A Wholly Unoriginal Idea

I don't know if this has been suggested before or not or if it's been suggested to the Devs already and subsequently rejected, but had a thought to hit two birds with one stone.

That is to increase interaction with artists outside of the team to the team, while garnering a bit of 'immortality' of having their designs potentially in game. While also filling out some of the missing content from previous expansions comparatively to a new jobs release.

In short, why not open the design contests to that of previous trials, raids, relics, ultimates etc for jobs that don't have weapons from said content. Hold one every three months or something where in one contest the focus is Ifrit, then Garuda, then Titan etc right down the list.

This would:

1. Give those that are artists a means to further show off their skills
2. Keep Dev artists from having to do iterative designs for back logged/old content
3. Fill out some of the missing weapons from previous content

Just a random thought during a hygiene routine.

I don't think it takes much out of their day to design weapons, they likely have an entire room full of potential weapon designs stacked up just from artists doing what they do. I think the issue is modeling them, either because their graphics artists are inexperienced or severely understaffed. I see the huge quality drop from the concept art to the finished model of the recent contest winners and think it may be the former.

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Originally Posted by LioJen

I don't think it takes much out of their day to design weapons, they likely have an entire room full of potential weapon designs stacked up just from artists doing what they do. I think the issue is modeling them, either because their graphics artists are inexperienced or severely understaffed. I see the huge quality drop from the concept art to the finished model of the recent contest winners and think it may be the former.

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People tend underestimate the amount of time it takes to create a 3D model lol,
Making one 3D model can take up to 20-40 hrs ,and it depends on complexity of the model..
Now remember that hours/time = money ..so you see how this can be quite expensive..

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Originally Posted by Zeastria

People tend understatement the amount of time it takes to create a 3D model lol,
Making one 3D model can take up to 20-40 hrs ,and it depends on complexity of the model..
Now remember that hours/time = money ..so you see how this can be quite expensive..

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Exactly, and if you've been left with too few modelers spread too thin, or if you have to train new guys at the same time... you get 4 dungeons of reskins.

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

I don't know if this has been suggested before or not or if it's been suggested to the Devs already and subsequently rejected, but had a thought to hit two birds with one stone.

That is to increase interaction with artists outside of the team to the team, while garnering a bit of 'immortality' of having their designs potentially in game. While also filling out some of the missing content from previous expansions comparatively to a new jobs release.

In short, why not open the design contests to that of previous trials, raids, relics, ultimates etc for jobs that don't have weapons from said content. Hold one every three months or something where in one contest the focus is Ifrit, then Garuda, then Titan etc right down the list.

This would:

1. Give those that are artists a means to further show off their skills
2. Keep Dev artists from having to do iterative designs for back logged/old content
3. Fill out some of the missing weapons from previous content

Just a random thought during a hygiene routine.

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It's not that they don't have the ppl or resources to design these weapons but they don't care tbh. They are more focused on fast easy content that's cookie cutter because it's cheap to make and can allow the budget to go back into there pocket.

Would hurt their pride. That's my assumption.

It's the same reason they don't open the door to allowing modders submit content to the game through some sort of dev approval system in the same manner.

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I am ready for Titan Hard PLD weapon and Garuda Hard PLD Shield :-D
So let's gooo

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Would hurt their pride. That's my assumption.

It's the same reason they don't open the door to allowing modders submit content to the game through some sort of dev approval system in the same manner.

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While I don't deny pride doesn't play a role, I think it's actually far more complex than that. There's a lot of ground to trend when it comes to things like art theft, copyrights, credibility, ownership, ect. They can't just take submission ideas willy nilly because if they used those ideas then people would want rewards and recognition and SE probably doesn't want to cross into that territory. That's why modders are treated like competition rather than comrades. Also artists are very wishy washy when comes to permissions.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Would hurt their pride. That's my assumption.

It's the same reason they don't open the door to allowing modders submit content to the game through some sort of dev approval system in the same manner.

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

While I don't deny pride doesn't play a role, I think it's actually far more complex than that. There's a lot of ground to trend when it comes to things like art theft, copyrights, credibility, ownership, ect. They can't just take submission ideas willy nilly because if they used those ideas then people would want rewards and recognition and SE probably doesn't want to cross into that territory. That's why modders are treated like competition rather than comrades. Also artists are very wishy washy when comes to permissions.

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Both of these feel a little nonsensical considering they've held contests in the past for armors, weapons, and housing items. And said items from some of said contests are already in the game.

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

Both of these feel a little nonsensical considering they've held contests in the past for armors, weapons, and housing items. And said items from some of said contests are already in the game.

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I'm aware these items exist. I never stated they did not(the i650 weapons are the most recent case of them). If anything I would call you a little nonsensical or perhaps a little arrogant for thinking that the contests mean that the devs are willing to go the full way and allow these interactions all year round.

Those contests are their treat to us. It does not mean they're willing to let some 3rd party dev or artist take the reins all the time.

I'm not even against it either. Modders make some amazing content and fixes(bun and hroth hats), and it would be all too efficient to create a streamlined process where official devs check 3rd party created content and add the final fixes and implementations into the game. It's just not going to happen though.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

I'm aware these items exist. I never stated they did not(the i650 weapons are the most recent case of them). If anything I would call you a little nonsensical or perhaps a little arrogant for thinking that the contests mean that the devs are willing to go the full way and allow these interactions all year round.

Those contests are their treat to us. It does not mean they're willing to let some 3rd party dev or artist take the reins all the time.

I'm not even against it either. Modders make some amazing content and fixes(bun and hroth hats), and it would be all too efficient to create a streamlined process where official devs check 3rd party created content and add the final fixes and implementations into the game. It's just not going to happen though.

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Apparently I did give a time frame, but it was merely a suggestion not an ask, an example. Then you claim me to be arrogant? Quit projecting and reel in the ad hominems. When I said "Both of these feel a little nonsensical" it was towards your notion of them not doing it based on pride not yourself. If pride were a major deciding factor my point was that we wouldn't have had the contests we've had to begin with.

That aside...

As to it not happening. People asked for (I think they did, I might be wrong on this one, I might be misremembering.. correct me if I am) all mounts to fly. We got it. People asked for further methods of dressing up our characters. We got it in the form of umbrellas and much to my lament wings. Asked for more glam plates. Got it. Asked for more housing items slots. Well.. it's been a while, but apparently coming. Hell, asked for Housing. Got it.

And before I'm accused of being naive in the thought of simply asking for something yields a result. All this is is simply to see how the community would feel with the idea of opening the contests towards older content to fill out what isn't there. And to raise awareness of it; if it's at all there, to the Devs and Yoshi-P.