Benchmark 1.1 Feedback - Viera

Overall I'm much happier with the changes, I still feel that the detail in the nose is still lighter than before but still, the rest is much better
The colored eyelash came back and the paint on the face is no longer clipping

I tried to take the photos at the same angle as before, to be fair, and that was the best achieved , I also took a picture with the new bg1 lighting to give a better notion of light on the face

https://imgur.com/iYPvVXr.png

Here is a close up picture to see the eyelashes better, since the hair is a light color a little difficult to see, but in dark hair to see the difference better

https://imgur.com/OnIlGpF.png https://imgur.com/PGKtGbg.png

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Originally Posted by Pocan

https://i.imgur.com/2fBuVxA.jpeg

Here is a close up picture to see the eyelashes better, since the hair is a light color a little difficult to see, but in dark hair to see the difference better

https://i.imgur.com/IK6hNmS.png https://i.imgur.com/b57xsuA.png

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well thank you!! ♥

just fixed :D

Did they fix the Veena pupil size? I play veena but one of my eyes is jet black [so 1 pupil always looks smaller regardless] and I also use the small iris option so I can't tell x_x

https://i.imgur.com/o1bUePI.png

https://i.imgur.com/YbzMDX8.png

goodbye weird eyeliner! i still think it's a little dark and i feel something is still a little off though i really can't tell what... but overall i'm quite satisfied with the fixes. thank you so much for the work SE

Sad to see Face 2 still has the busted lip filler, but it at least looks a little better with the new lighting... (just a little) and I was able to find a sort of close enough mouth replacement that I can fantasia to, so I'll be happy enough I suppose. It's not ideal but I can deal. Also nice to see that the nose bridge looks flat again, as opposed to the first benchmark, where it looked weirdly rounded off for whatever reason
https://i.imgur.com/Q3UDNHF.png

It's pretty clear to see that the light improved so much and the darkened nose is gone. I'm ready for Dawntrail, let'ts go!

6.58
https://i.imgur.com/YuZc6m8.png

BM 1.0
https://i.imgur.com/1nWxBO4.png

BM 1.1
https://i.imgur.com/taNBdHL.png

I think the pictures ilustrate better the improvements. Thank you dev team for your hard work!

So below you'll see Current, Bench 1, and then Bench 2.

https://i.imgur.com/pFaMlZk.png

She got a little bit pale, skin tone is less cocoa brown. And her hair is a bit too bright.

Made some minor color adjustments to get her closer to the original. Guess I'll be using that fantasia to tweak her a bit.

https://i.imgur.com/NKGKzLC.png

She turned out pretty well. I'm satisfied.

https://i.imgur.com/PEbszw3.png

Also, she looking SO GOOD with the indoor lighting! I can't stop looking at this picture.

much more satisfied, still a little sad he looks "soft" but the look of exhaustion makes up for it. also a bit confused on why they made black look more dark brown :thonk:

https://imgur.com/TPQZc6T.png

Just reposting myself here too because I'm so happy with how he looks!

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Originally Posted by OgruMogru

Previous comparison:
https://i.imgur.com/YZrdAOu.png

Today's update:
https://i.imgur.com/aXhg8Ph.png

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The new one looks much better :D The hair texture got finally updated as well xD

https://snowroark.xyz/wp-content/upl...arkcompare.gif

i also play veena, i got the impression that the pupil is a little bigger then before, micro difference, but im not sure, it can be only the light/shadows

edit: i just saw a few people saying that they did not fix the veena pupil, idk, i though it was fine

I'm frustrated the nose smudge on male viera face 1 is still brown. My boy has charcoal colored skin, so the brown just makes it look... like he has allergies or something. In the regular game, it's more of a black smudge which goes with all skin colors. I don't know if this is intended or not, but I don't like the color change.

