FC house abuse

Many people have FC houses and only 1-10 members. They are often people that want to get rich fast or just want to make sure they can activate FC actions that benefit raiding purposes. However with current housing shortage this proves to be annoying for most.

So please add a timer system that calculates activity within the FC so the workshop becomes locked by default if less then 10 FC members log in daily. This way abusers with 7 alts would still become unable to scam their way around it and they would be forced to recruit members (members that would leave again once they realise its not a real/active FC).

Hopefully this should convince workshop abusers to give up on their fantasy and let the property be handled by actual FC's that want to make an effort for an actual community instead of their own alts...

What a great idea. I'll be sure to tell my old FC mates that their FC, est. 09/2013, that now have dwindled down to maybe 9 active members and close friends who can't log on every single day due to reality, that their time has come.

BTW, being on Chaos, there isn't really a housing shortage due to FCs.

Why would your friends be upset that they lose access to the workshop when their FC isn't even active? Sorry but it sounds to me that your friends might be exactly the people I refer to in the original post xD
And ofcourse it could be easily mended by recruiting a few active players. Can't be too hard to recruit 9 more people. Unless ofcourse your friends leader doesn't want to and just wants the workshop...

I've just read a post of someone who's participated in the lottery 75 times and still didn't get a house... I wouldn't just claim there isn't a housing shortage... especially for the medium and large houses which is virtually impossible to get nowadays...
Simply because often they are owned by 1-10 player FC's who don't really need something bigger then a cottage. but the issue is that active FC's need a house but just as much people use them as private which kinda doesn't make sense since why else do we have housing for private use and housing for FC use if the people who own the house do not care about building an actual FC community which in my opinion should never be smaller then 20 people, otherwise its just a private house with unfair benefits. Benefits actual FC's require to help convince people to join and try out communities.

There should be a hierarchy to things where in a lottery someone owning an active enough FC should always get priority on a lottery provided they get a choice to choose "buy for FC" when they enter a lottery.

People take breaks because life is busy, wait for content, go on vacations, work trips ect.
Don't go punishing people that play games in a healthy amount of time.

There is no wrong way to use a house. if you are entering it atleast once every 45 days you deserve it just as much as a 512 member fc that is always online.

Ethics =/= rules.

Inviting a bunch of randoms sure sounds like a great "community". I personally try to avoid people like you which would be rather impossible by just mass recruiting, which you suggested, and subconsciously already proofs your idea is dumb af if you yourself already come up with solutions like that while writing your supposed "solution".

Sure. Make a way to give someone an advantage or priority for winning plots. It's not like those rules apply to everyone and nothing would be easier than for me to make 8 characters on a world i dont play on and help some friends with similar interests get that plot they want.

It's been fairer than ever to win a house, this is what people wanted and this is what people got.
Just like people whining about autodemo (also implemented by the community asking do) forcing them to keep subbed because its "Impossible" to win a house now.

I've won plots by lottery, with the old system, against placard bots and by buying them from other people. It's never been impossible.

Move to a less populated server and start your Fcs there. There's a reason square creates them.

Good on you for spamming the forums with the absolute worst solutions ever to housing

kudos for that

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/59...ality=lossless

What an awful idea LOL

Why would you need more than is required to even create a FC and purchase a FC house in order to keep that FC's workshop?

https://i.imgur.com/1GKLJqg.jpeg

Big established fcs already have a house because they have the bidding power to do so. If you can't get a mansion or a medium as a free company with 20+ members, either your leadership and organisation skills are terrible or your fc isn't as active as you think. 20 people with their alts can manage a maximum of 160 bids and you're saying they are unable to win against a small family fc or a solo submariner? Please.

It will never happen. SE is not as petty as that.

My FC is just a few close friends, but we're active and just as deserving of a shared space as any large FC. Why are you targeting small FCs of all things? How does doing so improve housing in any way?

i say just remove the workshops from FC's all together and put in in your squadron hall instead then everyone has one, then the housing wales get no advantage. and we can all laugh at them.

having the game do a check (total members more than 7, every character more than 7 days in fc) to enable the workshop functions for up to 24hrs until daily reset, would be quite interesting change to slow down the hoarding sprawl each time new wards get added.
If you are just 4 close friends, just ask friends to put alts in the fc and it's set. No negative impact on yours fc.

Housing is like a Klondike. If you're late to the party, sorry but all good spots are taken and in SE's terms, it works as intended.
I want to be optimistic but by judging by past, they don't see it as important right now for Dawn Trail. Or, they are preparing another overhaul - who knows?

True, there are some wards on new worlds that are waiting to be opened in the future but if the luck won't work in your favor or anyone from small fc of friends, be prepared to deal with having small or not having any. At least you can unsubscribe for any time you want.

