Viper Hood shouldn't hide Miqo'te Ears

In the Viper showcase, the character race used to show off the new class Viper is none other than a male Miqo'te.
The hood he is wearing is leather, obviously light and is pretty loose fitting. It's not a thick or a heavy metal headpiece.

Where are his ears? It baffled me because here, SE is showing a new class, talking about a graphical update but they can't seem to show Miqo'te ears? We do have hats that have cut-outs for Miqo'te ears in game, so it is possible. I just don't believe there is a proper excuse.
Stop hiding Miqo'te ears, please! I hope when DT is out, the Viper hood is fixed to show Miqo'te Ears on the miqo'te race.


Off topic-(and please make future headpieces with Viera in Mind)

(Viper showcase below)
https://youtu.be/295BgKlNcqM?si=PUFUsRY5uHxbz6Xw

Screen if you're curious and don't want to watch video/ click link
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...93188a31d12c4&

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Image of actual hat ingame with ear cut outs

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...76fc79b1c5c14&

"Yeah, but doing that requires more work." - SE probably

The people designing gear don't seem to know that some races have some non-human features.

Back during ARR & HW they still did design some gear around the different races, for Miqo'te they either had holes for ears on hats or actually designed additions on helmets to account for the ears.

Then they slowly just started adding pockets that barely matched the textures.

And then finally they just started hiding ears.

I agree I hope that they end up fixing this, it's really annoying. I probably would not use the hood myself because of this reason, but I'm also really picky when it comes to glamours. Hiding ears in hoods has always annoyed me when I am a miqo, and even in hoods for au ra the horns clip through it really badly, I'm not sure how you would really fix that though and at least you still see them somewhat, other than just completely chopping off the ears on miqo's with hoods, or hats.

Honestly, at this point it's more surprising when they release a hat that doesn't hide my ears. It's why I keep forcing myself into doing PvP even though I don't really care for it: the headgear for the series level 25 rewards actually have ear pockets.

You guys get hats?
Joking aside, yeah it would be nice to add that sort of flair to characters.

https://i.imgur.com/zn7k4ut.gif

I hope it's just because they aren't/weren't done with the racially adjusted model for the hood when they made that showcase, yet a small voice at the back of my mind wonders if the viera/hrothgar headwear debacle has broken them to the point where they just don't care any more and everyone mostly just gets the hyur version of new headgear because they can't handle the workload of fixing what they half-assed and threw in the towel.
As the presumably AF gear I hope that piece, at least, gets the attention it deserves.

Hiding racial features is reason #2 why I hate how hoods work in this game and generally refuse to use them. Reason #1 is that they get rid of your hair completely and make you bald. I get that it's for clipping reasons but it bothers me that you can't even have your bangs or something. And yes I know that requires extra work by making different versions of all the hair models and it's probably a huge factor in why Viera and Hrothgar lack hair and hat compatibility. But that doesn't mean I can't still dislike it.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

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this tbh, the ear being tailored in to hats is kinda dumb to me, when i put on a toboggan hat i have never had one with human shaped ear slots cut in to he side of it..

I dont get this, is this some weird furry clothing fantasy or something??

TBH I always hated ear pockets in hats when I played a miqo. They just look so weird and baffling. Possibly the only item that pulled it off well was the phoenix riser helmet, with the tiny points rather than fully shaped ears.

That said, I would much prefer cutouts, especially for things like hoods, which don't have a lot of detail to risk awkward clipping with. They should do that for most hats and Viera, too.

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Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus

this tbh, the ear being tailored in to hats is kinda dumb to me, when i put on a toboggan hat i have never had one with human shaped ear slots cut in to he side of it..

I dont get this, is this some weird furry clothing fantasy or something??

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My ears are on the sides of my head and toques are made of flexible material so they don't really need to make ear slots as the hat forms around it. However, on headgear made of more solid material, such as baseball or motorcycle helmets, there is space for your ears so that you are comfortable wearing it. You just don't notice it on the outside because human ears don't stick out like a cat's do.

