Class reworks

Is everyone ready for some HIGH octane drg/ast (whatever else they rework) gameplay where you get to press max 5 buttons to do BIG damage with 0 interactivity with any of your kit or overall mechanics.
If i come across a player who ISN'T using a macro to play these HIGH skill classes imma make a angry reddit post for them being toxic and trying to min max the fun out of everything.

Tl dr. game is too hard and cant use more than 3 braincells and need the devs to make it easier since i have 10 wives and 13 kids etc...

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How did you do that?

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Originally Posted by Solakor

Is everyone ready for some HIGH octane drg/ast (whatever else they rework) gameplay where you get to press max 5 buttons to do BIG damage with 0 interactivity with any of your kit or overall mechanics.
If i come across a player who ISN'T using a macro to play these HIGH skill classes imma make a angry reddit post for them being toxic and trying to min max the fun out of everything.

Tl dr. game is too hard and cant use more than 3 braincells and need the devs to make it easier since i have 10 wives and 13 kids etc...

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5 whole buttons? Man look at you wanting complex and deep gameplay. What every job needs is just one button.

/sarcasm

but big flashy effect make big number go up huge particles louisox gif. uhm ackchyually the job now play like job play

i want the time i spent on ARR SMN relic back

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Originally Posted by Solakor

...ast .... 5 buttons ...

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A healer with more than 2 buttons? We're being a little optimistic here.

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Originally Posted by Chasingstars

5 whole buttons? Man look at you wanting complex and deep gameplay. What every job needs is just one button.

/sarcasm

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the amount of buttons required to play, doesnt give a game mroe depht, it just makes it clunky.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

the amount of buttons required to play, doesnt give a game mroe depht, it just makes it clunky.

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certainly having 2 buttons doesn't give depth to the gameplay

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Hey, who's super excited for the drg rework?
1-2-3 combo, either 1 positional or none, some generic oGCD, 2 min cooldown buffs, spamming skill, etc.

The new drg is going to be the most complex and fun dps to play in DT hahaha.... *sigh*

Who cares as long as it looks flashy, right? I just want to spamm fell cleave or heat blast

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Originally Posted by Valence

Who cares as long as it looks flashy, right? I just want to spamm fell cleave or heat blast

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"We here at Square Enix have decided to do a mini rework for Warrior, and by extension Marauder for both the Berserk and Inner Release abilities. Fell Cleave and Decimate no longer need a beast gauge to be used and will always be direct critical hits when used"

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Originally Posted by Valence

Who cares as long as it looks flashy, right? I just want to spamm fell cleave or heat blast

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Yep just watch you will get your 1-2-3-4-5 combo, your AoE combo and Gier/nastrond will turn into GCD fell cleave abilities you throw out afterwards, with an extra jump ogcd every 30s. Disembowel and Chaos thrust will get removed and that will be that.

I thought Yoshi P said specifically for AST it’s the card system that’s getting the complete overhaul. I can’t find the article but I’m sure that’s what was said. I don’t think they will touch their healing too much because it’s fine I think.

Don't forget the button that they say is for movement but for some reason has a potency on it so you end up using all of the charges for damage and just play without the movement

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Originally Posted by Chasingstars

"We here at Square Enix have decided to do a mini rework for Warrior, and by extension Marauder for both the Berserk and Inner Release abilities. Fell Cleave and Decimate no longer need a beast gauge to be used and will always be direct critical hits when used"

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You joke but legitimately the most idiosyncratic thing about WAR currently is that it starts out requiring three working braincells and then slowly works its way down to one as you level up.

Dumb it down more. For consistency.

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

I thought Yoshi P said specifically for AST it’s the card system that’s getting the complete overhaul. I can’t find the article but I’m sure that’s what was said. I don’t think they will touch their healing too much because it’s fine I think.

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They've been changing the cards ever since AST was introduced, I wouldn't be surprised if they got rid of them all together or changed it into a 30s AoE small damage buff that you just threw out.

I don't think that more buttons equates to job complexity or depth, but SE doesn't seem to be able to make a small set of interdependent skills for a job.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

I don't think that more buttons equates to job complexity or depth, but SE doesn't seem to be able to make a small set of interdependent skills for a job.

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Take the blm. The blm at 90 doesn't have many buttons. Yet it has a considerable complexity: the player has to manage his resources, his movement, his timers to always keep up.
The skill bar isn't chock-full of skills, but it's a consistent and challenging job for the player.

