Honestly, how is this allowed?

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Originally Posted by CatStarwind

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Dynamis is how. And paying way too much sub money just to do that is kinda wack.

Well they are free companies. Maybe they are just real estate free companies. They should get themselves onto the big property websites with all those properties.

But jokes aside, it's odd that a single FC can have more than one.

Because SE doesn't feel like doing anything about RMT'ers

I'm convinced they care more about the sub money these people provide then the RMTing they're doing because it logically would not be even remotely difficult for them to trace the gil and notice suspicion transactions.

A long time ago, there was no limit of one house per individual or one house per FC. After the rule change, anyone owning multiple plots was grandfathered in, so there are wards like this. Could also be that one person has multiple characters running multiple independent FCs that all have the same FC tag. Cant really tell from the screenshots.

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Originally Posted by Cyrtip

A long time ago, there was no limit of one house per individual or one house per FC. After the rule change, anyone owning multiple plots was grandfathered in, so there are wards like this. Could also be that one person has multiple characters running multiple independent FCs that all have the same FC tag. Cant really tell from the screenshots.

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One of those Dynamis so it would be the second. It's definitely unthetical. The problem is that they're not breaking rules and what they are doing could also be done for innocent reasons, like people living together who have multiple accounts. If they can find a way to link this to RMT, then that may be a feasible pathway.

Delete submarine gil making and this would cease to be worth keeping the sub money for
The only people who would be against it are people abusing these farms.

Make the submarines give different rewards that aren't gil so FC"s still have a reason to do them.

Leaving the submarine gil in the game is what would've happened to wow if they kept garrison mission gold in the game permanently. People using an army of alts to generate infinite gil that inflates the economy

Please enlighten me... what gain(s) do these people get from hoarding? Quite unsure what's their agenda or their gameplan.

Two days ago I saw a person buying a 1 Gil worth item for 50.000.000 Gil. Some RMT trades are really obvious.

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Originally Posted by Varilyon

Two days ago I saw a person buying a 1 Gil worth item for 50.000.000 Gil. Some RMT trades are really obvious.

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to be fair that could just be them giving gil to themself from their other character since you cant mail alt characters its a usefull way to send gil to yourself

Oh no, he's back to torture us with the same arguments he was using a year ago.

My advice is do not engage. You're not going to get anywhere. He's set in his beliefs.

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Originally Posted by Varilyon

Two days ago I saw a person buying a 1 Gil worth item for 50.000.000 Gil. Some RMT trades are really obvious.

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I'm guessing you don't have alts or friends. That's a very common way to trade large amounts of gil between characters on the same account, or to a friend without having to do 50 individual 1 million gil trades. It's even possible to bypass both seller and buyer market taxes if it's done via a Mannequin.

That's why it's better for SE to trace where RMT gil goes instead of running a report of large value gil transactions. Most of the large transactions are perfectly innocent. 50 million gil isn't that large an amount anymore.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I'm convinced they care more about the sub money these people provide then the RMTing they're doing because it logically would not be even remotely difficult for them to trace the gil and notice suspicion transactions.

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This is it.
That person who owns all those houses has dozens of accounts for this purpose and each of those, I guess, is paying a subscription. They probably RMT the gil and then use the real money they get from farming gil to pay the sub fees as well. Tracking this sort of thing wouldn't be hard at all, but there's a financial incentive to just do nothing.
Submarines were a mistake. They print money and let certain players amass wealth without actually engaging in the multiplayer economy. They also drive a lot of real money trading. There's no good reason for subs to exist, but it probably keeps people subbed (don't wanna lose your house, which you need for your subs, which you're invested in) which is why it stays in the game ruining housing and FCs and gil value while something comparatively harmless like coffee biscuits get nerfed into oblivion.

there is an area like that on louisoix i think? they decorate everything fitting to each other. even though its not finished, sone hoses are and it looks amazing.
while it seems unfair i rather see something like that than a bunch of empty houses which all look totally different and the owner is only there once a month to make sure he doesnt lose it

Let me just lay out some facts rq:

- Person in question in the first photo, at most (if they're efficient) has 6 or 7 individual accounts handling all of that unless they've roped a 2nd person into this (8 FCs per account, do the math on the 2nd photo).

