part which is why I feel it was too early for them to introduce this class with a lack of choice, but eh, people use it over Archer now even for DD, so it works.

Y War last? :(

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Originally Posted by Quatre

Don't think of it as +1minute song Duration, think of it as Battle Voice +33%. It increases the effectiveness of your 15minute drastically, so it's pretty useful.

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But how many times do you actually use battle voice? Be honest.

I'm not complaining, it's still the best bow in the game by a long shot (the difference in damage is serious) but I'm sure mostly everyone would have preferred increased potency to increased duration.

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Originally Posted by Colino

But how many times do you actually use battle voice? Be honest.

I'm not complaining, it's still the best bow in the game by a long shot (the difference in damage is serious) but I'm sure mostly everyone would have preferred increased potency to increased duration.

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It's a good buffer. We cycle it on Garuda if sisters pop too much.

pld > drg = brd > war = mnk > blm > whm

pld is strongest all-around. drg has the best bonuses otherwise. the extra minute on songs gives brd more time to dps and support without needing to recast songs (and as previously mentioned is even better on BV). war and mnk are both upgrades over the garuda counterpoints simply by virtue of increased DPS alone- with bravura being even better for tank/offtank use. people are really underrating the value of sphairai and it's silly (higher damage, 60 attk, increased fists uptime with refresh, slight increase to shoulder tackle dmg- all contribute towards increasing mnk's damage ceiling). blm is a great piece but you have to make sure you're able to compensate for the loss of accuracy (pending encounter), and so far conserve mp seems underwhelming. whm is the most overrated of all the relics as it has a silly bonus (lolholy) and pretty much only gives you a couple more hp per tick on your regen.