[Graphics Update Feedback] Eyebrows

https://i.imgur.com/Zx6FwCP.png
Male Viera - Face 3

Eyebrows are greatly reduced and is of a brighter colour ( went from black to grey)
The graphical update has made the eyebrows much thinner and WAY less refined.

Eyebrows greatly affect how a person look.
Meaning it has huge impact on how a character turn out,
making this not just into a minor/small change..but a large one.

Also
There is no option to make the eyebrows darker,
nor is there any other eyebrow option that allows for
this thick dark eyebrows (look) with this face option.

Please bring back the dark thick eyebrows T_T,
I can live with other changes..but not the eyebrows!.

I agree.

I see a lot of eyebrow settings that look paler, smaller, less heavy in the benchmark, compared to live game. It's especially notable when you have a light-haired, light-skinned character.

https://i.gyazo.com/84b448be65a36de1...2d419d7294.png
(left is live, right is benchmark)

It's noticeable on my character, and I've seen examples on characters with very pale hair and skintone where their eyebrows now seem almost invisible, which really affects the appearance of their face.

This is the one thing that is bugging me about how my character looks in the new graphics, and I am lucky that it is so minor for me, but I wanted to add my feedback regardless: eyebrow options in benchmark reduce the prominence of eyebrows, and I feel that should be adjusted.

+1 to this; I just wish they'd separate eyebrow color from hair color

Darken the eyebrows, please.

Here is my miqo currently & the 2nd image is Benchmark
The eyebrows have been lightened & Honestly, I'd prefer to choose the color of her eyebrows and it not affect her hair.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...648e1fde70e82&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...a4712af25426a&

https://imgur.com/a/VYjvbSW

I also don't like my eyebrows basically turning invisible. Comparison: https://imgsli.com/MjU1NjE2

https://i.imgur.com/z1ffh5N.png

I wonder why this would be? Is it intentional to make the eyebrows look sparser or is it something to do with lighting?

okay i'm glad it wasn't just me then. i thought the darker eyebrows were a charm point but now its like she plucked and lightened them to hell and back. they do look different in live depending on the angle and lighting but on the benchmark its just weird...

benchmark on the left and live on the right

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...15e8ada0da18a&

this isnt just an issue with light skin, dark skin with light eyebrows is also muted/thinned
https://i.imgur.com/FhgY1xd.png

PLEASEEEE fix the eyebrows... I will put up with anything if they just give my viera his eyebrows back.

Also struggling with the eyebrow change (amongst other things) on my miqo'te female:

Now:
https://i.gyazo.com/b43566e1c8780b78...d09843f987.jpg

Benchmark: (Ignore eye color change)
https://i.gyazo.com/888b72062107a29a...b6a1ba2741.jpg

The new eyebrows are very "flat" and have lost all texture and color variation which gave them some depth.

Hard agree! Not only are my miqo's eyebrows nerfed, but one of my alts has had his eyebrows trimmed (and his face overall adjusted, which makes him look really different). They're really hard to see in the benchmark, even though I can see them fine in the current version of the game. While my main's eyebrows can be adjusted with an extra facial feature, my midlander's face doesn't have that option so there's no way to make the eyebrows darker.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...187&height=668

Yeah, the eyebrows, especially on miqo'te, are often barely visible compared to before. Which is a shame, because otherwise I do love how my character looks updated! I hope that gets tweaked before launch.

Is there anything that can be done about the eyebrow facepaint bleed that happens when a character blinks? Don't get me wrong, it's my choice and I've learned to live with it but, it really does wreck a scene. I was kinda hoping a future update might boost the brow options we have. Many, many, thanks!

https://i.imgur.com/veI76CA.png

the eyebrows on my character just look completely different in the benchmark
https://i.imgur.com/eK3xjaJ.png

Eyebrow options should be split into shape and thickness so that we have full control on how they look.

Wow, mine aren't nearly as bad as some of these, but they are noticeably thinner.
https://i.imgur.com/x6GUXmG.png

Mine are also changed, mainly horizontal width and colour. Not happy.

https://i.imgur.com/LfjA3QL.png
Left is old, right is new.

I really agree, eyebrows are so important to a character's overall impression! D: It was really noticeable to me in the benchmark that my WoL's brows were thinner

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLKqUp0b...png&name=small

Maybe the artists who worked on these eyebrows just really likes thin brows?

i have a good one regarding eyebrow changes.
he just went to a beauty shop ig :) i do not enjoy it one bit. what happened to keeping the character's identity with the update? this change is so drastic

https://64.media.tumblr.com/bfca9d85...021bcef6fd.jpg

I already posted this in the general elezen feedback thread, but i think it also belongs here.
I compiled the difference in eyebrows for male Elezen face 4.
All eyebrow shapes have been changed, more or less severely, except for eyebrows #1. These changes really impact the personality of a face, so it's worth adressing them.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/dc256191...5176b47ce5.jpg
https://64.media.tumblr.com/729c7718...728ad68b5a.jpg

Something I noticed is that the bushy eyebrow option for female Seeker is not as bushy as before, too https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLJtSFsW...jpg&name=large

Bumping this thread and sharing my concerns, especially now that we have an update from Yoshi-P.

I’ve also noticed my male miqo face 3 has lighter eyebrows. Face 3 has an option to make the eyebrows thicker/darker/longer, which is what I chose for my boy, but in the benchmark it’s not as obvious I even chose this option.

