Let us play all dungeons

It would be great if people were allowed to play any dungeon at any level, at least as far as dungeon roulette is concerned. It's boring playing the same ones over and over again. At least for me as a player who doesn't get into other expansions as quickly by the pace of play. Just because I don't have that much time to play.
Daily roulette is a great thing but it would be nice to play other dungeons. Maybe with some scaling set for rewards so that one can't get the same thing that other players have already unlocked due to playing msq.
+ Would of course leave out pure story instances that would contain bigger spoilers.

Seeing how a lot of dungeons are tied to MSQ, and some can contain major spoilers, I highly doubt that we'll ever see a feature where players can enter a dungeon they aren't "meant" to enter yet.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean, and I'm saying this genuinely.

Are you saying side-content should be unlocked regardless of level or progression?

How would someone still in ARR or Heavensward unlock, say, the Twinning, without reaching Shadowbringers? Remove the unlock quest entirely?
Even as Side-content, something like Smileton or Sigma Deamscape would contain pretty big spoilers for someone not caught up to the MSQ.

Not to mention, how would a level 50 without all their skills keep up in a level 70 Dungeon? Or higher? Warrior doesn't even get its famous self-sustain from Raw Intuition until 56. Even a Dark knight without Blood Drain, not to mention Blackest Night, wouldn't be able to keep up.

Hmm, yes, not enough information in this post.

It would be nice for expert roulette to contain more dungeons. Perhaps merge with level 90 roulette.

Letting sprouts do any dungeon without unlocking it wouldn't be a good idea though. It's a story-driven game and dungeons are designed around the story.

I'll ask. How much would you enjoy running the same dungeons over and over again over the course of maybe two or three years that you've been playing msq from ARR to maybe HW due to time constraints. Now imagine that you could play any dungeon and it would give you a scale for the certain lvl the dungeon requires. You would unlock the quest and the dungeon itself as a player after you reached the dungeon. And these would be dungeons that are not closely related to the expansion and its story, plus you wouldn't get the same rewards as a drop from a dungeon but purely a reward for daily roulette. And I'm not just talking about the lvl 90 roulette.

Are you talking about scaling dungeons to the highest level currently available or additional dungeons (in the vein of ARR's hard modes)?

Because levelling roulette already includes every dungeon in the game minus the three MSQs and the current expansion max level dungeons.

I mean, you can also queue for any dungeon you like, with people or with the trust system (with some exceptions.)

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Would of course leave out pure story instances that would contain bigger spoiler

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That is literally every dungeon you haven't unlocked because you haven't progressed far enough into the MSQ.

For all of the complaints about dungeons being linear hallways following a set formula, their flavor (that doesn't necessarily impact the game play) still depends on the MSQ.

I'm talking about all instances that one hasn't actually unlocked with msq yet. Although roulette contains all of them but if you don't unlock them you have to play the same ones over and over again.
They're few and far between.
They could add some non lvl or msq oriented dungeons.
Or they could let the player draw from all of them anyway, the player would have to set it up themselves so it doesn't force others to spoil themself the story

I'm currently in Stormblood, and I know that around the end of Dawntrail I'll be somewhere around the beginning of Endwalker with my play speed... then the next datadisc will come. And that's how a lot of people have it, not just me.
In that time, I'll go crazy seeing the same dungeon every other day. And I already celebrate when I get to roulette one of the side dungeons I saw a year ago and I've only been there maybe 20 times in that time.

Yes there is a possibility to give a few euro for skip story and lvl but I don't want to do that. I just want to have more varied dungeon play. It would be nice to give players the option to choose whether they want to play by msq or unlock all of them, knowing what they are doing.

I think you're unaware due to where you are in the story, but the amount of dungeons not connected that the story has reduced over time to the point where there are none. Removing dungeons that can spoil story stuff includes the majority of dungeons from Stormblood and every dungeon from both Shadowbringers and Endwalker. The last two expansions have only two dungeons each that are not part of the msq but all of those four dungeons build off very spoilery main scenario concepts.

