Duels

I know they're planning to have some sort of arena 1 vs 1 PVP but i was wondering should SE implement duels? I hate using other game references but there is a certain game (lol) that you're able to practice your 1 on 1 fighting outside of town? I was wondering if this would be a good idea or bad idea?


For me, I think is a good way for the server community (JP and NA) to get together and see where they're at before going ring side, and make it a tighter community.

in before "japanese guy wins due low latency"

japanese guy wins due low latency

seems like blm will have advantage

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Originally Posted by neorei

I know they're planning to have some sort of arena 1 vs 1 PVP but i was wondering should SE implement duels? I hate using other game references but there is a certain game (lol) that you're able to practice your 1 on 1 fighting outside of town? I was wondering if this would be a good idea or bad idea?


For me, I think is a good way for the server community (JP and NA) to get together and see where they're at before going ring side, and make it a tighter community.

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I think you mean... hundreds of "certain game (lol)"s.

Surely you must know how common it is.

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Originally Posted by Madrox

I think you mean... hundreds of "certain game (lol)"s.

Surely you must know how common it is.

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yes, but it's more prevalent in a game with over 8 million subs.

Chocobo jousting.

sorry just had to throw it in somewhere

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Originally Posted by neorei

yes, but it's more prevalent in a game with over 8 million subs.

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I am sorry, but you have a poor taste in referencing. Lol.

Jousting! There's a real man sport right there. Just no slapping my ass and saying good game.

Pissing contests make everyone smell bad.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

Pissing contests make everyone smell bad.

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You're just mad because because Lalafells can only pee on people's legs.

No PVP outside of the arena pls. Or at the very least, if it is implemented, lets have the ability to refuse to 'duel'. Also, 'ganking' has no place in this game.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

No PVP outside of the arena pls. Or at the very least, if it is implemented, lets have the ability to refuse to 'duel'. Also, 'ganking' has no place in this game.

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I don't think anyone were suggesting forced open PvP everywhere for everyone.

Personally, I'm for the idea of being able to start a duel anywhere except maybe in the middle of a city. Even if there aren't any rewards for those insta-duels, it would be a nice way to get some stress relief.

There should be some actual pvp arena events with actual rewards as well, I think.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

Pissing contests make everyone smell bad.

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Honestly, PvP was always done right in FF11. There was variety and usefulness outside of the different arena's without the pvp having an adverse reaction in the community or game. If WoWtards and other gankers get stuff like duels and other idiot open world pvp in FF14, it will have a hugely negative effect on the community and the game itself.

I think Pankration was amazingly interesting PvP. I would love love love to see an even deeper version of it in FF14. But what I meant by usefulness above is that you got points for beating other pcs/npcs in Pankration with your pokemon, as well as leveling up ur pokemon. Those points could then be used to buy things, one such thing was items to pop monsters in the open world.

Just some really amazing things in FF11 that they could be using as inspiration, with even more effort and depth and people would flock to FF14.... but instead we'll get mo fo duels.... God FML

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Originally Posted by Mirage

I don't think anyone were suggesting forced open PvP everywhere for everyone.

Personally, I'm for the idea of being able to start a duel anywhere except maybe in the middle of a city. Even if there aren't any rewards for those insta-duels, it would be a nice way to get some stress relief.

There should be some actual pvp arena events with actual rewards as well, I think.

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Somebody would suggest it, that's why I threw it out there.

Also, there are plans in the 2.0 outline for a pvp arena, so there's no reason to ask for one. We're getting one anyway.

I'd rather not see this added cause its annoying.

SE has been pretty clear PVP will only be in the arena/special zones. As it should be with this game.

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/it_0ca255_54119.jpg
It's time to du...dd.dd..d...d.d.d.d.DUEL!

duels anywhere. target player type /duel, other player gets YES/NO to accept. if YES, there is a countdown from 10, and the duel begins. the winner is the first to get the opponent to 0 hp. the loser /kneels. at any time either player can do /duel draw, or /duel end, /duel end results in a loss, /duel draw results in a draw if both players agree. /duel draw can only be used once during a duel so that it can't be spammed.

/easy

fun stuff to kill time while waiting on an event, or in town watching shouts, etc. :P

let's do this!

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Originally Posted by ToxicFox

I'd rather not see this added cause its annoying.

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Like Jumping!

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Originally Posted by Giit

duels anywhere. target player type /duel, other player gets YES/NO to accept. if YES, there is a countdown from 10, and the duel begins. the winner is the first to get the opponent to 0 hp. the loser /kneels. at any time either player can do /duel draw, or /duel end, /duel end results in a loss, /duel draw results in a draw if both players agree. /duel draw can only be used once during a duel so that it can't be spammed.

/easy

fun stuff to kill time while waiting on an event, or in town watching shouts, etc. :P

let's do this!

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lets not :P if players want pvp they'll be at the arena. I don't want some jackass repeatedly spamming /duel when I've told them no already. You know it would happen.