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Originally Posted by SXTC

Many people have FC houses and only 1-10 members. They are often people that want to get rich fast or just want to make sure they can activate FC actions that benefit raiding purposes. However with current housing shortage this proves to be annoying for most.

So please add a timer system that calculates activity within the FC so the workshop becomes locked by default if less then 10 FC members log in daily. This way abusers with 7 alts would still become unable to scam their way around it and they would be forced to recruit members (members that would leave again once they realise its not a real/active FC).

Hopefully this should convince workshop abusers to give up on their fantasy and let the property be handled by actual FC's that want to make an effort for an actual community instead of their own alts...

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To go deeper into this you will often find these FCs with the alts you mention on either the most random location whatsoever that no one else cared for or they have exactly the plot you wanted! Now for the first, if they are on some random location with 7 alts all those alts are probably for lottery, now losing a lottery is a self-scamming process because why not just win one? If they are on a nicer location they indeed also self-scammed because of the extra accounts (in most cases) that got subbed just to get that one house. Some extra sub cash from one person for Square Enix.

Now let's take your suggestion, what this will do is discourage players from paying their subscription so I'm afraid your suggestion isn't going to be a good one. As for closing workshops, I fully agree with you there. I vouch for every single house to be a venue.

First thing I told my friends was that first thing that would happen is me getting rude replies from people who likely abuse the system since they'd feel personally attacked xD

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Originally Posted by Homeless_was_taken

To go deeper into this you will often find these FCs with the alts you mention on either the most random location whatsoever that no one else cared for or they have exactly the plot you wanted! Now for the first, if they are on some random location with 7 alts all those alts are probably for lottery, now losing a lottery is a self-scamming process because why not just win one? If they are on a nicer location they indeed also self-scammed because of the extra accounts (in most cases) that got subbed just to get that one house. Some extra sub cash from one person for Square Enix.

Now let's take your suggestion, what this will do is discourage players from paying their subscription so I'm afraid your suggestion isn't going to be a good one. As for closing workshops, I fully agree with you there. I vouch for every single house to be a venue.

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I see the truth lies closer in the middle. It's good to see more people understand where the abuse lies but I do understand that my comment may not keep exceptions to the rule into account.
So if my suggestion annoyed you in any way you have my apology. Regardless the current system still doesn't solve the issue we are dealing with right now. I hope people at SE put their heads together so they stop being outsmarted by people with lesser intentions.

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Originally Posted by SXTC

First thing I told my friends was that first thing that would happen is me getting rude replies from people who likely abuse the system since they'd feel personally attacked xD

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Or people just disagree with you because your ideas are the absolute worst ever seen on this forum, and that's a big record to have an idea that bad that it beats the others bad ones.

Seriously, there are normal, decent Free Companies of just handful of people.
In mine here is 3 of us active at the moment. We play, craft, pvp, and want to use our house as usual.
And those friends who aren't active in game atm we keep in touch, like friends do.
Maybe there will be more of us again soon, in our FC home of many years.

This might work IF it would target those actually abusing it. I own a fc and there a total of 6 of us. You saying I should lose access to my workshop because 3 of us are active daily?

Look I realize the shortage but that's on the devs shoulders. They been making wrong moves since stormblood changes.

The only true fix is moving to instanced housing and charge a couple extra dollars on peoples subs

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Originally Posted by SXTC

First thing I told my friends was that first thing that would happen is me getting rude replies from people who likely abuse the system since they'd feel personally attacked xD

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If you feel the replies are rude then that's unfortunate. I am a bit curious as to why you would think all who replied would feel attacked and assume they would abuse the system. I own ONE fc and there's 6 of us in it (3 of which are on daily). How am I abusing anything? I really would like an answer to this.

You present an idea that is a double edged razor if implemented. Alot of us who are innocent in all this would end up screwed cause you mad at people who used a alt loophole to snatch up extra fcs and use them to send out subs to make Gil off of.

I understand and agree with the idea IF they can target the right players. The devs have a bad track record of not being able too.

Just keep calm because alot of us are on your side but you frankly need to see both sides of this.

The only honest fix is to make instanced housing. Till then snag yourself an apartment. Only 500k and you don't risk losing it if you lapse going into it for 45 days

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Originally Posted by SXTC

First thing I told my friends was that first thing that would happen is me getting rude replies from people who likely abuse the system since they'd feel personally attacked xD

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Don't play with fire if you are afraid of getting burn.
Also, you pretty much put a bullseye on your forehand with your suggestion and tone.