For you this would unlock maybe two or three dungeons, at best and that's it. They've cut down heavily on the number of side dungeons over they make over the years.

There is also the other issue, others have mentioned of lower level jobs struggling in higher level dungeons without their full kit. Just unlocking those abilities temporarily for the higher level dungeons would put a lot on those players. It'd honestly be worse for them than a freshly level skipped player.

POV: Your 'The Dark Inside' run had a level 52 sprout join through the Trial Roulette

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In HW/SB almost every leveling dungeon is story related, with many of the level cap dungeons being story related. In SHB/EW, there are only two non main story dungeons per expansion and they are often still spoilers in general, like Twinning isn't in the MSQ but that'd be a heck of a dungeon to have someone run with no context.

Furthermore, outside of crazy weird luck, roulettes should not be giving you the same dungeon or two once you get into more expansions. Your list of leveling dungeons grows and grows. Same with 50/60/70/80 roulette as you progress.

Main Scenario has only three duties but that's a special roulette that only exists because of the oddness around ARR's finale they can't easily just get rid of. Ex Roulette only has two or three dungeons at a time, usually two, but that's a level cap roulette you have to be caught up on msq for. Level 90 roulette has six in it which I suppose is a bit limited, but also something you haven't run into yet.

Story issues aside, it'd also just be a nightmare mechanically. How do you scale people up to these duties? Do you just temporarily scale a level 30 paladin up to 90 to tank the newest dungeon? Thrusting dozens of levels and a full rotation they aren't used to onto them and then taking it away? Not a great idea imo. Even deep dungeons limit the scope of this and, in the story mode floors, the content is generally pretty easy. That's also a special system that disregards your usual gear and item level. Normal duties don't work that way.

You also just don't have to do leveling roulette every day.

I would rather they just gave us a true roulette and I wish there was more of an incentive for ppl to unlock all those amazing lvl 50 (hard) ARR dungeons and even those from HW. I would absolutely love to get Pharos Sirius (hard) or Wanderer's Palace (hard) in a roulette again instead of just getting the same 3 dungeons over and over. They say it's random, but the way everyone seems to get the same dungeons on repeat, I have my doubts. A truly random system would at least help take the tedium of some of the roulettes away a bit.

There is no way I should have gotten King Mog for nearly 50 days straight in a true random roulette when there are no events going on to incentivize ppl to queue directly for it. I've also gotten Titan every day for nearly a month before too. And then there is all the many times I get '1000 maws of maybe I will give WoW a try' in leveling. I understand there are ppl just unlocking these fights sometimes, but the simple fact is that there are usually not any first timers and everyone seems to be overleveled in these runs. So why on earth are we getting them so often? They don't need to unlock them all, but they need to even out how often some dungeons pop or just stop compiling all dungeons ifrom ARR on into 1 roulette.

And I really miss the (hard) versions of dungeons. It was always a bit of a treat imo to expand on the dungeons we already have. Imagine Amaurot, Akadaemia Anyder, Grand Cosmos, Tower of Babil, Dead Ends, etc. in hard mode. With a lil more lore, new encounters, different layouts. The story dungeons have gotten better over time, making the loss of those updated versions of the dungeons a but more painful.

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Originally Posted by ThomasOfEger

I'm currently in Stormblood, and I know that around the end of Dawntrail I'll be somewhere around the beginning of Endwalker with my play speed... then the next datadisc will come. And that's how a lot of people have it, not just me.
In that time, I'll go crazy seeing the same dungeon every other day. And I already celebrate when I get to roulette one of the side dungeons I saw a year ago and I've only been there maybe 20 times in that time.

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Datadisc? Really?

Also, if you have no time to play, why are you running roulettes? Do the MSQ and unlock more dungeons.

If you are not threw the MSQ yet and you "dont have much time to play" why are you side questing to run dungeons so frequently as to be tiered of your current dungeon pool?