Given the various unrealistic and realistic skin tones and shades that characters in the game can come in I hope all are and continue to be equally accommodated when it comes to the lighting and shading! Overall happy with the update. https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...48610fca33.jpg

nvm i gaslit myself lol

So I need help deciding after seeing the lipchanges stayed. Should I go with the massive lips and a bit larger chin to balance it out or should I stay with the smaller lips? I think Im switching eyecolours to this purple (used to be blue)
https://i.imgur.com/XgffdtE.png
https://i.imgur.com/O1uKapy.png
https://i.imgur.com/qq3EM9h.pnghttp://

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Originally Posted by Pocan

https://imgur.com/OnIlGpF.png https://imgur.com/PGKtGbg.png

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There appears to be no bun detail. There's a smudge and that's it.

My Rava - face1 changed pretty significantly. From the alluring smirk to the tired "b**ch" face - yes, her expression is now more like Aura than Viera;).
It is caused by the slighty changed lip shape, also eyebrows changed shape and looks a little more thick, and at the same time less expressive.
This is caused by the "Facial" features -Thick eyebrows option which changes the eyebrow shape in bench 1.1 but in live version, it retains eyebrow shape and only makes it slightly thicker.

But my biggest complain is... black hair color still looks hoary and gray, as in char creator so in benchmark cinematics. This was obviously not fixed from original benchmark.

Again this problem affect only my Viera character, on Highlander and Miqo the black color is more or less the same as in live version, which is really strange, like they forgot to update hair highlights for viera hairstyles but is fine for other races i tested.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/84bb8a10...9cb5930d9f.pnj

I'm more or less satisfied with how my character looks both compared to the current graphics and the first benchmark, but one thing that still bugs me is that the male viera face 1 eye 'tattoo' is still slightly less opaque than it use to be. I don't have the best comparison screenshot because I'm not currently subbed while taking a break for a few weeks, so this is the best I can do:

https://64.media.tumblr.com/02014d12...011d59a1af.pnj

It also seems to be slightly more downturned than before, but that's not really the problem. It isn't the end of the world, but it's sort of a key feature for why I picked that face in the first place, so I'd like to keep it.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

nvm i gaslit myself lol

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Imo, the second screen is closer in appearance to your actual Viera. By the way, purple is a lovely chose for the eye colour.

I wish I could check mine, but console player on Mac here… no benchmark possible!
so I will have to struggle with massive queues on release date to adapt my character on the new graphics. (Glad they updated the fantasia phials)

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Originally Posted by Gwen_Lavellan

Imo, the second screen is closer in appearance to your actual Viera. By the way, purple is a lovely chose for the eye colour.

I wish I could check mine, but console player on Mac here… no benchmark possible!
so I will have to struggle with massive queues on release date to adapt my character on the new graphics. (Glad they updated the fantasia phials)

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My message was for LuciaMirain, sorry !

Still internet issue here and I HATE the forum mobile interface…

I like the benchmark update - the lighting, especially, is 100 times better and more pleasing to the eye. My main issues with the 1st benchmark were the flatness of the face, the dead eyes, and the weird lip colour/lipstick. Thankfully, these aspects have been updated. However, one thing I actually *enjoyed* in the 1st benchmark was that for the face I use (male Viera face nr 3) they darkened the nose shading. But in the updated benchmark, I was disappointed to see that it's practically gone now. It's barely visible on pale characters, let alone on darker-skinned ones.

BASE GAME/NO BENCHMARK

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...762&height=357

BENCHMARK 1

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...7d6da5d6562ef&

BENCHMARK 2

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...940b654d15fc4&

Nose shading is practically gone. And not only on dark skin. Here's my friend's Viera, same face:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...343f26ad01195&

Here is my female Viera character for comparison (note how much lighter the nostril area is):

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...96e6715ba02f6&

I am aware of the fact that some people complained about the nose shading being "too dark" in benchmark 1 - however, getting rid of it/making it barely visible is not the way to go. I love how Viera are designed as a race and their noses are a unique racial trait - if one wishes to remove that trait, then they are no longer Viera, but simply a Hyur with bunny ears. To me, it's the equivalent of getting rid of the scales on Au'Ra or removing fangs from Miqo'te.