- This is able to happen because of the inheritance system in place for FC houses so when an FC lead quits/leaves the game, the house can still be given off to another person (which allows people to bypass the requirement of only owning 1 FC house, it doesn't count inheritance as "owning" in the same way it does purchasing off placard).

- This is only happening due to the fact that people are literally not moving to Dynamis and each month the multi-owners are picking up houses that no one bid on during that time, since the FC creation process now takes 1 month to be able to bid (meanwhile you have people who want to just sit and bid against hundreds of other people for some reason and then whine they can't get a house).

- This is only going to happen again in the new Dynamis servers unless people go and pick up the houses.

It's 100% allowed. It's 100% wrong but Yoshi P doesn't care.

So why didn't anyone move to Dynamis, form an fc with friends and buy one of those plots before they were taken?

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Originally Posted by Reinha

So why didn't anyone move to Dynamis, form an fc with friends and buy one of those plots before they were taken?

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The really annoying thing is there are wards and wards of empty plots that are simply not put up for sale by SQEX so if you are a legit FC you cannot get a FC house as the few wards that are open for sale are absolutely full. leading to very low odds on an auction if a plot does open up.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Well they are free companies. Maybe they are just real estate free companies. They should get themselves onto the big property websites with all those properties.

But jokes aside, it's odd that a single FC can have more than one.

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The thing is, a single FC can't have more than one house. However, on a technical side of things this is not the same FC. FC tags are not unique, multiple FCs can have the same tag (e.g SHELL as seen here). So what you're seeing is multiple accounts having multiple FCs with the same tag. And because this is done with multiple service accounts, it is technically also not breaking the ToS. So they are following the law by letter but ofc not in spirit and this is the result.

Edit: Also, what LianaThorne says, although this is not a Dynamis issue at all. This crap happens in every Datacenter plenty of times. I suppose in Dynamis it's just easier to establish because there's less competition when a DC is new.

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Originally Posted by Bellsong

Because SE doesn't feel like doing anything about RMT'ers

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provide evidence of RMT please. Very serious accusation

It's allowed because it's a half-baked system.

But, it's also allowed because ultimately there are no people taking these plots because they are so godawful busy waiting for their favorite plot to show up, rather than to actually just take a plot and build a house.

Do I think it's a good thing? Nah, but ultimately it is something they could quite as easily do something about, they just don't care to do so.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I'm guessing you don't have alts or friends. That's a very common way to trade large amounts of gil between characters on the same account, or to a friend without having to do 50 individual 1 million gil trades. It's even possible to bypass both seller and buyer market taxes if it's done via a Mannequin.

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You can sell without paying taxes? That is new to me. But you cannot say I don't have alts or friends, since you need no friends for this trick. Logically I need this technique, if I don't have friends. If I have friends, there are many easier ways to give money to alts or friends.

Cry about the system, not the player. Instanced housing is the solution for this.

If you create a housing system with scarcity, you need to limit purchases to one home. This system has needed revisions since day 1.

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Originally Posted by Varilyon

Two days ago I saw a person buying a 1 Gil worth item for 50.000.000 Gil. Some RMT trades are really obvious.

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That is an ignorant assumption. I do that if I have to move credits to an alt on another server or to a friend. RMT exist but let us learn NOT to witch hunt everything.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

If you create a housing system with scarcity, you need to limit purchases to one home. This system has needed revisions since day 1.

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They do limit it to one. These are characters on an account that have different FCs since the FC tags don't need to be unique.

Let me give a hypothetical where this can happen in an entirely innocent way. You have your own FC on your main and you own a house. Your alt on the same account is in a different FC that has a house. Your alt becomes the leader of that FC and thus the owner of the house because the leader owns the house.

You could say that you don't allow characters on the same account to be in different FCs. That...ain't gonna fly. You could say the leadership should transfer to someone else who doesn't have a house. What happens in very small FCs where the next person who last logged in may not be active anymore? Then nobody who is active owns the house and anything that requires being the owner can't be done.

A decent suggestion is having workshop items move to individual GCs. I think that's viable since the grand experiment of FC workshops just hasn't really panned out. That would eliminate the desire to have as many of these shell FCs, without hurting smaller FCs.

Honestly who knows how it's allowed

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Originally Posted by Enjuden

Dynamis is how. And paying way too much sub money just to do that is kinda wack.

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There exists at minimum one ward like this in every single world.

