Feedback about the Benchmark

Hello, I wanted to make a thread for people to post their feedback about the Dawntrail Benchmark

Keep it to constructive criticism only and make sure to keep it civil, the dev team have worked incredibly hard on what they have shown us but I feel like there should be somewhere that people can voice changes / improvements they would like to see !

Firstly I would like to start off by saying that I would like to see the ability to turn off the Fur highlights on female Hrothgar but still be able to keep the Hair highlights this minor change would give people that wanted it tones of more options for character creation.

(having white hair highlights is a big part of my characters personality but I personally dont feel like they would have a white fur pattern/any at all.)

anyway post what you would like to see added or changed bellow but remember keep it civil and constructive!!:)

I would say do a second attempt at doing lips for almost every race. a lot were flattened, losing gloss & depth. some got the flat line treatment while some got butchered like the Au'ra face 2 one.

that's what come to my mind, beside bun nose looking a bit off

My main character is a male miqote (Seeker of the Sun) that utilizes Face 2 with both facial features. Something I noticed during the benchmark that I dislike is that certain angles in which the light hits the beard creates the illusion of a blue/gray tint on the beard close to the face. So far that is the only real issue I have with the changes to my WoL.

Photos can be found via link below as I'm new to the forum and still unsure how to post pictures in a reasonable size format lol

https://imgur.com/a/zpAowU2

Someone above had already mentioned Au Ra face two above. But to elaborate, my primary issue was the significant design change to the mouth; I was previously a Mouth Four user, but in the benchmark, I changed it to Mouth 1 to better suit my current character. I feel as though the mouth being shrunk and, in general, looking completely different is my primary issue with face two au ra; I think in the future, something that looks more faithful to the original mouths would be ideal as I feel the change while small is still too significant of a detraction.

Thanks for making this thread btw I think having a single thread condensed with people's issues will help the devs and community in the long run.

My one minor feedback, as a big hellsguard fan, is that the iconic hellsguard nose is a lot paler and subtle in the benchmark instead of being nearly black like it is right now. As it's my favorite trait of hellsguard I'd love if it was black/darker as it was before, or that we could maybe have a toggle/slider for them.

https://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/09/02/34/06/image10.pnghttps://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/09/02/34/06/image11.png

A toggle slider for the hellsguard noses would be great! Side note, your hellsguard looks *really* good in the benchmark. Definitely came out on top!

I personally really liked the little lip gap that this face had before the graphics update. I make an effort to angle a lot of my plates to show it off and I like how it makes my character look in cutscenes. I really hope that it could be brought back!

As an aside, I feel that midtone skin ranges (not fair but not dark) feel a bit too light. I'm no longer able to find a skin tone that matches what I originally had in mind for my character on seeker of the sun miqo'te.

https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...e07fbff286.jpg

I'm unsure if bug or intended but can we return the sharp angular canines to the female Keeper of the Moon Miqo'te that are present in 6.0


thanks

https://imgur.com/a/GUE0O2Q

Let me focus my feedback on the changes that happened to my character.

https://i.imgur.com/bPh6RDi.png
https://i.imgur.com/nn40a74.png

The makeup around the eyes has been darkened and thickened unnecessarily, creating an unnaturally dark mascara look that makes the eyes look hooded and sleepy.

The lip shape has been completely changed, making the lower lip look disproportionately large compared to the upper one, while at the same time it is further back on the face, creating a harsher overbite effect.

The lip texture has also been flattened; previously, the lip texture on this face had a kind of pleasing semi-realistic look to it, but now it looks flat and waxy. The colour of the lipstick has also been darkened and muddied.

https://i.imgur.com/xAlizBJ.png

In in-game lighting, this plus the new lighting system has rendered my character somewhat nightmarish looking, with dead eyes, overly dark makeup, and no visual definition between her neck and her chin.

Um, please give my cute lip texture back. And please bring back the light to my eyes.

I can only agree with you. It would be amazing to have fur without markings while still getting the option for multi colored hair!

While we are at it, it would also be nice if the original Hrothgar hairstyles had the option to be multi colored as well. It only worked for me with Meteor's hairstyle from the trailer...

I'd gerally appreciate more variety when it comes to Hrothgar fur colors. It's pretty much the same as hair color for other races, yet it lacks the many different color options. In my case I could really use a lilac color, as I want to create a Hrothgar version of my Miqo'te WOL.

I'd like to start this off by saying I'm really enjoying the female Hrothgar and am looking forward to playing as one come Dawntrail. However, When customizing a Hrothgar female on the benchmark (I'm unsure if it's the same for the males, I'll need to check),the eyes seem incredibly dull/flat as in no light or dimension is in them and they feel and look incredibly lifeless,in our current patch our characters eyes as a whole are very vibrant,shiny and noticable but for the benchmark they just look like a flat picture with very little light color/most dark colors are barely even noticable as a color other than black. I hope this can be changed/fixed in the future. On a minor sidenote I'd like to mention the voices for fem hroths imo seem to have much less range than other races aswell.

Edit; I would like to add that I appreciate all the effort from the devs for what they have done thus far though and understand this is a work in progress! I look forward to seeing all their hardwork in dawntrail (:

Hello, also posting here for feedback. I've included before and after images of my Face 1 Midlander hyur. I am enjoying a lot of the graphics updates, I only have minor concerns.