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Originally Posted by urtv

seems like blm will have advantage

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Yeah have fun trying to cast Thundaga while I'm on my DRG.


















The joke is that you won't be able to.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

lets not :P if players want pvp they'll be at the arena. I don't want some jackass repeatedly spamming /duel when I've told them no already. You know it would happen.

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then click the little thingy that says "reject all duels"

some of you people remind me of the old guy down the street that's always yelling at kids to "get off my lawn!!!"

Feel free to bitch all you want on the sidelines, with no worries about duel "spam" while the rest of us have fun.

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Originally Posted by Giit

some of you people remind me of the old guy down the street that's always yelling at kids to "get off my lawn!!!"

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I aim to please!

But seriously, isn't that just the flipside of having anyone who wants to pvp go to the arena to do it? IMO it's way less annoying to have pvp restricted to the arena.

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Originally Posted by Giit

then click the little thingy that says "reject all duels"

some of you people remind me of the old guy down the street that's always yelling at kids to "get off my lawn!!!"

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The majority of FF14 players have stated they don't want your obnoxious PvP anywhere but in a closed off arena, when you can gank and grief to your hearts content.(No one is going to see you, and no one is going to care... awww /pout you have no reason to do it now do you?)

So yea, gtfo our lawn!

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Originally Posted by Giit

then click the little thingy that says "reject all duels"

some of you people remind me of the old guy down the street that's always yelling at kids to "get off my lawn!!!"

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yeah but then there will be the people who want to pick on the people who are lower in lvl and want to duel them because that makes them look badass because the higher level guy could beat the lower level one.

It should say in the selected areas and if you're in the area you can choose to duel one on one or one verses everyone.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I aim to please!

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don't forget to shake your fist in the air everytime you complain about jump, duels, or anything else remotely exciting. o yeah, take your blood pressure pills, and make sure you have your slippers on before you go outside to yell at us :p

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Originally Posted by Giit

don't forget to shake your fist in the air everytime you complain about jump, duels, or anything else remotely exciting. o yeah, take your blood pressure pills, and make sure you have your slippers on before you go outside to yell at us :p

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wait, jumping is exciting? ah crap! I guess I missed the boat on that one. It annoyed the shit out of me in WoW.

the really cool thing about pvp in this: 90% of the people that whine and cry and complain about it, end up loving it once they give it a chance. and a good portion of those people, will end up being very good at it. it's fun.

Nobody said you can't have pvp, you're getting an arena for it. Honestly, that's the best scenario, because if you go there, you're guaranteed to find somebody that actually wants in on it. You can have it, I don't care for it. My outlook is this; it doesn't matter what the game is you're playing, there is always somebody better than you. I don't care to prove that, I'm here for PvE. It's the same damn reason I don't play Call of Duty and other such games online, it's much less fun having you ass handed to you. Sure, I may well suck at PvP, but guess what? I don't care, I have no interest in pissing contests.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Nobody said you can't have pvp, you're getting an arena for it. Honestly, that's the best scenario, because if you go there, you're guaranteed to find somebody that actually wants in on it. You can have it, I don't care for it. My outlook is this; it doesn't matter what the game is you're playing, there is always somebody better than you. I don't care to prove that, I'm here for PvE. It's the same damn reason I don't play Call of Duty and other such games online, it's much less fun having you ass handed to you. Sure, I may well suck at PvP, but guess what? I don't care, I have no interest in pissing contests.

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that's fine, but you're not getting my point either.

how about this...all pvp within city limits = arena. outside the cities, we should be able to /duel. there's plenty of times when standing around waiting for timers, etc. that we've all wished we could be testing gear, doing something, pvp. people that enjoy pvp aren't a virus or even an eyesore, it's fun to watch, and fun to be involved in, if YOU, and people like you don't like it..go turn around, go somewhere else, OR....enjoy it while we entertain you. I don't see how it's even possible for anyone to get all hot and bothered over something like this lol.

and in case you haven't noticed, you're already in a pissing contest, silly :P it's an MMO, a competitive game. if you're not taking part, you best be only using AF gear. for me, I'll be the guy with the stream that can put out skyscraper fires. feel free to water the daisies. as long as it's fun for you <3

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Originally Posted by Giit

that's fine, but you're not getting my point either.

how about this...all pvp within city limits = arena. outside the cities, we should be able to /duel. there's plenty of times when standing around waiting for timers, etc. that we've all wished we could be testing gear, doing something, pvp. people that enjoy pvp aren't a virus or even an eyesore, it's fun to watch, and fun to be involved in, if YOU, and people like you don't like it..go turn around, go somewhere else, OR....enjoy it while we entertain you. I don't see how it's even possible for anyone to get all hot and bothered over something like this lol.

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Except that as has been stated earlier, most players don't want pvp outside of the arena. By keeping it limited to the arena you are guaranteed to find somebody to answer your request positively. Lets put it this way, if I ewant pvp I'll go to the arena, if not, I don't want to be annoyed by your requests for it from me.