I'm not going to pretend to be able to dictate how you play, but perhaps consider not putting the horse before the cart..

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Originally Posted by ThomasOfEger

I'm currently in Stormblood, and I know that around the end of Dawntrail I'll be somewhere around the beginning of Endwalker with my play speed... then the next datadisc will come. And that's how a lot of people have it, not just me.
In that time, I'll go crazy seeing the same dungeon every other day. And I already celebrate when I get to roulette one of the side dungeons I saw a year ago and I've only been there maybe 20 times in that time.

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Why even run boring roulettes if you are that far behind on the story?
Ignore the roulettes and focus on quests and story instead, and soon you won't be behind.

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Originally Posted by Kanehon

Not to mention, how would a level 50 without all their skills keep up in a level 70 Dungeon? Or higher? Warrior doesn't even get its famous self-sustain from Raw Intuition until 56. Even a Dark knight without Blood Drain, not to mention Blackest Night, wouldn't be able to keep up.

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WoW solves this pretty easy with level scaling. Basically the lower levels have less abilities, naturally, but the abilities do more damage. Therefore, t's actually not uncommon to see lower levels beating higher levels on the damage charts, lol. Simpler rotation, but more damage.

I do agree with not being able to do dungeons that you havn't unlocked with the MSQ yet...you would just leave those out of your pool until you have completed the pre-requisite MSQ.

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Originally Posted by ThomasOfEger

I'm talking about all instances that one hasn't actually unlocked with msq yet. Although roulette contains all of them but if you don't unlock them you have to play the same ones over and over again.
They're few and far between.
They could add some non lvl or msq oriented dungeons.
Or they could let the player draw from all of them anyway, the player would have to set it up themselves so it doesn't force others to spoil themself the story

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Even side content, non MSQ, is full of spoilers. I have given examples of dungeons where their very environment is a spoiler.

You mentioned you are in Stormblood. Have you done the Fractal Continuum from Post Heavensward? The zone is a spoiler in itself for someone in ARR. Maybe you can argue that a dungeon like Dusk Vigil is not much of a spoiler. But Sohm Al (Hard) or Great Gubal Library (Hard) from Post-heavensward would be much more of a spoiler for someone in ARR.

If you intend those Hard Versions to not be included, then you're back to a limited selection.

And I'm not sure how far into Stormblood you are. But Shadowbringers-onward, the selection of side dungeons is incredibly small anyway, and then we're also back to "Their existence is a spoiler" zone.

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Originally Posted by Roshidon1

WoW solves this pretty easy with level scaling. Basically the lower levels have less abilities, naturally, but the abilities do more damage. Therefore, t's actually not uncommon to see lower levels beating higher levels on the damage charts, lol. Simpler rotation, but more damage.

I do agree with not being able to do dungeons that you havn't unlocked with the MSQ yet...you would just leave those out of your pool until you have completed the pre-requisite MSQ.

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That's interesting, I haven't played WoW since Cataclysm so I fully admit I don't remember a lot of specifics from it

But to be honest, I'm not sure if it'd feel more frustrating to not have my buttons, or see the level 25 lancer out-DPS a lvl 80 Dragoon lol
(Which now makes me think how much worse the "Didn't Bring a Jobstone to the Duty" issue would become in that case)

I can see some merit in the concept if it's to allow for more variety in levelling other jobs once you've cleared the content once. It might be a bit jarring to see a level scaled Gladiator or Conjurer in level 30+ content though.

I would appreciate having access to other dungeons when levelling other jobs as it can be very repetitive running the same content multiple times over.

There are also people who don't really care about the story (yes I know, hot take) who just want to run content with their friends and have fun instead of being locked out of it unless they go speed through everything or buy BOTH a level and story skip.

Balance and logistically speaking? I'm not a developer so I have no idea how they'd look at adjusting the lower level jobs for higher end content. I'll hold my peace lest I go into further rabbit holes...