This is part of why I never cared about getting into housing despite starting on Maduin, because even if I ever finally got the gil for it, all the plots would be gone anyway (whether legit or... like this).

Now it's just a matter of waiting until it happens with the new Dynamis servers.

They need to start automatically adding new housing wards as they fill up... Stop the artificial scarcity of houses.

And actually stick to the whole 1 housing plot per person, (2 for FC leaders in 1 private and 1 FC).

Housing has always been broken from what I've been told, the housing lotto is also a really bad system IMO.

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Originally Posted by CatStarwind

There exists at minimum one ward like this in every single world.

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If you're asking about older servers, it's a grandfather clause. Otherwise it is actually just having way too much disposable income.

I don't agree with it and I would consider it griefing to buy up an entire ward, but I'm not a GM. It's also likely that their hands are tied as I can guarantee you at least three would try to go after them for personal reasons like some had with other content in the past.

All three GMs that caused an issue were never heard from again, so I imagine they follow the letter of the rules rather than the spirit of it to keep the work that they do.

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Originally Posted by CatStarwind

There exists at minimum one ward like this in every single world.

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Welcome back Cat. Come back over to the housing forum, we missed your insane takes

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Originally Posted by Myrany

The really annoying thing is there are wards and wards of empty plots that are simply not put up for sale by SQEX so if you are a legit FC you cannot get a FC house as the few wards that are open for sale are absolutely full. leading to very low odds on an auction if a plot does open up.

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Good news, Dynamis just had its wards reclassified and now a lot more wards are available for fcs to bid in.

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Originally Posted by Varilyon

Two days ago I saw a person buying a 1 Gil worth item for 50.000.000 Gil. Some RMT trades are really obvious.

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sounds like me moving money to my alt tbh

This is soooo unfair. SE just needs to really change up housing and make it instanced so everybody can have a medium lot and can visit friends like Island Sanctuary. It's hard enough to get a house as is in game, we don't need greedy people snatching up every lot in a ward for no reason other than they're selfish and want to grief.

huh? You do realize they ban thousands and thousands on a monthly basis right? SE has done a really good job getting rid of a lot of the RMT. The problem is it is impossible to fully get rid of them in ANY MMORPG. What they should be ashamed of is it took them 10+ years to deal with the harrasment/blacklist issue. And the fact that if we remove someone on our friend list- we still remain on their list. Let's toss some fire on that issue.

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Originally Posted by Lemuel81

huh? You do realize they ban thousands and thousands on a monthly basis right? SE has done a really good job getting rid of a lot of the RMT. The problem is it is impossible to fully get rid of them in ANY MMORPG. What they should be ashamed of is it took them 10+ years to deal with the harrasment/blacklist issue. And the fact that if we remove someone on our friend list- we still remain on their list. Let's toss some fire on that issue.

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I blacklist RMT bots when I report them.

When a character on your blacklist is banned, their name changes to [Unable to retrieve].

RMT bots I reported two years ago are still visible on my blacklist.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

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I was going to agree but I'm actually not sure if this would work considering that submersibles only make about 12-14 mil a month per FC and setting them up takes around 5-6 months, which is around $65-$78 in sub fees if you're using entry level subscription. (As for the 5-6 months, I've set up submersibles for myself twice, it takes a LONG time even if you recycle parts from your previous venture)

Maybe they're using the same account for multiple FC's across various different servers, but going off a cursory search of gil prices right now it's about $1.50 per million gil, so each FC would only generate about $21 in gil per month weighed against the $13 you would pay in subscription prices.

Albeit, from what little I know of gil buying from talking to people who actually buy gil, the prices do fluctuate so gil is likely cheap right now compared to the start of an xpac where demand for gil is much higher, but it just seems like a steep cost for the little returns you get, so maybe there's something missing from the picture

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Originally Posted by Lemuel81

huh? You do realize they ban thousands and thousands on a monthly basis right? SE has done a really good job getting rid of a lot of the RMT.

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Those thousands consist almost entirely of those teleporting lalafells who are blatantly hacking or people who are RMT spamming.

The frequency with which they action people who fall outside of those two camps is extremely low, and while it's true that you can't get rid of them entirely, the ones they are allowing to persist are not of a sort that can be easily replaced given what it takes to get them going in the first place.