Your characterization of FC's with 10 or fewer members as "abusers" is as wild as it is self-serving. Don't be that guy; not only are you capable of being so much better than this, but you're making your FC look bad by espousing this kind of baseless toxicity.

As much as I dislike multiowners, this would punish a lot of small FCs unfairly. Some people prefer smaller communities and there is nothing wrong with that.

Orrr instead of hating players for a system designed by the devs and sharing poopoo ideas; just move to a less populated server

They just need to remove the stupid salvage from the submarines, no item in the game should instantly sell to NPCs for a gazillion gil and given out to the player in such great quantity.
It should only reward mounts, housing items, rolls, minions, etc. Everything should be MB interaction only.

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

They just need to remove the stupid salvage from the submarines, no item in the game should instantly sell to NPCs for a gazillion gil and given out to the player in such great quantity.
It should only reward mounts, housing items, rolls, minions, etc. Everything should be MB interaction only.

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It's not even a gazillion gil unless you take the route of owning 50+ houses (as told by a couple people in the community who make around 1B a month through sub farming).

The most expensive item out of submarines is around 50k per and it's RNG dependent on if you get that multiple times (I believe the max haul (with RNG luck) with fully optimized subs in one FC is around 400-500k?). You can make more from market flipping in a week (50 million vs. 3-4m?) than you can on submarines unless you stack housing. Even then, you still have to invest in leveling and gearing out 4 subs which isn't cheap either. One person taking one FC house to make passive gil isn't going to see "gazillions" for months or years.

Personally, if it switched to just MB interaction, I think it would only make market flipping even more lucrative than it is and lead to other problems forming lol.

If you want to solve it then it could be that you can only be a FC master on 1 server, that would solve some of it and also since, if it is FCs on multiple servers with the same master account and not wanting to lose it, then would have to bring in another active member as FC lead, which would tag that person doing such for not being able to make own FC as master either or something down those lines.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

You can make more from market flipping in a week (50 million vs. 3-4m?) than you can on submarines unless you stack housing. Even then, you still have to invest in leveling and gearing out 4 subs which isn't cheap either. One person taking one FC house to make passive gil isn't going to see "gazillions" for months or years.

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Yeah, my 4 submarines make 14 mil per month in total. Whoop-de-doo. It has cost me more than 60 mil to buy their equipment and repair kits lmao, not to mention months of daily logins to level them up to this point. That gil doesn't come for free.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Personally, if it switched to just MB interaction, I think it would only make market flipping even more lucrative than it is and lead to other problems forming lol.

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It would. Unlike submarines, the market board can be botted to gain money faster and it happens every day. I thought people were against botting? Whenever the suggestion of replacing salvage with tradeable items comes up it makes me wonder if those people are just itching to use certain "advantages" they might possess.

No. I don't want to lose my submarines.

ok I get it people want to continue rmting with submarines

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Originally Posted by WinglessSeraphim

What a great idea. I'll be sure to tell my old FC mates that their FC, est. 09/2013, that now have dwindled down to maybe 9 active members and close friends who can't log on every single day due to reality, that their time has come.

BTW, being on Chaos, there isn't really a housing shortage due to FCs.

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The viscosity of this shade made me chortle a chort so deep that I spit out my tea. This made my day. Thank you :)

I agree. They should demolish all houses that belong to FCs with less than 10 members so that they can instead be occupied by private houses owned by 1 player. This way far more people can experience what its like to be unable to have a house.

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

ok I get it people want to continue rmting with submarines

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The 14 mil per month one fc produces would amount to 6 dollars per month according to the first google result. "People want to continue to risk their account to profit less than their subscription cost." You are hilarious. :D:D

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Originally Posted by Reinha

The 14 mil per month one fc produces would amount to 6 dollars per month according to the first google result. "People want to continue to risk their account to profit less than their subscription cost." You are hilarious. :D:D

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Yup, this is a delusional take. Setting aside that assuming that everyone is RMTing is completely bad faith, 14mil/month wouldn't even equate to the cost of subscription for a service account. Even if the most egregious person were to use a fleet of accounts to RMT with hundreds of submarines, they would be spending more on maintaining those accounts than they would be capable of making back through illicit means. It's not only not happening, it's not possible.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

The 14 mil per month one fc produces would amount to 6 dollars per month according to the first google result. "People want to continue to risk their account to profit less than their subscription cost." You are hilarious. :D:D

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There's not really any point in arguing logic with that poster. Their head is so far up the RMT rearend, it's stuck.

lol. I leveled my FC by myself, I built my subs by myself, and I enjoy my house by myself. No rules are broken, no abuse is done, and I login on time to keep it and my personal house and maintain subs while waiting for the next expansion. Good luck with your next lottery.