digital art for gil= RMT?

My friend recently got a warning about having his cardd info in his adventure plate showing that he does digital commisions for gil. and someone reported him under the guise of RMT and i was just want clarification if doing digital commisions for gil is considered RMT of any kind, since its not a physical currency and no money is being transferred that is usable in real life

hmm, you're trading an out of game resource for an in-game resource, I suppose I could see an argument that when the in-game/out of game line is crossed for these sort of transactions, it 'could' be considered sus?

That said, for me the advertising part on the adventure plate is what I find sketchy.

Unless you consider art worthless, then yes it's RMT.
The M in RMT doesn't always specifically refer to a currency.

Real Money Trading (RMT) is the buying and selling of in-game data (items, characters, etc.) in exchange for real life currency. This type of activity is prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Action will be taken against users who have initiated RMT transactions, as well as users who join RMT transactions.

- Lodestone FAQ https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...20transactions.

■Real-Money Trading (RMT)
RMT refers to an act of directly or indirectly transferring, assigning, lending, borrowing, or delegating in-game data or in-game activity for compensation (which include currency, goods, property, currency available outside of our services, character(s), item(s), point(s), data, information, etc.) or assisting in this type of behavior. If RMT activity is verified, a penalty will be issued.

Examples of RMT include offering or receiving compensation for the following:

- Accounts
- Characters
- In-game currency (gil)
- In-game services
- In-game items
- In-game activities (such as selling clears)

* Items and gil obtained through third-party tools or RMT can affect the game's economic stability and disrupt gameplay balance. Moreover, some third-party programs contain viruses and spyware that can harm players; this can lead to unauthorized disclosure of users' personal data, character deletion, identity theft, and other unfortunate circumstances.

Even if you are not actually involved in the transaction of RMT, if you offer or advertise RMT, you are aiding and encouraging the act of RMT. For this reason, this is considered RMT.
The codes that are included with books and merchandise, as well as codes purchased on the FINAL FANTASY XIV Online Store, are purchased in the real world using real-world currency. Exchanging them for in-game currency or items is also considered RMT.

Please note that Square Enix may conduct investigations and issue a penalty in its discretion even if a report has not been filed.

- FFXIV Prohibited Activities https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...la=1&kid=68216

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Originally Posted by 1313

Real Money Trading (RMT) is the buying and selling of in-game data (items, characters, etc.) in exchange for real life currency. This type of activity is prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Action will be taken against users who have initiated RMT transactions, as well as users who join RMT transactions.

- Lodestone FAQ https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...20transactions.

■Real-Money Trading (RMT)
RMT refers to an act of directly or indirectly transferring, assigning, lending, borrowing, or delegating in-game data or in-game activity for compensation (which include currency, goods, property, currency available outside of our services, character(s), item(s), point(s), data, information, etc.) or assisting in this type of behavior. If RMT activity is verified, a penalty will be issued.

Examples of RMT include offering or receiving compensation for the following:

- Accounts
- Characters
- In-game currency (gil)
- In-game services
- In-game items
- In-game activities (such as selling clears)

* Items and gil obtained through third-party tools or RMT can affect the game's economic stability and disrupt gameplay balance. Moreover, some third-party programs contain viruses and spyware that can harm players; this can lead to unauthorized disclosure of users' personal data, character deletion, identity theft, and other unfortunate circumstances.

Even if you are not actually involved in the transaction of RMT, if you offer or advertise RMT, you are aiding and encouraging the act of RMT. For this reason, this is considered RMT.
The codes that are included with books and merchandise, as well as codes purchased on the FINAL FANTASY XIV Online Store, are purchased in the real world using real-world currency. Exchanging them for in-game currency or items is also considered RMT.

Please note that Square Enix may conduct investigations and issue a penalty in its discretion even if a report has not been filed.

- FFXIV Prohibited Activities https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...la=1&kid=68216

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damn it! they have it all covered xD

Huh...so doing digital commisions for gil...is RMT? lmao

Selling art for gil counts as RMT? Jesus, talk about keeping a short leash...

people people.
Money isn't the only way to pay people xD
We have barter.
and services
and *cough* favors* :P
basically, ass, cash or grass

I suppose the idea of trading/selling a real item with value (art can be sold for money) for in game currency makes it RMT. Kinda weird though.

So in summary: keep advertising to Discord servers.

Just don't be like the people that think it's cool to DM strangers and beg for commissions. It's not.

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Originally Posted by Sciris

My friend recently got a warning about having his cardd info in his adventure plate showing that he does digital commisions for gil. and someone reported him under the guise of RMT and i was just want clarification if doing digital commisions for gil is considered RMT of any kind, since its not a physical currency and no money is being transferred that is usable in real life

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Yeah it's rmt lol.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

So in summary: keep advertising to Discord servers.

Just don't be like the people that think it's cool to DM strangers and beg for commissions. It's not.

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Second this. If you do it on discord, do not DM random people - people get banned from FFXIV servers on the spot for this because it's an extremely common scam.

That being the case, it would be logical for SE to be on the lookout for this extremely common discord scam.

I actually find it weird so many people are finding it weird.
Why would this have ever been okay?

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I actually find it weird so many people are finding it weird.
Why would this have ever been okay?

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Because paying for a real world service with a digital fake currency does not feel like paying for it at all. More like a little favor.

I feel like people are missing the R here, REAL Money Trade, there is no 'real money' involved in this scenario, someone is trading their time (the artist) for gil (in-game currency), it's the same deal as people selling runs for gil.

It's not RMT by sheer virtue of no money being involved.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post2776051

"While the creation of art can carry a different connotation than real money in terms of something to exchange for gil, your skills and the results of their application (in this case, art) are considered something of real world value. When considering it under this view, the exchange of art for in game currency would be considered a violation of the rules and may result in account actions."

I think it's the idea that it's crossing the bounds of a fully in-game transaction for in-game items or services out into IRL with a piece of artwork. For example, I've never seen any issue with venues hosting events where people trade gil for drinks and "services" and gamble with it, or people who do housing decor gil commissions, because none of those activities cross outside of the game world, while receiving a piece of digital art does.

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Originally Posted by Wyssahtyn

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post2776051

"While the creation of art can carry a different connotation than real money in terms of something to exchange for gil, your skills and the results of their application (in this case, art) are considered something of real world value. When considering it under this view, the exchange of art for in game currency would be considered a violation of the rules and may result in account actions."

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https://media1.tenor.com/m/csoYiZ9UP...a-top-that.gif

Same as lots of other things sure it may be banned/prohibited by TOS but at the end of the day how many people will actually care for it to the point of reporting it

If anything rather than the art for gil was advertising it on plate, cuz seen it more than once in PF and no one cared that much, ever