There is a nose shading toggle for face 1 - I think the solution for this nose fiasco would be adding a nose shading toggle for ALL faces, both Rava and Veena.

I think it's imperative to take into consideration how character-building shows on darker skin. A lot of details disappear or are barely visible once you choose anything that's not pale skin and it's disappointing to see this still happening after so many complaints from people, sigh.

A lot happier with my character after this update.
The face isn't as flat as before and the lips blend with the skin much better. No more dead eyes and more importantly, the darker nose is gone. It completely changed my character and I didn't like it at all, although it would be nice to have it as an option.

Endwalker / Previous benchmark / Current benchmark
https://i.imgur.com/VG8YULD.png

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Originally Posted by Gwen_Lavellan

Imo, the second screen is closer in appearance to your actual Viera. By the way, purple is a lovely chose for the eye colour.

I wish I could check mine, but console player on Mac here… no benchmark possible!
so I will have to struggle with massive queues on release date to adapt my character on the new graphics. (Glad they updated the fantasia phials)

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Hey if you want Idm getting your details and putting it into the benchmark so you can see how she will look :)
And after talking to friends they were in agreement that the larger lips and purple eyes are more in tune with who I am and who they know my character to be. So I think I will go for it. :)

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

Hey if you want Idm getting your details and putting it into the benchmark so you can see how she will look :)
And after talking to friends they were in agreement that the larger lips and purple eyes are more in tune with who I am and who they know my character to be. So I think I will go for it. :)

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I’m glad to see your friends share my opinion:) I don’t know you personally but I know your Viera very well because of your beautiful screens here and on FB ^^
Plus, purple goes well with your usual hair colour.

That’s so sweet of you ! If you have the time I would like to see of my char will look. :)

I’ll grab my settings in a few moments and I’ll post them here. Many thanks!

Old benchmark vs new:

https://i.imgur.com/k75WuYS.png

Current vs new:

https://i.imgur.com/exvwK4Q.png

Really happy with the changes now that he doesn't look like a corpse. I do wish the eyebrows weren't so thinned out, but that's my only complaint now.

LuciaMirain : there it is :)

Rava
Face 3
Skin tone: row 1, line 13 (Rgb 154,115,101)
Haircut: the one on my forum icon
Hair colour: row 5 line 6
Hair highlights: row 2 line 8
Jaw 2
Eyes 3
Iris (Pupils?) : big
Eye colour: row 2, line 21
Eyebrows: 3
Nose 3
Mouth 1 (but if you can also show me with 3 as well, because lips are now bigger and I’m considering switching for 3)
Lip Color ; translucent, row 3 line 6
Ears 1 , length 60
Distinctive signs : both on the 1st line (eyebrows and jewel), second on the 2nd line (second eyeliner option)
No tats
Make up 3 on the first line
Opaque, row 6 line 10

Her look in game for comparison:
https://i.imgur.com/FGs4RrY.jpg

Thank you again <3

Lips still needs fixing as many people have pointed out but for me the eyelash textures NEED a rework.
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...fd17f3b2a9.jpg

I don't have screenshots ready, but just to add my feedback:
My Face 3 male Veena, I was always super happy with, the first benchmark was already amazing, I loved how his expression turned up the mischievous air more - perfect. I wasn't a fan of the dark nose smudge, and now that that's gone too, I'm even happier.
My Face 4 male Veena looked weird and off in the first benchmark, something about it that I couldn't explain seemed to change his features completely, and I grudgingly got used to the thought of Face 1 as an alternative. The new benchmark really surprised me there, I gave Face 4 another go, wasn't even optimistic, but now he looks great, even better than in the current live game, so great job there, many thanks SE, he can have his normal face model after all.