Above is current, below is benchmark:
https://imgur.com/ZMUHT0E.jpg

They’re not as dark and get lighter/sparser as they taper to the tail. (Realizing now I probably should use a different hairstyle to show the differences better…)

This isn’t as bothersome as the eyebrows on my face 1 midlander boy though, which have changed completely.

https://imgur.com/XrhGTpX.jpg

I chose his current eyebrows because they were very different from the other options; they’re thick and have a sculpted look, almost like he purposely shaped them that way with the very distinct arch. It was part of his character and a huge charm point. But with the update they’re thin and have lost the sharp arch. It seems like they redid those eyebrows to make them match up with the other options, and it really changes his whole character for me. I understand wanting to bringing certain features in line with others, but eyebrows are something that should be MORE distinct and less homogenous, to give characters more personality and make them less same-y from the others with the same face. Some races do this better than others, and I was pleased this face had an option that looked different and wasn’t just based on how the brow is angled over the brow bone (if that makes sense, I’m no aesthetician).

After Yoshi-P’s update this is the biggest concern for me since it wasn’t mentioned and I think it’s clear these eyebrows are different in a way that goes beyond bad lighting and shaders. I know it’s nitpicky and I honestly feel bad complaining about it, but as mentioned here, eyebrows are a really important feature and express character and individuality.

Anyway, that’s my two cents. Does anyone know if the JP forum has brought up eyebrows? I’d take this over there if I could, just to feel like this issue (eyebrows in general) is being seen.

Duskwight face 1 eyebrows went from black to blonde. Here's a close up comparison between benchmark and character creation:

https://i.postimg.cc/qR8WHfRf/DTbench-Eyebrows.png

In Endwalker live game's outfit preview window you can see in neutral lighting the difference in color between the hair and the eyebrows. I don't want to lose that in the graphical update.

https://i.postimg.cc/zf7hBFHf/ffxiv-...174351-249.png

Hopping on here (first time on this forum so hope i'm doing this right); I have a face 3 M Miqo'te and I noticed this issue too. My char's eyebrows are not only thinner now, but are a lot more crooked/upturned (?)

https://i.imgur.com/657whea.png
https://i.imgur.com/5G47vEJ.png

It also seems like the thicker eyebrows asset wasn't upscaled with the rest of the model, like the new eyebrows look offset and smaller than they did originally. I really hope they fix this as it's like the main characteristic that I go for on my character.
https://i.imgur.com/VvZQiZv.png https://i.imgur.com/0TYjMAU.png
I know the lighting is different on these but there's clearly a different shape to the new eyebrows but upon closer inspection it seems like the thicker eyebrow part of it is just shrunken and spread apart a bit more.

It’s not consistent from race to race, or even face to face. Mine got the opposite treatment. Keeper of the Moon Miqo, Face 4.

https://i.imgur.com/Oruv7at.jpeg

They’re “fuller” now and lost definition. They look really flat. I’m not happy with this change. I also really wish they would untie brow colour from hair colour. It’s a big problem for WoLs with light or coloured hair. (I also really wish they hadn’t given me huge fake looking lashes and smudgy eyeliner too :’< )

So with the announcement about the do we think that eyebrows are included in "Issues Related to Certain Data and Processes" or are they still going to be thinner and less noticeable after they fix the benchmark/character creator?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...03fd92448ab41&

Sorry, I've never used forums myself before so I'm new but hopefully this works. Edit: Apparently I have and I'm a liar but I don't really remember the other one lol

Just wanted to join the sea of complaints/discussions because in my opinion, eyebrows have been a problem forever but they for some reason were made worse with the update. Hyurs have never had any real eyebrows for some reason and I always used the makeup eyebrow option to give a better effect... wasn't perfect but it satisfied me. But the overall shape is different now... and gives my characters a different look. Seeing that they plan to make changes in the benchmark I hope by posting this they fix it somehow... either by giving eyebrow options in general or fixing the make up back to how it sat on the face before. I don't know why they think everyone wants thin or non existent eyebrows. I like thicker eyebrows.

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Originally Posted by garf

Hopping on here (first time on this forum so hope i'm doing this right); I have a face 3 M Miqo'te and I noticed this issue too. My char's eyebrows are not only thinner now, but are a lot more crooked/upturned (?)

https://i.imgur.com/657whea.png
https://i.imgur.com/5G47vEJ.png

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When I was going through the eyebrow options for this face I noticed all of them turn up at the end now. My boy’s eyebrows have always done that, I just chose them because of how sharp the angle is, but I never liked that flip. Can’t believe they added it to all of them. :(

Midlanders got the lighter brow treatment as well. Like most other races, they also got false lashes, which should be a toggleable option if anything. They honestly bug me more than the brows, mostly because of how fake and unnatural they look. 6.58 above, 7.0 below.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...83b0f8a241b9f&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...998c66e13ef13&

Summing all 3 pages so far for Square Enix:

1) Some people wish their eyebrows where thicker, some people wish they were thinner.
2) Some people wish their eyebrows had more color, some people wish they had less color.

I say, there should just be more eyebrow options to let us control thickness AND color.
For example, someone might want a blonde character with black eyebrows, but other might want a blonde character with yellow eyebrows.

Just give us the option to choose what we want.