What classes/jobs would an average Garlean be capable of performing? [spoilers]

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It has been stated that most Garleans are wholly unable to manipulate aether, for reasons. This is likely the main reason why we haven't had them playable, as most jobs either explicitly or implicatively manipulate aether in the majority of their actions.

The thing is, 'manipulating aether' isn't super well defined in this context. All living things are made of 'usable' aether (or dynamis, but I think I can safely assume there aren't any Meteions walking around Garlemald), but is manipulating it or environmental aether an active or a passive process? Would absorbing aether from food be considered manipulating it? What about wielding another being's aether in the case of the Reaper?

Because it's a Sunday morning and I'm dead-bored of levelling jobs, I figured it might be a fun thought excersize to go through all the jobs and try to reason whether or not a Garlean would be able to perform them in any meaningful capacity.

Note that this is for pure-blooded Garleans and not just any member of the (now-defunct) empire, as the empire was known to conscript those of other races from conquered territories who could manipulate aether (and have been showcased doing so many times).

Feel free to let me know if you disagree with any of these.

Tier 0: Entirely Incapable
Jobs in this tier are entirely based around manipulating environmental aether, and no pure-blooded Garlean would be capable of performing them in any capacity reminiscent of the real job. Kind of obviously, this includes most DoM jobs.

• Dark Knight

A standout in this tier, a Dark Knight's abilities from the very start seem to harness their weird umbral power to enhance their strikes, visible even in the Lv. 1 skill Hard Slash. Perhaps if every Garlean had a Fray to evoke their deepest emotions, they might be able to squeeze something out subconsciously, but an average Garlean picking up a greatsword would probably be closer to a neutered Warrior than anything else.

• Astrologian
• Black Mage
• Blue Mage
• Pictomancer
• Summoner
• White Mage

For obvious reasons.

Tier 1: Barely Capable
Jobs in this tier might be adoptable by a Garlean, but they wouldn't get very far before encountering a major roadblock.

• Monk

You can punch, and you can change your stance, but what happens when your trainer tells you to meditate and open your Chakras at Lv. 15? If they're aetheric in nature, would a Garlean be able to manage their ability to manipulate aether by opening them? What even is a Chakra in the context of Final Fantasy? I'm going to err on the side of "no" for Garleans.

• Paladin

Any Gladiator can swing a sword, but there's something very fundamental to being an actual Paladin (namely, their holy magic, which can be assumed to augment their abilities) that would be beyond the godless, aetheric-less Garleans. Learning Riot Blade at Lv. 4 would be awkward considering a Garlean has no MP to restore, and they would probably lose all their momentum at Lv. 30 with Spirits Within.

• Red Mage

Despite being a mage, 2 of RDM's first 10 learned abilities are actually basic weapon attacks with their rapier. Being their unenchanted versions, it might not be too far out of the realm of imagination for a Garlean to wield such a sword... but good luck getting a Jolt off.

• Sage

Sage nouliths are odd, because it's a bit difficult for me to tell if they are a conduit for the Sage's abilities, or if they are independently manipulating aether while the Sage commands them. Either way, a Garlean would likely not get far, as while they might be able to get off a Dosis by simply commanding the nouliths to do it, anything beyond that would require too much knowledge and sense of aetherology.

• Scholar

If I'm recalling the Scholar job quests correctly, Eos just kind of appears when the WoL picks up the job stone, and isn't explicitly summoned by them. So, assuming she can take verbal commands, a full-power Eos would be capable of doing some healing alongside a Garlean handler, but nowhere near enough to heal in any decent capacity.

Tier 2: Decently Capable
If you saw a low-level Garlean using a class/job from this tier, you'd probably be able to accurately peg what class/job they were using. However, similarly to last tier, they'd hit a pretty big roadblock at a certain point, but not before actually getting a rotation under their belt.

• Bard

The placement of Bard on this list mainly has to do with the nature of how their songs work. A fantasy Bard in the more classical sense might buff their allies through the simple act of inspiration through their music, which gives them a lot of leeway in how far in their class they might be able to go. Most Archer abilities boil down to different ways of shooting an arrow, and I'm sure any Garlean would be able to inspire through song given enough practice. But when you get to having said songs directly alter your rotation, things start to get a little muddy. Also, Windbite lulz

• Dancer

In all honesty, I didn't know where to place Dancer. The flamboyancy of their kit lends itself to both being mundane enough and also wildly aetheromatic. Conservatively (e.g. "How do you get the chakrams to come back to you without aether?) they'd be dead in the water in Tier 0. Liberally (e.g. Dancing makes you do more damage by pumping you up, and you somehow carry an infinite amount of fans and feathers on your person), they could be in Tier 3 or 4. As a tradeoff, they go here.