One of the reasons I liked the face I use, is because of the thick, dark eyeliner, and the tired look under the eyes but it seems in the update, the eyeliner/eye makeup is much thinner and the area under the eye is smoother. It feels as if my character's eyes have become smaller, which is something I am not fond of. Perhaps the eyes should be bigger, or perhaps the eye makeup could be made thicker. It was much of the reason why I used this face. This also may be a lighting difference, but it seems like the nostrils have been made wider than the original. Perhaps this could be tweaked?

Another minor thing is the beauty mark, especially the one on the chin. It is very large, almost like it was placed with a marker pen.

https://i.imgur.com/fjqfbT7.png
https://i.imgur.com/8FPQ1GR.png

Overall, good update, I think it just needs some tweaks. I look forward to future developments and Dawntrail.

It isn't noticeable on lighter skin tones, but on darker skin tones: the body is slightly desaturated compared to the new head. Hoping they're continuing to adjust the models before the release. Have seen people mention the shortening of the miqote fangs so I hope they revert those for their sake.

For character features, I have no complaints regarding my character. It's all a pretty good transition in my opinion.

But I do have a critique regarding how they implemented darker skin tones.

My character is a female roe Hellguard with brown skin and when I imported my settings for character creation, I noticed her skin had shifted to a desaturated dark brown look. In fact, all the dark skin tones had become more darker/muted/desaturated. I welcome access to darker skin tones, but the update has also essentially erased vibrant brown skin tones.

Attempts to use slightly lighter tones in the benchmark character creator all looked too pale/desaturated compared to her original look. I want my character to retain her original vibrancy and skin tone in the update.

Interestingly enough, when under indoor yellow lighting her vibrant brown coloring returns. It appears that the new graphics update might have altered the sunlight, making it a harsher white light, hence the desaturation. Meanwhile indoor lighting is essentially the same as before. For paler skin tones it's not that big of a change in appearance, but for darker skin tones it becomes very noticeable when light sources are altered. But that's just my working hypothesis for why my character's skin has lost some vibrancy while outdoors in the update.

Regardless, I hope they can tweak some settings to let me consistently have the vibrant brown skin I originally had for my character, be it adding back more saturation to the outdoor lighting so dark colors don't lose vibrancy in the sunlight or adding actual vibrant brown skin tones to character creation so players don't have to rely on lighting tricks for that vibrancy.

current client character

benchmark imported character

benchmark imported character indoor lighting

The only thing that's really bugging me so far is the upper body scaling on Female Hrothgar's armors. Shoulders and upper arms specifically seem waaay oversized for them on a lot of gear. Even with the racial set, which should be tailored to the model, the armbands are stuck out like 25% or so around the arms.

https://imgur.com/lrwEA8o

I can live with most of these, but it would be really nice to have them adjusted to fit the form better.

https://imgur.com/lrwEA8o

I love how my Miqo looks for the most part, I'm just disappointed that her clan marks look faded now compared to how they were before. I like them better darker. It seems other races with face-based markings were affected too- like Hellsguard Roegadyn's nose tip being lightened or the Viera's bunny nose being less prominent. A lot of people really liked the markings the way they were before, and I think it'd be best to restore them to their previous appearance.

https://imgur.com/a/VM8pVPK

Thanks for making this thread! I made my own post about this and don't want to clog up your thread with 3 posts but would like to link it here for ease of access. :)

Dawntrail Benchmark & Model Changes Feedback for M Viera

Hello! Posting some small issues I found.

First is the small hair flick on this hairstyle, it can be very noticeable if zooming in the character's head, left image is current patch and right is from the benchmark (for cutscenes reasons).

https://i.imgur.com/ojdU2b1.png


Second is about the tattoo paint options, while the face/skin texture has been updated but it seems the designs of the tattoos did not. The textures have still low resolution.


https://i.imgur.com/Qn7SyTz.png


Lastly I'm unsure if I just imagined it but the hair seems to have the self wind animation like they showed with the greenery/plants in the overworld back at the liveletter. Unless it was just the weather on the character customization, the animations seems to collide a little bit with the hair physics which doesn't look natural.

I'm fine with most of the changes on the graphic update but it's mainly due I don't have many alts and don't alter my character as much. Thank you for the hard work!

I don't like the new eyes on most characters, for some reason they made the top half of the eyeball incredibly dark, and they took away the nice glint that female Midlanders had.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLVhblGa...jpg&name=large

Male Midlander Face 7 has a rather sickly looking texture on the face that seems a bit much (I think they wanted to make him look rugged, but it didn't turn out that way), the stubble is also VERY LOW RES and as a result looks blurry, it gets lost in the new lighting and almost looks invisible at times. This is shocking to me since this is the face of the Warrior of Light but they let it look like this.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLVnshVb...jpg&name=large

Other thoughts: The new Dawntrail hairstyle looks nice but it's so detailed and layered that it makes every other older hairstyle look worse, they really *really* need to overhaul the older hairstyles to fit the new look of the game, and I mean more than just upscaled textures. The inconsistent visuals isn't a good look.