(Edit for typo)

Hey there !

Thank you for the Benchmark changes.

Unfortunately, it seems that there are still existing issues in the design of viera face 3, especially concerning the lips. Something is wrong, my viera who had a cute smile before is kinda sulking now. Bottom lips need to be softer or something. I tried many colors but I didn't find any solution.

I am very disappointed and I consider using a filter... :(

imgsli link for preview : https://imgsli.com/MjY5ODQ3

BEFORE - 6.58
https://i.imgur.com/ezSX9Sg.png

AFTER - BENCHMARK
https://i.imgur.com/UWX0Mhy.png

LIPS COMPARISON
https://i.imgur.com/dlOzmas.png

Okay...

Generally, I'm very happy with the changes at least for face 3 on male Viera. I definitely prefer the way their eyes and lips look in the new benchmark over live.

My only point of concern, really, is that the bunny nose became nearly invisible on them. It was already barely there on this face, and in the new benchmark you need to actively squint to see it, especially on darker skintones.

It's not a change I can't deal with, so it wouldn't be the end of the world for me if it stays this way, but I also think it's a shame to take it away, as it's a feature that is intergral to this race identity. Especially when there's face 1, and also female Viera who have their fuzzy bunny tip perfectly intact (as they should).

https://i.ibb.co/ZhKbH4Y/1.png

https://i.ibb.co/9rNnWL7/2.png

Regarding the benchmark cinematic: Elja still looks like black hole incarnate, but it's not as bad as it is in live, so I'm content.

https://i.ibb.co/ynQ5ygW/ffxiv-04062024-180413-049.png

https://i.ibb.co/7rbKHmS/ffxiv-04062024-180523-761.png

https://i.ibb.co/NZ25pV9/2024-06-04-181723.png

I'm still seeing the same issues I had before with the old benchmark. Low resolution textures, missing racial or facial fdeatures, shape of a few facial features changed.
https://i.imgur.com/9pC0hRw.jpeg

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Originally Posted by HildyElaHita

Hey there !

Thank you for the Benchmark changes.

Unfortunately, it seems that there are still existing issues in the design of viera face 3, especially concerning the lips. Something is wrong, my viera who had a cute smile before is kinda sulking now. Bottom lips need to be softer or something. I tried many colors but I didn't find any solution.

I am very disappointed and I consider using a filter... :(

BEFORE - 6.58
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...671&height=671

AFTER - BENCHMARK
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...671&height=671

ZOOM
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...350&height=350

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Is it me, or Veena eyes colours pop more ? (In a good way imo).

But the lips…. Yeah, that’s not ok unfortunately. The lighting give me a kind of “bad lip contouring” feeling.
As for the the cute smile gone away, that’s a shame. I remember Clover reporting the same issue on her Viera .

Lip shape are an important part of the face, like the eyes. SE did great with the update and new benchmark saves eyes for most of the players but I’m reading a ton of concern for the lips by A LOT of the community.

I’m adding my voice to SE to improve this !

https://i.imgur.com/4MsohvS.png
Everything i had issue with in the previous one got fixed! <3
I'm happy with the updated version

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Originally Posted by HildyElaHita

Hey there !

Thank you for the Benchmark changes.

Unfortunately, it seems that there are still existing issues in the design of viera face 3, especially concerning the lips. Something is wrong, my viera who had a cute smile before is kinda sulking now. Bottom lips need to be softer or something. I tried many colors but I didn't find any solution.

I am very disappointed and I consider using a filter... :(

BEFORE - 6.58
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...671&height=671

AFTER - BENCHMARK
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...671&height=671

ZOOM
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...350&height=350

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Uhh... there is no smile? I tried so hard to look into both lips and there is literally no difference other than the shadow is different on the second picture. Maybe this is what confused you?

Generally, I like the changes, but F Viera Face 4 got the same treatment as F Au Ra face 4 did and the more angular nature of the face was rounded enough to change them quite a bit.