• Dragoon

The majority of Lancer abilities up to Lv. 45 are just different ways of stabbing someone with a spear. However, as Estinien tells us, most of a Dragoon's strength comes from the aether of the Eye of Nidhogg (or some secret second thing after the events of Heavensward), and... well, there you go.

• Ninja

Ignoring Shade Shift at Lv 2., you can stab, slash, and mug until your arms fall off. Then you're expected to become Naruto at Lv. 30 and things get a bit complicated. Poor Thancred had to abandon more than you might think...

• Warrior

A lot of Warrior abilities are just either swinging the axe (Heavy Swing, Maim, Overpower, Tomahawk, Mythril Tempest...) or being built different in fun and unique ways (Berserk, Infuriate, Equilibrium). Because these abilities are suggested (at least in the Warrior job questline) to be tied to one's emotion, one could assume that the more aetheric Warrior abilities just happen, the same way absorbing aether from food just happens. A Garlean Marauder might be able to tank up to Darkhold and live to tell the tale. Things start to fall apart pretty quickly after that, though.

• Viper

Don't know a ton about the Viper or its abilities, but it can be assumed that while one would be able to hack and slash with swords, a big glowing dual-blade would be beyond the ken of the average Garlean.

Tier 4: Fully Capable, Given The Right Circumstances
With a few minor changes to how the class works, or given extraordinary circumstances, a Garlean would be capable of performing this job to its fullest.

• Machinist

Everything with Machinist weighs on the aetherotransformer, the root of the class. It is stated that it is "a device which converts the wearer's innate mana into the lightning-aspected energy". Now, if this is a passive act and doesn't require the Machinist to manually funnel their aether into the device, then boom, Garlean Machinists for days. One might also be able to handwave creating a ceruleum aetherotransformer analogue, as is the case for most magitek. Then, we just have to assume that every Machinist action solely uses the aetherotransformer with no manipulation from the Machinist themselves, and you're set.

• Samurai

We see Zenos, a Garlean pureblood, adopt something that resembles the Samurai job. However, it is implied that his use of this job mainly comes from the very shiny blades he has attached to his hip at all times, which have unique aether-manipulating abilities inherent in them. There you go! Find the right sword, and you too can be a Mentor Roulette weeb.


Tier 4: Fully Capable
The two jobs in this tier have full lore reasons for being able to be used by the aetherically-stunted.

• Gunbreaker

Several times in the MSQ, we see Garleans use something akin to a gunblade, though it's never entirely confirmed if this is the same technology used by the Hrothgar that eventually became the WoL's job. Thankfully, we have Thancred. After his misadventures with Lahabrea and Y'shtola's funny spell, Thancred is no longer capable of manipulating aether. However, this does not stop him from adopting a gunblade in Shadowbringers, capable enough in the job to fully tank or DPS alongside the WoL. He does have to get his cartridges from an outside source (as opposed to the WoL making them by hand, I guess?), but considering there are numerous Garlean machinations capable of condensing aether, this wouldn't be too far of a stretch.

• Reaper

The entire basis of the Reaper's lore is that Garleans looked to voidsent to manipulate aether where they were not able to. Again, Zenos is the standout example of this, though he only became a Reaper after his fusion with Shinryu, so he probably isn't only using Zero. Nevertheless, the lore confirms that Garleans can be Reapers.

All classes manipulate aether to a certain extent except for Reaper and the Gunbreaker who can do it if they have a friend. Garlean gunblades are specifically something entirely different than Bozjan gunblades and are a mockery of theirs because Bozjan gunblades don't actually shoot bullets.

Almost every single job ability is imbued with aether and people even use aether for hitting things harder or lifting things heavier than they should normally be able to do so.

As for Machinist, the Machinist is calling forth the aether stored in their transformer to do things so while the conversion may be passive, the use of it isn't necessarily so.


