Can spell speed, and skill speed be combined into singular haste stat?

Here are a few reason to combine skill speed, and spell speed into a singular haste stat:

1. More jobs that have a mix of spells, and weaponskills can be comfortably developed.

2. Provides more stat options for existing jobs that use both spells, and weaponskills.

3. Likely frees up item data by combining two sets of items into one across the entire game.

4. De-clutters player's materia stashes by combining two sets of items into one.

While they're at it, can they please buff haste/speed? It's an interesting stat.

While I agree with your overall premise on your last point it’s not really that haste needs a buff it’s that crit needs to be nerfed

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

While I agree with your overall premise on your last point it’s not really that haste needs a buff it’s that crit needs to be nerfed

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Yeah for sure. It would be good if they like either significantly nerfed or outright removed how critical hit rating also increases critical hit damage.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

While I agree with your overall premise on your last point it’s not really that haste needs a buff it’s that crit needs to be nerfed

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Even if they nerfed crit it wouldn't suddenly make haste viable.
You will only take as much of the stat as necessary to make your rotation work within the 2-minute buff window restriction.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Even if they nerfed crit it wouldn't suddenly make haste viable.
You will only take as much of the stat as necessary to make your rotation work within the 2-minute buff window restriction.

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Depends on the class

Every caster besides RDM has a potential spell speed build that could be a conditional BIS if crit wasn’t so damn overpowered, AST and BLM especially have had BIS spell speed builds in previous EW tiers

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Depends on the class

Every caster besides RDM has a potential spell speed build that could be a conditional BIS if crit wasn’t so damn overpowered, AST and BLM especially have had BIS spell speed builds in previous EW tiers

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Summoner doesn't have one either, the 3 different sets it has only exist to ensure you get 6 attacks out of your demi summon depending on your ping. BLM is as always the odd man out because it hasn't been shoehorned into a strict 60 seconds or 2-minute loop.

Warrior technically has a higher speed set but all it does is make your Upheaval drift. An argument could be made for Gunbreaker potentially making use of haste if they nerf crit, because that job drifts harder than Initial D anyway.

Healers are pretty much the only ones that can freely use high haste sets because they have no rotation to speak of and the few skills they want to put under raid buffs are unaffected by a faster GCD.

Can't be done without reworking every previous relic. And a whole lot of food.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Can't be done without reworking every previous relic. And a whole lot of food.

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Probably not that hard to do, they already replaced Accuracy on all old weapons before.

Maybe if haste lowered all ability CDs akin to what skill speed does to a couple of abilities. Would have to rethink the 2 minute meta though so that probably isn't gonna happen.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Can't be done without reworking every previous relic. And a whole lot of food.

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Why? you just turn them into one stat and change that globally, they did so with DH back then as well. And theres no food that has Skill and spellspeed anyways. And for materia, that doesnt matter, when they removed elemental materia or Vit, the inserted materia just stayed as is, the system seems to be fine to work with removed stuff...


Its long since overdue as its literally the same stat, its just bloat, even more considering we're gettin two more of each kind very soon.

I have thought this as well, because some jobs like PLD, DRK and RDM have a mixture of Physical and Magical attacks which results in either stat being even more sub-optimal than other jobs.

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Originally Posted by mallleable

While they're at it, can they please buff haste/speed? It's an interesting stat.

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I think it is worth noting that the increased speed means more GCDs in the same space of time (and thus more opportunities to crit/dh). It means more resource generation on most jobs, which means more gauge spend, all of which means lots of extra high-potency attacks. So it does achieve extra damage in this way.

In my experience I've been able to make a job feel significantly faster with this, shaving off around 0.4 from the 2.5 GCD. It could be possible to reduce it further but I think that is pretty good as well.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Probably not that hard to do, they already replaced Accuracy on all old weapons before.

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They merely swapped accuracy with a comparable stat. You are proposing reducing 2 stats into 1 stat. That just sounds like a coding clusterfuck waiting to happen, because undoubtedly the stats will remain behind the scenes.

And it's more than just the stats. UI elements for certain stages of relic progress would need redone. Zodiac books needing modified. The entire Zodiac Sphere Scroll stage would need to be reworked, because you can actually apply both speed stats to any weapon.

