Swimming in Tuliyollal

A thought occurred to me watching the new player hub trailer for Tuliyollal on YouTube, most player hub cities don’t have swimming, there’s only one I can think of that does and that’s Rhalger’s Reach. Considering Dawntrail is a sort of beach vacation it seems kinda like a given swimming should be included in the city, but we don’t know that. So here’s a thread for it.

Yeah the second Yoshi-P mentioned that we wouldn't be able to swim during the presentation I was like... what? Why??? I was a little peeved that we couldn't do it in Sharlayan but at least it had the excuse of having cold water I guess? But then again we could swim in GARLEMALD. (Which reminds me, if we can swim there then let us swim in that pretty blue pool in Coerthas Western Highlands.)

But come on, there's no reason not to let us do it in Tuliyollal. It's going to be torture standing next to the ocean and being blocked from jumping in it by invisible walls. Please. Let me swim in my pretty video game water.

Ah I rewatch the NA Keynote, and YoshiP said no swimming in the city…. That is a bummer, we really should be able to swim especially in this city, its tropical beach locale is perfect for it.

Considering the city is perched percariously next a giant cataract/canyon, I can see the reason why swimming wouldn't be allowed there - those currents would be far too powerful to swim against.

Also, it's a harbour city, it's just too hazardous to allow - far too easy for swimmers to be hit by a passing boat or ship after all, which is presumedly also the reason swimming isn't allowed in Old Sharalyan, Kurogane and Limsa Lominsa either).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Considering the city is perched percariously next a giant cataract/canyon, I can see the reason why swimming wouldn't be allowed there - those currents would be far too powerful to swim against.

Also, it's a harbour city, it's just too hazardous to allow - far too easy for swimmers to be hit by a passing boat or ship after all, which is presumedly also the reason swimming isn't allowed in Old Sharalyan, Kurogane and Limsa Lominsa either).

---

Lol, I love you rationalizing it for them like there was some thought other than laziness. Implementing swimming is more work and they can skip it. Then they can have ppl like you explain it. They cut corners, end of story.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kayden1010

"Considering Dawntrail is a sort of beach vacation"

---

https://media.tenor.com/f_PVkkQNYaIAAAAi/meme.gif

I want them to add things in the water that can kill you. I know they already said they wouldn't back prior to SB release for Reasons when they first showed off swimming, but the hell with that. Have holes in the reefs, and if you get too close a giant eel or octopus arm zips out grabs you, and pulls you in. Then after a split-second of disappearing you instantly go to 0 HP and are auto-teleported back to the nearest aetheryte. Part of the MSQ could have you traversing an area full of the death holes and trying to find the safe path through.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Limecat

I want them to add things in the water that can kill you. I know they already said they wouldn't back prior to SB release for Reasons when they first showed off swimming, but the hell with that. Have holes in the reefs, and if you get too close a giant eel or octopus arm zips out grabs you, and pulls you in. Then after a split-second of disappearing you instantly go to 0 HP and are auto-teleported back to the nearest aetheryte. Part of the MSQ could have you traversing an area full of the death holes and trying to find the safe path through.

---

I had similar thought too when I first got to StB on my first playthrough.

That's literally an entire design space that could've been something more than we see today... if they want to.

but that sounds too difficult for ff14s player... or at least its more difficult than they think the players can handle.
they need to stop the baby treatment

such a waste... but not like there is more going on in the world than a few fates anyway.

Likely backend issues.

It's not the 'sanctuary' part that matters, but the 'city state' part. Tuliyollal is specifically a city state, and there's definitely significant backend differences with how city states function compared to sanctuaries.

+1 to this, making the player hub have a swimming area would be very nice! And while at it, we should be able to go underwater, I think it would make for cute Gposes!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ElysiumDragon

Likely backend issues.

It's not the 'sanctuary' part that matters, but the 'city state' part. Tuliyollal is specifically a city state, and there's definitely significant backend differences with how city states function compared to sanctuaries.

---

I doubt that's the reason. Functionally Rhalgr's Reach isn't any different to any of the other zones with city features, whether the game text describes them as a city-state or not.

Swimming – in its current state, regardless of hypothetical alternate designs – doesn't really feel exciting enough to care about its presence or absence in a zone.

You want to be able to swim in Rhalgr's Reach because the quickest way to get from some locations to other locations is a straight line across the lake, but that doesn't make it any better than doing the same on dry land.

Even in places where you can swim just for the sake of it, I don't get much desire to do so.

I wonder if you can't swim because swimming requires the player to be able to get on a mount. I can't offhand think of any swimming allowed zones that don't also allow being mounted.

Could be a case of swimming being coded as a mount animation.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ryvick

I wonder if you can't swim because swimming requires the player to be able to get on a mount. I can't offhand think of any swimming allowed zones that don't also allow being mounted.

Could be a case of swimming being coded as a mount animation.

---

If that was the case, then I don't think you'd be able to use mounts while swimming.

Also, fashion accessories are apparently handled as mounts but you can use them in places where you can't use mounts.


My own guess at why swimming might not be used in cities is that maybe there's a size limit to how big a city zone you can be, and once it's full of city there might not be not much room left for swimming without quickly hitting invisible walls.

I was quite disappointed when l found l can't jump into the water in limsa back then when l picked up this game. Kinda miss how l can jump in canal to swim to the other side instead of walk on bridge in stormwind city. Got used to how restrictive ff14 is, but still can't forget that disappointment.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ryvick

I wonder if you can't swim because swimming requires the player to be able to get on a mount. I can't offhand think of any swimming allowed zones that don't also allow being mounted.

Could be a case of swimming being coded as a mount animation.

---

I had that same thought, then I remembered that one alliance raid ca SB that has a swimming (well, diving) intermission.

Swimming never really became popular among the masses. It peaked during its intro in Stormblood, but every expansion since has been reducing it. It requires a lot of work for very little, if any return.

I'll care about swimming in cities when there's actually a reason to do it.

Also once I can put aside the reason why you would really not want to swim in or near a city. (Hint: Where do you think people living near water dumped trash, bodily waste, and other refuse before landfills and sewage treatment plants?)

There was that glitch you could use very briefly when Island Spanktuary was new that let you load into town while still mounted. I doubt it's a code issue unless it's that the swimming = mounted thing is so incestuous that they have no way of adding a conditional that allows the one but not the other without making more server hamsters die of carbon monoxide poisoning.

It would be nice buuut I don't think it would be so great when it gets crowded and laggy because of all the ppl swimming around launch when it's super busy. Maybe there's somewhere else in the open world that would be better suited , we will have to wait and see where our summer vacation expansion takes us

When are we gona get mermaid tail fashion accessories that only work underwater. That's where its at man