That all said, I would like to see more Garleans show up randomly in stories now that they no longer have to be a traitor to be a good guy and it would be nice to see a questline that's a Garlean trying multiple different jobs like Tataru.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

All classes manipulate aether to a certain extent except for Reaper and the Gunbreaker who can do it if they have a friend. Garlean gunblades are specifically something entirely different than Bozjan gunblades and are a mockery of theirs because Bozjan gunblades don't actually shoot bullets.

Almost every single job ability is imbued with aether and people even use aether for hitting things harder or lifting things heavier than they should normally be able to do so.

As for Machinist, the Machinist is calling forth the aether stored in their transformer to do things so while the conversion may be passive, the use of it isn't necessarily so.


That all said, I would like to see more Garleans show up randomly in stories now that they no longer have to be a traitor to be a good guy and it would be nice to see a questline that's a Garlean trying multiple different jobs like Tataru.

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There's probably still enough of a stigma surrounding them, especially in places like southern Ilsabard, that they'd stay undercover like Lucia or the refugees in the RPR quests. I don't think many apart from Nero would be willing to walk around with their third eye uncovered.

I would call Ninja Tier 3.5. The reason is in the Ninja Questline we fight against Garlean Ninjas that use Abilities that mimic the Ninja Mudra Abilities like Katon.

Dragoon uses aether for it's jumps and relieve their falls to begin with, Nidho eye is not an aether battery we are taking it from, which is gone after SB btw so don't know how it works, it resonates with us giving us access to said abilities, but it's nothing THAT direct, and even then Garleans issue is aether manipulation to begin with

On DT trailer you see Estinien use an enchanted jump with Aether, on SHB trailer Derplander uses it to stay in the air and make several dashes
Tldr: DRG rely on Aether same as the others, mainly to jump, stay on air and relief their falls

So outside of Lancer, Garlean DRG is highly impossible

I think Bard could be moved into fully capable given the right circumstances tier. Garleans very likely have access to audio recording, and engineering technologies, and they absolutely have access to radio broadcasting. A magitek bard could play their music through a portable cerulium powered amplifier that charges the soundwaves with aether, and be just as capable. They also likely have access to composite material technologies to allow them to make extremely high draw weight compound bows so the archery bit is also covered.

A Garlean Bard class with a Magitek boombox would be amazing.

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Originally Posted by Asdif_Laoeg

I would call Ninja Tier 3.5. The reason is in the Ninja Questline we fight against Garlean Ninjas that use Abilities that mimic the Ninja Mudra Abilities like Katon.

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The Garlean ninjas I remember - called Imperial Shadows/Nightshadows, are Elezen and Hyur, not the actual true-blood Garlean race with the third eye and lack of aether manipulation. Elezen, Hyur, Roegadyn, and even Miqo’te appear in the Garlean army and they make use of them for being able to manipulate aether.

I don’t remember anything about full Garleans mimicking ninjutsu (though it could’ve happened and I forgot) and most of a ninja’s job is spycraft and subterfuge which I think a full-blooded Garlean would do really poorly at. While that was still technically Lucia’s job, she was easily figured out on her first spy mission. Every other Garlean secret agent we meet is Elezen or Hyur.


One thing I wonder, is if half-Garleans who have the third eye like Severa can manipulate aether or if any amount of non-Garlean blood allows them to do so. I’m suspicious about whether or not the Garlean race is fully “true-blooded”.

At least in our world, there’s no one who is 100% anything and human history is all about people migrating around and mixing with different populations. We even did the Neanderthals and Denisovans in that way. Garleans aren’t that different from Hyur and a bunch of them even have Midlander bodies. They’re practically identical to Hyur so I don’t think anyone would be too put off from consensually having babies with them and we see that in Jenomis’ family.

its important to differentiate between classes and jobs.

there are some strong npcs who only uses classes, like raubahn or some of the guildmasters.

also ingame npcs arent as strongly bound to the job system. zenos isnt a full fletched samurai in terms of the 'job samurai' as we know it. nobody ever called him samurai ingame. he compensates his lack of magic through pure strength.

Garlean in general might not able to conjure or weave Aether, they still can use Dynamis as the power source or use technology to weave Aether.

