[Graphical Update] Strange Hyur

Hello. This is my first time making a forum thread, so I apologize if there are things I am missing. I love FFXIV, I am very excited for Dawntrail as well, but there is a slight problem about the graphical update.

You see, I really love everything they had to offer in the graphical update. I read the other forum threads and I actually have to agree to what people are saying. A major part of me is excited to see how NPCs look.

But the male Midlander Hyur makes me a bit worried. I know that the nose is the same, but the texture and lightning of the nose feels gone, in a way? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...aede5734a69b0& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...400aad99b15cf&
It looks really off for me, for some reason. Something is really off, yet I cannot place it. What I would suggest is making it more subtle, like how the developers promised. The nose and the eyes appear to be the main focus of what feels weird to me... I hope you can get my point. Thank you.

I'm all for giving feedback but these nitpicks are getting ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

I'm all for giving feedback but these nitpicks are getting ridiculous.

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Then do not reply...? I am not mad about how it looks...? Yoshi P said it depends on us, and I am simply giving my opinion...

They don't really have a diverse color palette that skin actually does- there is no natural flush going on (no soft pink hues in cheeks or nose that would actually be there)- it's just 1 tone so they look plastic

You get my point, thank you! I said again that I am not mad about the update at all - I am just giving feedback that it looks a bit weird, and you are correct!

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Originally Posted by eunno

You get my point, thank you! I said again that I am not mad about the update at all - I am just giving feedback that it looks a bit weird, and you are correct!

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I absolutely agree with you
when they revealed how everyone will look in the update, while the edges are smoother and such, the small details that should make them look better literally aren't there. They look plastic or like they covered their faces in concealer without anything to help their appearance. Yes, this may seem nitpicky- I'm a painter irl so I see details like that especially with how characters appear in ffxiv.
So, likely we will have to rely on using face paint for blush.
While I hope there is a subtle skin color update though, with flushed features where they naturally would be instead of having to rely on face paint to solve that issue- which is another problem in itself BECAUSE the face paint color palettes are very bright and can look clownish the darker skin tone you go. So, we do need the designers to give consideration to how skin tones actually look. While it doesn't have to be some black desert or crazy overhaul, a small detail such as adding flushed tones to each skin tone would go so very far in a positive way. The devs are trying to point out details when they show us these updates to character models because not much has actually changed. It's like presenting two plain pieces of paper but they both have been folded in the same way, but the folds on one are just slightly more pristine - and being told "see! theyre not the same!!"
I still appreciate the overhaul, but the plain paper is still plain paper

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

I absolutely agree with you
when they revealed how everyone will look in the update, while the edges are smoother and such, the small details that should make them look better literally aren't there. They look plastic or like they covered their faces in concealer without anything to help their appearance. Yes, this may seem nitpicky- I'm a painter irl so I see details like that especially with how characters appear in ffxiv.
So, likely we will have to rely on using face paint for blush.
While I hope there is a subtle skin color update though, with flushed features where they naturally would be instead of having to rely on face paint to solve that issue- which is another problem in itself BECAUSE the face paint color palettes are very bright and can look clownish the darker skin tone you go. So, we do need the designers to give consideration to how skin tones actually look. While it doesn't have to be some black desert or crazy overhaul, a small detail such as adding flushed tones to each skin tone would go so very far in a positive way. The devs are trying to point out details when they show us these updates to character models because not much has actually changed. It's like presenting two plain pieces of paper but they both have been folded in the same way, but the folds on one are just slightly more pristine - and being told "see! theyre not the same!!"
I still appreciate the overhaul, but the plain paper is still plain paper

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You are precisely correct. This is what has also been bothering me. I really hope the developers take your words into consideration. It seems as if the skin just does not have enough of the same lightning it had before for it to look natural? Like the nose/eye creases perhaps? But flushed skin is also what I heavily agree on.

They are only showing one set of combinations. We arent seeing any of the other jaw or face options.

I hope they get it right! I think it's really hard to tell from just the few screenshots and comparison they gave us though.

