Weaponskills Power Based on DPS or Damage Value?

In case anyone is curious whether it’s a weapon’s damage value or DPS value that puts the punch in a WS, I’d like to give a brief explanation of the system.

As you all know, with our Armoury system it is possible for actions to be used on different classes.

With that said, in the case that we made only the damage value affect a WS’s power, those classes that are able to equip themselves with weapons that have high damage values would become more powerful than the classes that could originally use those abilities.

In order to avoid this situation, we set the DPS value to dictate a WS’s power and we have no plans on changing this in version 2.0.

So its DPS for WS and Weapon damage for auto attack?
Now if we ever get an explanation on how crafting stats work... :P

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Originally Posted by Meleena

So its DPS for WS and Weapon damage for auto attack?
Now if we ever get an explanation on how crafting stats work... :P

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Yes please!

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Originally Posted by Meleena

So its DPS for WS and Weapon damage for auto attack?

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If it uses TP (thereby making it a weapon-skill), it uses the DPS rating. Steel Cyclone, Spirits Within, Shield Bash, etc.

If it only has a timer, it uses the DMG rating. Auto attacks, Light Shot, Jump, Shoulder Tackle, etc.

Delay (and delay-regulated tp gain) will be the factor that evens out auto-attack damage and effectiveness over time, and in a perfect world it would even out Light Shot as well, but Jump and Shoulder tackle just benefit from it since the recast time doesn't change. Going by the dev's logic, the abilities that use DMG aren't cross-class actions so it's fine.

what about explanation for gathering c.C?

I don't understand it- the DPS was just calculated from the damage/delay right? I thought the DPS was just added for reference purposes?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I don't understand it- the DPS was just calculated from the damage/delay right? I thought the DPS was just added for reference purposes?

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See, that's the thing. DPS is just damage/delay. So perhaps the 'DPS' factoring into the WS's values is not even new, it could have been there forever with them simply factoring "damage/delay" instead of DPS, which would give the same final result.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

In case anyone is curious whether it’s a weapon’s damage value or DPS value that puts the punch in a WS, I’d like to give a brief explanation of the system.

As you all know, with our Armoury system it is possible for actions to be used on different classes.

With that said, in the case that we made only the damage value affect a WS’s power, those classes that are able to equip themselves with weapons that have high damage values would become more powerful than the classes that could originally use those abilities.

In order to avoid this situation, we set the DPS value to dictate a WS’s power and we have no plans on changing this in version 2.0.

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But when adding Base state (STR for example) or ATK power the WS do in fact raise in dmg output. Can you please let us know how does that factor in the equation?

so.. does this create a situation where an axe with higher damage and more delay beats a less damage axe with less delay? I dont like how unclear this makes my weapon options... or is it enough of a difference to not even worry about...

Meier kept telling everyone this and no one believed him haha =D Well, thanks for finally confirming it SE. <3

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Originally Posted by Madrox

so.. does this create a situation where an axe with higher damage and more delay beats a less damage axe with less delay? I dont like how unclear this makes my weapon options... or is it enough of a difference to not even worry about...

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They will be equal/roughly the same strength if their DPS numbers are similar. If either has a higher DPS number then that higher number one is better regardless if it is faster/slower.

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what about explanation for gathering c.C?

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Really? Gathering is as clear as day and explained in the pop-up help in-game if you mouseover the gathering stats.

Are they called "weapon skills" still? I was using the term "weapon abilities" because their based off the armoury system and not because we skill up weapons anymore. I never imagined DPS was a lock-on factor to the armoury system before. There's no way I can use most abilities of one class with another.

Thread: Translations (JP to English), 07-20-2012 12:39 PM #4241
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Rep Response - 07/20/12 WS damage based on DPS not D value
Mocchi explaining why WS is based off of DPS and not the D value.


Originally Posted by Mocchi
こんにちは。
Hello,

活発な議論ありがとうございます。
WSの威力がD値ではなくDPSで決まる件について、あらためてご説明差し上げます。
Thanks for the hot discussion.
Let me explain once again regarding WS effect being based on DPS rather than D value.

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偉大な先人の検証で、ＷＳのダメージはＤ値ではなく、ＤＰＳで決まることが分かりました
（ＤＰＳとは、単位時間当たりのダメージ量のことです）
ＷＳダメージはＤ値のほうで計算していただきたいです
I found out that WS damage is based not on D value but the DPS.
I would like the WS damage to be based off the D value.

その場合、Ｄ値は高くてＷＳは強いが、間隔が長くて通常攻撃は弱い武器
もしくは、その逆。はたまたバランス型と武器に多様性が生まれます
In that case, there will be situation where there are weapons with high D value with strong WS but since the delay is long or opposite.

現状のようにＤＰＳだけでＷＳのダメージが決まってしまうと、
武器の個性が付加能力だけになってしまいます
・・・・と、いうか、これって設定ミスのような気がするのですが
Just like current if the WS damage is based off just on DPS only difference would be the weapons additional effects... I think that's an error in the settings

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アーマリーシステムの都合上、他クラスのアクションを利用することができます。
Due to the Armory system you can use other classes actions.

つまり、D値だけでWSの威力を決めた場合、D値が高い武器を装備できるクラスやジョブでアクションを使用すると、本来のクラスで使用した際の威力よりもあがってしまう、というおかしな状況が出てきます。
So If you go by the D value to determine the WS damage, when a class/job that can equip the weapon with highest D value uses this action the situation becomes awkward where this class/job will have more effect than the original class.

このような状況を避けるため、現状のように、DPS（ダメージ値を攻撃間隔で除算した数値）でWSの威力が決まるようになっています。
To avoid this type of situation like current system WS damage is based off the DPS

ということで、この点については新生版でも変更する予定がないことはご了承ください。
For that reason please note that we do not plan on changing this even in 2.0

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We need to "Weapon Skill" with other players rather than ourselves. I want to see elemental WS explosions & damage which could possibly cause magic burst & enfeebles.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

They will be equal/roughly the same strength if their DPS numbers are similar. If either has a higher DPS number then that higher number one is better regardless if it is faster/slower.



Really? Gathering is as clear as day and explained in the pop-up help in-game if you mouseover the gathering stats.

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I guess in that sitjation is when I need to compare bonua stats. thanks.

this is why relic is so incredibly strong highest D and DPS by a good margin, also higher DPS raises stat caps so it further enhances your overall damage output.