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Originally Posted by Espon

My ears are on the sides of my head and toques are made of flexible material so they don't really need to make ear slots as the hat forms around it. However, on headgear made of more solid material, such as baseball or motorcycle helmets, there is space for your ears so that you are comfortable wearing it. You just don't notice it on the outside because human ears don't stick out like a cat's do.

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yes there is padding designed with your ears in mind inside the smooth rounded helmets without ear slots.
Your ears are still laid flat against your head, and contrary to your belief, human ears can and do stick out, and cats can lay their ears flat at will, just watch your cat next time they see a bird and go in to butt wiggle pounce mode.

The weight of most cloth hoods alone can lay a set of ears flat...
Not to mention if you make ear holes in a armored helm it just means your ear is getting ripped off the second something hits that helm hard enough to spin it.. for instance the padding in motorcycle and baseball helms, the padding in them is to hold them snug to your head and make it grip you, not to divide your head up and make edges and dividers that can hurt you inside them..

From a design standpoint its possibly the dumbest ideal you could make.. its the same fallacy as say molded chest armor for girls, go ahead and get one of those cavities caved in by a mace and tell me how you feel.

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Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus

yes there is padding designed with your ears in mind inside the smooth rounded helmets without ear slots.
Your ears are still laid flat against your head, and contrary to your belief, human ears can and do stick out, and cats can lay their ears flat at will, just watch your cat next time they see a bird and go in to butt wiggle pounce mode.

The weight of most cloth hoods alone can lay a set of ears flat...
Not to mention if you make ear holes in a armored helm it just means your ear is getting ripped off the second something hits that helm hard enough to spin it.. for instance the padding in motorcycle and baseball helms, the padding in them is to hold them snug to your head and make it grip you, not to divide your head up and make edges and dividers that can hurt you inside them..

From a design standpoint its possibly the dumbest ideal you could make.. its the same fallacy as say molded chest armor for girls, go ahead and get one of those cavities caved in by a mace and tell me how you feel.

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Dude this is a fantasy game with fictional races that have non human traits. If I'm going to play one of said races then I want those traits to be present. Having a piece of clothing completely remove one of those features defeats the purpose of playing the race entirely. That being said if someone does want to have those traits disappear then how about a toggle? That way everyone is happy.

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Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus

yes there is padding designed with your ears in mind inside the smooth rounded helmets without ear slots.
Your ears are still laid flat against your head, and contrary to your belief, human ears can and do stick out, and cats can lay their ears flat at will, just watch your cat next time they see a bird and go in to butt wiggle pounce mode.

The weight of most cloth hoods alone can lay a set of ears flat...
Not to mention if you make ear holes in a armored helm it just means your ear is getting ripped off the second something hits that helm hard enough to spin it.. for instance the padding in motorcycle and baseball helms, the padding in them is to hold them snug to your head and make it grip you, not to divide your head up and make edges and dividers that can hurt you inside them..

From a design standpoint its possibly the dumbest ideal you could make.. its the same fallacy as say molded chest armor for girls, go ahead and get one of those cavities caved in by a mace and tell me how you feel.

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There are so many instances in this game that, if we were to bring real-life logic into this, we would be dismembered, disembowled, smashed to pieces, set on fire, etc. Even with armor. If the Echo is our reason for escaping death, we can use the Echo to avoid getting ears being ripped off. Boom.

tbf you wouldnt hear very well anymore if a miqotes ear get push onto the head. because with how they are they would be pushed down. the whole ear would cover your hearing amd ot would also be very uncomfortable.
and if your helmet spins around in battle... even as a human your going to have more serious problems

Don't worry you'll look bald wearing it also just like every other hood

Agreed. I wrote a thread some time ago that got some attention on the issue. Feel free to revive it to continue the discussion and increase visibility if you want: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...tain-head-gear

They need to do better when it comes to miqo'te ears, as well as those of other races. For example, in the case of this hood and since it's big enough, they could have our ears drooping down and showing a bit from the sides, or they can simply just show from holes in it. Depending on how they design it, one idea could look better than the other. Since this might not be appealing to everyone, as evidenced in the other thread and the Reddit post, a toggle to show/hide the ears in these cases would appease every taste, just like the current visor and headpiece toggle options.