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Originally Posted by Giit

and in case you haven't noticed, you're already in a pissing contest, silly :P it's an MMO, a competitive game. if you're not taking part, you best be only using AF gear.

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Not really. Without pvp, it's me vs the game. I'm in absolutely no rush to be first at anything, or to be the best [insert class here] on the server. Some folks are, and for them maybe it is a pissing contest, but it's not for me, that's not what I enjoy in this game. I aim to be a solid player with a solid group of friends to play with, that's it.

Duels outside the city would be fun and it would be another boredom killer. Unless people want it strictly in the arena then that would be cool. Perhaps some sort of instanced arena in case people just want 1 on 1.

Theres a chance that some people might take 1v1 too seriously though and may start demanding fixes.

I'd like to see a black mage fight a monk though.

first off, I don't believe polls taken on the forums, it's lol worthy. since it's mainly the same trolls kissing each others asses, with agendas along the same lines. I've been playing MMO's for going on 9 years, and see this as a fact, an undeniable truth. that little statistic of yours is a moot point with me and in no way reflects the actual things that others want in the game. most people don't know what they want until they get it. fact.

secondly, you're obviously very stubborn about want or don't want, and that's fine, I respect your opinion, and your right to state it, but when you're done kicking the crap out of that dead horse, I invite you to have an open mind to at least try it, and let us give it a chance before you burn it. a game that cannot evolve is a dead game. you have every right to be a wallflower, and nobody will stop you, but it seems like you're looking for a chat program, not a competitive MMO, which is what this is. imo, this game can be all things to people like you and me, so maybe try not to step on our balls, just because a few of us want a little more out of it. give a chance before huffin and puffin about how horrible it will be.

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Originally Posted by Mairuzu

Duels outside the city would be fun and it would be another boredom killer. Unless people want it strictly in the arena then that would be cool. Perhaps some sort of instanced arena in case people just want 1 on 1.

Theres a chance that some people might take 1v1 too seriously though and may start demanding fixes.

I'd like to see a black mage fight a monk though.

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there will definitely be fixes ^^, there's is always an imbalance of classes when pvp is introduced, it's part of the fun, hehe. but in general the fixes are to pvp only, and rarely reflect on pvm abilities. if we had duels right now, there would be some very unlikely classes/jobs on top.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Except that as has been stated earlier, most players don't want pvp outside of the arena. By keeping it limited to the arena you are guaranteed to find somebody to answer your request positively. Lets put it this way, if I ewant pvp I'll go to the arena, if not, I don't want to be annoyed by your requests for it from me.

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There is no reason they couldn't put in an option to "Refuse all duels", that way you are never bothered by it. Personally, I'd love the option since it really does help with the boredom that often comes with standing around and waiting for things to happen.

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Originally Posted by Nazrakin

There is no reason they couldn't put in an option to "Refuse all duels", that way you are never bothered by it. Personally, I'd love the option since it really does help with the boredom that often comes with standing around and waiting for things to happen.

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The issue with that option is people start bad mouthing the people who have auto reject on. I've played MMO's with duel and the people who sit there and spam duel on people get pissed after being rejected 50 times. I don't know if the blacklist has a limit on how many people can be on it but I don't want to find out.

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Originally Posted by ToxicFox

The issue with that option is people start bad mouthing the people who have auto reject on. I've played MMO's with duel and the people who sit there and spam duel on people get pissed after being rejected 50 times. I don't know if the blacklist has a limit on how many people can be on it but I don't want to find out.

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with the option to receive a duel invite turned off, I'd love to know how someone is going to badmouth you about it oO that makes no sense at all. not dueling is the same as not wanting to do anything else. there's always people that don't want to duel, even pvp addicts don't want it now n then, that's why the option to deny a request is there. people tend to respect it, and move on.

I'd be up for seeing dueling in the game as long as both players had to agree to it.

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Originally Posted by Giit

with the option to receive a duel invite turned off, I'd love to know how someone is going to badmouth you about it oO that makes no sense at all. not dueling is the same as not wanting to do anything else. there's always people that don't want to duel, even pvp addicts don't want it now n then, that's why the option to deny a request is there. people tend to respect it, and move on.

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a person can respect it but then you have the idiots that don't respect it. It happens a lot. I'd still rather see it in specific areas that aren't connected to where people have to walk around. Arenas are a great idea duel request in an arena isn't unreasonable. You have to remember that just because you won't do that that doesn't mean everyone else follows your same example or does the same thing you do.

I remember 14 years ago while playing nexus they introduced an area that allowed pvp... problem was it was open pvp to anyone who walked into that area... good thing was people wanted it bad thing to get to certain places you HAD to go through that area to get where you wanted to go... and people would take advantage of it especially the rogues with their invis spell and quick attack then back the person would die all their gear and loot would drop and you're sitting there even if your lvl 99 going wtf my breakable crap just broke because some idiot killed me when I didn't want to be killed.

thus I'd rather just have it in certain areas and not open and areas nor do i like being spammed by players wanting to fight me all the time like they did when i was play dc universe online.