Be dismissive all you want, but nobody that has ever brought up this suggestion fully accounts for every change the game would need to make for it. The amount of work necessary to implement this change is not justified by whatever meager improvements it might make.

Old Relics and the very niche Aetherial quality gear would probably break since they can have both. Probably would have to remove these items from players to make it happen.

And get rid of direct hit while we are at it.

Even better ! rework substats and make them more interesting by adding perks when you reach a certain threshold : multi cast/strike for spell/attack speed, ignore armor for direct hit, guaranteed crit with bonus damage on your next non auto attack when you crit (with a short cooldown for obvious reason).

Making things more fun/interesting and less bland/on rail why is that so hard for them ?

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Originally Posted by Syln

Making things more fun/interesting and less bland/on rail why is that so hard for them ?

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They probably don't have someone like you with such great ideas for stats. :(

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Originally Posted by mallleable

Provides more stat options for existing jobs that use both spells, and weaponskills.

Likely frees up item data by combining two sets of items into one across the entire game.

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I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea, but I don't agree with these two points. If we have separate speed stats, you have the option of taking both in differing amounts which could impact how a job plays. When it comes to game data, I have to do some guessing, but the proposed change isn't likely to reduce the amount of information sent between players. The game should only care about how many categories of information is shared, not how many options are in a given category. Whether there are 2 options for materia or 2000, the game has to send a value specifying which materia is being used. The only way to reduce information here would be to remove materia entirely, which removes the need to specify a value for a materia slot.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

They merely swapped accuracy with a comparable stat. You are proposing reducing 2 stats into 1 stat. That just sounds like a coding clusterfuck waiting to happen, because undoubtedly the stats will remain behind the scenes.

And it's more than just the stats. UI elements for certain stages of relic progress would need redone. Zodiac books needing modified. The entire Zodiac Sphere Scroll stage would need to be reworked, because you can actually apply both speed stats to any weapon.

Be dismissive all you want, but nobody that has ever brought up this suggestion fully accounts for every change the game would need to make for it. The amount of work necessary to implement this change is not justified by whatever meager improvements it might make.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

Old Relics and the very niche Aetherial quality gear would probably break since they can have both. Probably would have to remove these items from players to make it happen.

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The only gear pieces that would be affected are Lv50 and below, namely Aetherial quality and Relic weapons - if I am generous, also the Lv60 Diadem stuff. Hardly a huge undertaking.

A very simple solution would be to add an exception to ignore the speedcap of that item's level by merging both stats and values - Eureka Weapons already exist and are able to hit individual substats close to 1000. I saw a 900+ crit Bow before - but just like that bow, having like double an item's theoretical maximum speed as a legacy stat has no bearing on clearing fights in the Lv50 bracket. If they care how someone has an unfair amount of speed at Lv50, that's on them.

Frankly, you guys paint it to be a way bigger issue than it actually is.

It's not entirely redundant stats. There are jobs that have both spells and weaponskills. Namely, PLD DRK and RDM.

These jobs would all have to be reworked in the eyes of SE, and it would likely be a bad rework for all of them.

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Originally Posted by mallleable

Here are a few reason to combine skill speed, and spell speed into a singular haste stat:

1. More jobs that have a mix of spells, and weaponskills can be comfortably developed.

2. Provides more stat options for existing jobs that use both spells, and weaponskills.

3. Likely frees up item data by combining two sets of items into one across the entire game.

4. De-clutters player's materia stashes by combining two sets of items into one.

While they're at it, can they please buff haste/speed? It's an interesting stat.

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Merging both into just Speed is long overdue.

However that's the lesser of the evils, as they need to figure out how to make this stat actually desirable for more than just 2/3 jobs, because like the OP says, it is in fact one of the most interesting, alongside crit.

Seeing big numbers is impactful to the feel of the job. Seeing your cast bars/gcd go faster is also impactful to the feel of the job. However, I feel that as long as the game is leashed to the 2min meta, Speed will never see the light of the day as a general desirable stat, because of the drift it casuses.

Now, a stat like determination or even Direct Hit? Yeah, it works... but unless you're running a damage meter applicaton (which is against the ToS lol) you won't really see much of a tangible impact in short terms.