Jobs that use very little of Dynamis and Aether,
Reaper

Jobs that mainly use Dynamis as main source of power, and with some Aether usage.
Dark Knight
Warrior
Bard
Dancer

Jobs that have a balanced usage of both Dynamis and Aether
Dragoon
Samurai
Monk
Paladin
Astrologian
White Mage
Red Mage

Job that mainly use Aether as main source of power, and only use Dynamis in form of Limit Break
Gunbreaker
Black Mage
Summoner
Scholar
Sage
Machinist
Ninja

Garlean should able to became Warrior, Bard, and Dancer due it's a more Dynamis oriented Class

However, GNB, Sage and Machinist despite being an aether heavy job, these job are also more technology focused, thus it can circumvented with artificial tools such as Aether Cartridges

Lore wise, DRK don't really use Aether , only does gameplay wise as edge/flood of shadow cost MP to use. Therefore, a Garlean shouldn't have any no trouble becoming a DRK so long the said Garlean is not a psychopath.

Summoner too despite being an Aether heavy job as well, but Ultima Weapon has perfectly demonstrated how to harness Primal power without needing to summon one, as all Garlean need to do is condense the Ultima Weapon's Primal Summoning Technology into a codex.

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Originally Posted by Zadood

Garlean in general might not able to conjure or weave Aether, they still can use Dynamis as the power source or use technology to weave Aether.

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I don't think any of the jobs are using dynamis regularly, let alone for the limit break. I was under the impression that was a one-time thing while we were inside of a realm filled with dynamis instead of aether. While dynamis might trigger a limit break even though the lore around it seems a little hazy, the lore books describe the actual limit break itself as being formed of aether. You need to remember that even the Ancients were able to limit break despite not being able to interact with dynamis.

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Lore wise, DRK don't really use Aether , only does gameplay wise as edge/flood of shadow cost MP to use.

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The lore books describe DRK, BRD, and DNC as using aether for their abilities.


The lore books doubles-down on dynamis being a comparatively weak force so outside the main story of Endwalker or in one specific zone I don't think it will have much relevancy.

I would just throw out that quote by Arthur C Clark:

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”

They would never be able to do things exactly as we do them, but with enough tech, i would wager they could do a version of every class.

They might have tinctures, explosives, or mechanized exoskeletons to assist in things, but they could certainly “look the look”.

They sort of imply that almost everything in FF14 is aether based, I mean an apple is solidified aether, its everything including all powers (other than dynamis).

I assumed that "not able to use aether" didn't just mean can't form it but also can't direct it so no machinists. I really only see Gunbreaker as being viable, maybe Samurai and Warrior with a very liberal non-aetheric interpretation of their abilities and even then Kenki sounds too much like a facet of aether to me.

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Originally Posted by Sacae

A Garlean Bard class with a Magitek boombox would be amazing.

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That sounds honestly like an amazing job idea, give them a guitar too!.

I feel like many of the jobs could have their Garlean Magitek toolkit to compensate for the lack of aether, such as garlean Gunblades, the Gunshields we have seen for a paladin-type class, Pets for "summoning" as we have seen Pagaga and Lyon, and so on.

A Garlean summoner could be a mix between SMN+MCH, calling forth magitek drones and automatons to do their skills.

A Garlean Scholar could be more as the job fantasy describes, using math and formulas rather than aether and the fairy.

A Garlean Archer could use a crossbow with augmented bolts and traps instead of the harp-bows.

A Garlean Warrior could ditch the light armor for a heavy duty power suit (imagine warhammer or fallout)

And so many cool concepts you can come up with by mixing in magitek as something we could have access to, with the lack or existance of aether regardless

We do have some in-lore evidence of Garleans using magic under special circumstances, btw. In one of the Tales from the Storm, Zenos manages to use magic by implanting crystals in his wrists. It hurts him a lot, though.

Something could probably be done with that.

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Originally Posted by Sacae

We do have some in-lore evidence of Garleans using magic under special circumstances, btw. In one of the Tales from the Storm, Zenos manages to use magic by implanting crystals in his wrists. It hurts him a lot, though.

Something could probably be done with that.

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Zenos is an special experiment gone "good"

On the other side you have the ones that went bad, really really bad, on Castrum Alabania

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ebu7IWqX0AU9obW.png

If you see close, you can see the Garlean thingy on the middle of the head

Now of course for the sake of convenience you could just say same as Zenos it went good but damn the consequences are something