I play a midlander male, so this is what I'm most worried about. I personally don't see anything wrong with the nose and think the difference between the two images is pretty subtle. The nose looks maybe a little bit less pronounced and definitely smoother. Which is the same for the whole face. I'm optimistic that my midlander male will still have the same feel but just look better overall.

I do not find, that it looks strange. The lighting looks more correct. In the old picture the shadows are completely messed up.


Cheers

The shadows are fixed.

You are all right. In my eyes there is still something off but I am sure it is just the lightning. We cannot tell from just screenshots. I hope that they do look good ingame. Thank you.

I don't think that new face looks bad per se. The lighting looks alright, and it has that "toyetic" feel to it.
My main worry is that that's a totally different face than the before!
All the sharper angles in the nose and around the eyes are gone, and those are completely different lips.

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Originally Posted by Roda

I don't think that new face looks bad per se. The lighting looks alright, and it has that "toyetic" feel to it.
My main worry is that that's a totally different face than the before!
All the sharper angles in the nose and around the eyes are gone, and those are completely different lips.

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The lips are the same, this just really shows how BAD the old lip models are.



The nose is just smoother from the update. the shape is the same. Lighting and updated models really does wonders. Same with the eyes.


The old textures were just that bad. The nose wasn't angled by design, but it just looked that way because the textures were sharp around curves.

I think the problem you might have with it is the nostril being much too light, like there's an on bulb stuck up the nose XD

i overall "kinda" like how its shaped but feel like the head got way to narrow and we lost all the shadow cast from the nose, its to soft, our jawline is fading, our chin is as sharp as a sword now.. it looks like a bad snap chat filter, i dont want my character to become more childish and baby faced, i already cant have a beard and cant play thicc human because -EYEBROWS-
and the other races are to effeminate for my taste besides the over inflated never-see-past-your-body-adyn's...

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Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus

i overall "kinda" like how its shaped but feel like the head got way to narrow and we lost all the shadow cast from the nose, its to soft, our jawline is fading, our chin is as sharp as a sword now.. it looks like a bad snap chat filter, i dont want my character to become more childish and baby faced, i already cant have a beard and cant play thicc human because -EYEBROWS-
and the other races are to effeminate for my taste besides the over inflated never-see-past-your-body-adyn's...

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you'll wear your new anime girl face & LIKE IT!

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Originally Posted by eunno

It looks really off for me, for some reason. Something is really off, yet I cannot place it. What I would suggest is making it more subtle, like how the developers promised. The nose and the eyes appear to be the main focus of what feels weird to me... I hope you can get my point. Thank you.

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There will defo be a bit of an adjustment period for sure. IMO the lighting across the nose is simply more diffused and realistic, it looks a lot less like the character is being lit solely by a harsh overhead lamp which is often quite a glaring (hur hur) issue at least on Lala where half my head often seems fullbright and half is pitch black.

I'm pretty confident that in game and in motion, it'll look *much* better overall in more situations, especially in bright daytime areas.

They made most of the update look like ugly plastic dolls. It's honestly worrisome. I'm just hoping it's just the still images.

We'll know better when we see examples of older cut-scenes that still wipe out most facial features due to lighting. Because nothing says "improved" like seeing an improvement on the little more than whites of our eyes and, possible, a nose. Those used to be so unsettling.

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Originally Posted by tsuchii

They made most of the update look like ugly plastic dolls. It's honestly worrisome. I'm just hoping it's just the still images.

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The preview images are ideal lighting scenarios, so we'll need to wait and see how they look in the game under less flattering lighting.

Eyes are further away from each other now?

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Originally Posted by Bladedance87

Eyes are further away from each other now?

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They do look a little bit further apart maybe. But I measured and they are exactly the same. All the features of the face are exactly the same. Any differences must just be smoothing and lighting.

hes still got no complexion or more than 1 skin tone and he looks kinda scared.
he has no natural flush that brings life to the skin. kinda looks like he either has big cheek pores or really faded out freckles?