Here is a side by side comparison, the first in the line is current EW - the subsequent ones are from the DT Bench. And in many of the shots she now looks childish, especially with the Grid and Ul'dah back drops and that is a little disappointing since there are other options for a 'younger' look
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-gm?authuser=0

I also tried to get a visual of the rounding of the face. The DT face is showing as the transparent and you can see some rounding on the top part of the face.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-gm?authuser=0

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Originally Posted by HildyElaHita

Hey there !

Thank you for the Benchmark changes.

Unfortunately, it seems that there are still existing issues in the design of viera face 3, especially concerning the lips. Something is wrong, my viera who had a cute smile before is kinda sulking now. Bottom lips need to be softer or something. I tried many colors but I didn't find any solution.

I am very disappointed and I consider using a filter... :(

BEFORE - 6.58
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...671&height=671

AFTER - BENCHMARK
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...671&height=671

ZOOM
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...350&height=350

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It's an unfortunate side effect of the shadows being more accurate, sadly. :T
The original face had erroneous dark shadows in the corner of the mouth causing a fake ":]" to be interpreted, but if you follow the actual line of the lips, they're pretty 1:1 with the new version. The only difference is that the new version has subsurface scattering which dilutes those shadows with the light that's bouncing around in the skin.

Imo, I think it would be fine if they pushed up those lip corners just a bit to restore some of the illusion that was lost and make her look less... defeated?

I am for the most part happy with the changes to my character in the new benchmark. He looks much more like himself again.

https://i.gyazo.com/ab4cca6a7d15daf7...8b09532fc0.jpg

Observed changes:
- Soul has been returned to eyes
- Lower eyelashes no longer disappear when in shadow
- Redone texture of the face, weird chin/drawn on shadows on cheeks are gone
- Nose has been cleaned, perhaps a bit too clean but this is WAY preferable to the old benchmark, much better and closer to original
- Lips are better, not perfect like on live, but better

New issue/bug?
Eyelash extensions appear to clip strangely?

Old benchmark as example, similar to on live, the white lashes are full length
https://i.gyazo.com/37a5b9d4169f66f6...f9cdcb4a18.png

New benchmark, strange clipping/border. Lashes look a little bent.
https://i.gyazo.com/718719beab634e04...2274f9122d.png

I really hope they don't go back on the nose cleaning aspect. If nothing else, it should be an option in the facial features for those who like it. The nose is looking so much better now, way closer to what my character looks like currently.

And I'll be honest I wasn't bothered by the changes, but after the new benchmark I can't even imagine going back to its first version, it's superior in every way.

https://i.imgur.com/YPlH9jQ.png

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Originally Posted by HildyElaHita

Unfortunately, it seems that there are still existing issues in the design of viera face 3, especially concerning the lips. Something is wrong, my viera who had a cute smile before is kinda sulking now. Bottom lips need to be softer or something. I tried many colors but I didn't find any solution.

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I second this, I tried to take screenshots and drew over to show it more on my viera, using mouth type 1:
- Mouth corners seem to be lower than the middle of the mouth so it makes the mouth looks sulky
- From front, the lips look flatter; there was some kind of a tiny gap between lips before that made some depth to the lips, now it's a straight line
- The philtrum is larger in the benchmark, and the cupid bow is affected by it
- It also seems like the lips color are darker than before...

- Other than lips, it seems that the eyebrows are cut ? by the nose bridge (it looks cut whatever the nose type). It is only for face 3 with the 'more brows' option
- The eyeliner is a lighter black and doesn't blend well with the eyes like before... Is it possible to make the color darker?

https://i.imgur.com/EWc9Q1B.png

And another thing for male viera, for this hairstyle I feel like the shadow is very pixelated and also weirdly placed? The shadow is like this for every face.
https://i.imgur.com/NKT1Iqk.png