Red Mage Job Identity

Anyone else hoping that red mage regains its job identity as a caster that uses black and white magic? I feel like over the last few expansions we’ve slowly moved from red mage to rose mage.

This expansion, all of our new spells and abilities are all “rose themed”. Post SB the only “new” black and white spells we’ve gotten have been verthunder and veraero II and III. That’s it. Everything else has been non elemental or utility.

This is like asking Machinist to tone down the Machinery in favor of more gunplay.
I think it's important for the job to evolve and create its own identity outside of just "casts both black and white magic". Sure, keep its basic spells black & white, but when it's really showing its full strength, it should be in its own unique, Red way.

The rose/thorns motif is often associated with Red Mages in other games like FFXI or the Bravely series. I don’t think it’s too out-of-field for the motif to also be associated with them in FFXIV. As the poster above says, it gives Red Mage its own identity as more than just an imitator of other jobs.

I actually think the rose theme gives Red Mage more of a distinct identity. Black and White Magic are already covered by other jobs and aren't unique.

I think it is fine, actually. I just wish they would upgrade Veraero II/Verthunder II and Verfire/Verquake.

And also just generally give the jobs more AoE mini-game than what we have. I get really bored pulling trash mobs with only three AoE skills.

I think it's fine. Sure they've added on more stuff that isn't strictly more 'verwhite/verblack' magick but the core of it is still there including holy and flare as parts of the core rotation. I like it building off of that and then making new moves for its own identity.

Red mage in FFXI is a good healer/ Nuker and support job in FFXI, it also can do some Frontline damage with its swords or daggers ( I think they can use clubs too)

they are also great enfeebling magic users, highest in the game, can put Dia 3, distract, blind, ect and give haste II to the party as well

I enjoy FFXI red mage more than xiv red mage, because you have all these spells, support, great damage

While the rose identity is good.
The balance of white magic and black magic should also be more involved in the job. I don't know if this is more spells or more effects/uses of a bar but it would be cool to see this further.
They can't just keep adding extra steps to the melee combo ender forever.... Right?

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Originally Posted by Memyx

This is like asking Machinist to tone down the Machinery in favor of more gunplay.
I think it's important for the job to evolve and create its own identity outside of just "casts both black and white magic". Sure, keep its basic spells black & white, but when it's really showing its full strength, it should be in its own unique, Red way.

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This is exactly right.

I like the rose theme because it helps RDM be its own thing, aesthetically (glares at Seraphism) and it also symbolizes the perfect blend of white and black magic; a structure of life that can also harm.

The rose theme is the best thing FF14 added to/leaned into for RDM's aesthetic, in my opinion.

Apart from the identity, I'm more concerned about where the red mage will be later on. In other words, what reason this class has to exist.

The red mage is clearly at the bottom of the raid line-up. The damage lags behind the black mage and the summoner and doesn't really bring much to the group except less damage and a small 10% damage boost that the black mage and summoner can easily compensate for in the absence of a red mage.

Healing? Revive? Maybe useful in the "learning process" of an encounter but later.

The basic DPS setup is samurai, reaper, dancer and black mage/summoner.
You just don't see a single red mage and that annoys me because Square always brings nice new classes but doesn't think them through to the end.
There are exceptions, but the ff14 logs speak for themselves.

Now there are two more DPS classes competing and somehow I'm afraid that nothing will change at the core.

The roses are cool! And so are the arcane disc patterns that also appear in the spells. They're very stylish!

I like the rose theme cause it makes me feel like Kurama from YuYu Hakusho.

The only thing I wish is Bunbuns could wear the AF hats... Like I get not making every hat available... I don't like it, but I have grown to accept it. But the RDM hat is an identifier of the class since FF1 and I wish they would just let us wear the dang RDM hat...