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Originally Posted by Astrus

I hope it's just because they aren't/weren't done with the racially adjusted model for the hood when they made that showcase, yet a small voice at the back of my mind wonders if the viera/hrothgar headwear debacle has broken them to the point where they just don't care any more and everyone mostly just gets the hyur version of new headgear because they can't handle the workload of fixing what they half-assed and threw in the towel.
As the presumably AF gear I hope that piece, at least, gets the attention it deserves.

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My thoughts as well

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Originally Posted by Aco505

Agreed. I wrote a thread some time ago that got some attention on the issue. Feel free to revive it to continue the discussion and increase visibility if you want: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...tain-head-gear

They need to do better when it comes to miqo'te ears, as well as those of other races. For example, in the case of this hood and since it's big enough, they could have our ears drooping down and showing a bit from the sides, or they can simply just show from holes in it. Depending on how they design it, one idea could look better than the other. Since this might not be appealing to everyone, as evidenced in the other thread and the Reddit post, a toggle to show/hide the ears in these cases would appease every taste, just like the current visor and headpiece toggle options.

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I remember this thread, thank you for bringing light to it again

every day you all complain about something that will have no effect on you / you'll just fix it yourself with tools anyway

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Originally Posted by fantasiaaddict

every day you all complain about something that will have no effect on you / you'll just fix it yourself with tools anyway

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It's funny because it's true. So many people mod their character to unrecognizable husks all because of some stupid grahpical decision SE made.

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Originally Posted by Xirean

Dude this is a fantasy game with fictional races that have non human traits. If I'm going to play one of said races then I want those traits to be present. Having a piece of clothing completely remove one of those features defeats the purpose of playing the race entirely. That being said if someone does want to have those traits disappear then how about a toggle? That way everyone is happy.

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i agree with a toggle, but fantasy or not its still dumb, what fantasy is there for your tail clipping threw capes like its a hologram?

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Originally Posted by Destati

There are so many instances in this game that, if we were to bring real-life logic into this, we would be dismembered, disembowled, smashed to pieces, set on fire, etc. Even with armor. If the Echo is our reason for escaping death, we can use the Echo to avoid getting ears being ripped off. Boom.

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im responding to someone else that brought this logic to play, so maybe lecture them on it then, but im doubtful you will correct someone thats on your side of the argument.

also echo? really? the echo helps us predict danger like a spider sense, it doesn't prevent unavoidable death or dismemberment, just ask horsefart. maybe you can use dynamus to make your ridiculous argument a real boy..

you want realism? youre covered in fur, you dont need a hat /facepalm

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Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus

i agree with a toggle, but fantasy or not its still dumb, what fantasy is there for your tail clipping threw capes like its a hologram?

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Gee maybe the cape should also be a toggle and not a requirement for the glamour. Additionally maybe capes on tailed races should be modeled to not clip the tail through. The new adventure gear at the start of 6.1 does this very well. Giving people more options to these sorts of things is the easiest way to make everyone happy. And while my fantasy doesn't include wearing capes or having a tail clip through a cape, someone else's fantasy might and that should not be denied to them.

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Originally Posted by fantasiaaddict

every day you all complain about something that will have no effect on you / you'll just fix it yourself with tools anyway

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Tools that don't exist for us console players.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Tools that don't exist for us console players.

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i am also a console player, which is why i included it's not going to effect people

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Originally Posted by fantasiaaddict

every day you all complain about something that will have no effect on you / you'll just fix it yourself with tools anyway

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Consider this thread to be helpful for console players who cannot fix the issues using mods

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

Consider this thread to be helpful for console players who cannot fix the issues using mods

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i am a console player and don't care

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Originally Posted by fantasiaaddict

i am a console player and don't care

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