So clearly not necessarily having many buttons = complexity in gameplay. Also because you can have 100 buttons but if you then have to press the buttons in sequence with 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-etc it's like having 1 single button. But the argument also applies the other way around.

With 3 narrow skills how do you give depth to the gameplay?

Take an action game: basically it has "two" main skills, but there is the whole action system behind it which makes those two skills an infinite number of different combinations between attacks in the air, dashing attacks and all the possible declinations of attacks based on direction and moment of use, parry, dash, iframe, various combos, attacks based on direction. Then usually an action not only has those basic attacks + action core, but also has other factors that make the gameplay spicy which can be the fields, environmental modifiers, other special attacks, a deep building system etc.

Clearly this considering a classic pve game.

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Originally Posted by Rychu

Don't forget the button that they say is for movement but for some reason has a potency on it so you end up using all of the charges for damage and just play without the movement

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They changed that for monk , but now the monk's dash doesn't engage you in combat, maybe add 1 potency to it to fix that lol.
I am not a fan to use mobility skills for damage as well, you essentially need to learn the fight to know when to keep one charge of it for movement.

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

I thought Yoshi P said specifically for AST it’s the card system that’s getting the complete overhaul. I can’t find the article but I’m sure that’s what was said. I don’t think they will touch their healing too much because it’s fine I think.

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I'm pretty sure that they specifically referred to how cumbersome the card system can be, and I'd be inclined to agree for real. Its accessibility is terrible, and the amount of actions the class requires to just achieve one little result (pull card > redraw because bad > deselect target > select target > play card > deselect target > select enemy again) is ludicrous. It's become the signature of that job and one of the main reason I hate playing it. It feels very bad and it's like the whole system and UI is fighting against me to prevent me from actually playing the class.

But what I expect SE to do considering their track record, is to just remove all mechanical intricacy instead, which to be frank, I couldn't even care about because ShB already did that to that job anyway (without addressing any of the playability issues to begin with, the irony).

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

I don't think that more buttons equates to job complexity or depth, but SE doesn't seem to be able to make a small set of interdependent skills for a job.

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Literally the story of MCH.

You can imagine my face when I saw what we had from the ShB media tour. All shinies, no mechanical intricacies, just a bunch of buttons that don't talk to each other, but nobody cared or didn't seem to see it.

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Originally Posted by Valence

I'm pretty sure that they specifically referred to how cumbersome the card system can be, and I'd be inclined to agree for real. Its accessibility is terrible, and the amount of actions the class requires to just achieve one little result (pull card > redraw because bad > deselect target > select target > play card > deselect target > select enemy again) is ludicrous. It's become the signature of that job and one of the main reason I hate playing it. It feels very bad and it's like the whole system and UI is fighting against me to prevent me from actually playing the class.

But what I expect SE to do considering their track record, is to just remove all mechanical intricacy instead, which to be frank, I couldn't even care about because ShB already did that to that job anyway (without addressing any of the playability issues to begin with, the irony).

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but this is the mechanics of the class.The ast buff isn't a bland thing like most buffs in this game.

It's a buff that works on proc and allows you to retry the proc to adjust your dps or adjust the party's rdps based on who has the highest damage output in that mini-window. (The problem is the crit is too important in this game and I underline that it is a wicked decision by the designers and therefore optimizing the buffs in those mini windows is not that relevant outside of 2 minutes.)
They will rework it and 100% they will have a button in store for us that buffs raw melee and ranged damage by 5% every 30 seconds with 2 charges. Wheew.

I never said they would delete cards completely. That would be silly.

Yes but how do you rework something like that. There are 3 buttons: 1 draws, 1 redraw and 1 assign.
That's 3 buttons for its core. It doesn't seem like that many buttons to me. It doesn't seem very convulted to me.
He's the only healer who at least doesn't have to spam 2 buttons but has a little more to think about.
How do you rework it differently other than merging everything into 1 button without proc which is good for melees and rangers?

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Originally Posted by Solakor

you get to press max 5 buttons to do BIG damage with 0 interactivity with any of your kit or overall mechanics

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Sounds fun, go play everquest 2 if you want superfluous filler rotations

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Originally Posted by Ggwppino

They will rework it and 100% they will have a button in store for us that buffs raw melee and ranged damage by 5% every 30 seconds with 2 charges. Wheew.

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call me nostradamus lol