Blunderville - Cheatfest

First I want to say thank you to the responsible people for resolving the queue times, now the queue is instant and waits for more people inside the waiting lobby. Good Job fixing it very promptly.

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There is so many mentor necromancers and various "legend" titles blinking in and out of the waiting lobby, it's very depressing.

What is the point of competition if it's rigged from start? It's forcing more and more people resort to addons to have ANY chances against those that use it already. Good luck if you're on console. F in the chat.

I placed first only once and only because it was day 1 and somewhat the game put me alone in whole instance.

I like the idea and execution of Fall Guys event in XIV, but just thinking of how much attempts go always unsuccessful makes me not want to participate at all.

inb4 "skill issue".

It's not because of skill issue. It's because server delay issue, cheaters issue, lack of communication issue, nonexistant moderation issue, because "my favorite game is becoming botfest and cheatfest like WoW and I refuse to look and pretend its ok" issue.

inb4 "not happy? unsub."

but that's not going to help neither me nor the game would change.

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Originally Posted by MAJRIS

First I want to say thank you to the responsible people for resolving the queue times, now the queue is instant and waits for more people inside the waiting lobby. Good Job fixing it very promptly.

however.

There is so many mentor necromancers and various "legend" titles blinking in and out of the waiting lobby, it's very depressing.

What is the point of competition if it's rigged from start? It's forcing more and more people resort to addons to have ANY chances against those that use it already. Good luck if you're on console. F in the chat.

I placed first only once and only because it was day 1 and somewhat the game put me alone in whole instance.

I like the idea and execution of Fall Guys event in XIV, but just thinking of how much attempts go always unsuccessful makes me not want to participate at all.

inb4 "skill issue".

It's not because of skill issue. It's because server delay issue, cheaters issue, lack of communication issue, nonexistant moderation issue, because "my favorite game is becoming botfest and cheatfest like WoW and I refuse to look and pretend its ok" issue.

inb4 "not happy? unsub."

but that's not going to help neither me nor the game would change.

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It's not because of skill issue. It's because server delay issue, cheaters issue, lack of communication issue, nonexistant moderation issue, because "my favorite game is becoming botfest and cheatfest like WoW and I refuse to look and pretend its ok" issue.

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my favorite game is becoming botfest and cheatfest like WoW

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I dont think you play wow, the second you fly hack, speed hack or anything alike in WoW you get instant banned because of dead zones, while in FFXIV you have flying lalas all over the place (over 150 on Dynamis at night and that's just for new gridania marilith)

I dont think FFXIV has any lesson to give to WoW in regards to fighting RMT and botting/cheating, it's all over the place, while in WoW it's actually dealt with.

How are people cheating now? The only example I saw in your post is people going in and out of lobbies. Fairly certain they are just going for the exploit to go in a solo instance.
I haven't played much since it came out. Is there legit cheating or is it just people being salty they lost?

And let's ignore that pointless and baseless jab at wow.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I dont think you play wow, the second you fly hack, speed hack or anything alike in WoW you get instant banned because of dead zones, while in FFXIV you have flying lalas all over the place (over 150 on Dynamis at night and that's just for new gridania marilith)

I dont think FFXIV has any lesson to give to WoW in regards to fighting RMT and botting/cheating, it's all over the place, while in WoW it's actually dealt with.

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Pssst those Lala are in mating season, dont mind em xD

So WoW just goes by "hey that char should not be here... INSTA BAN!"? I never got why they are this lazy here, literally check for the time between quests, if its 1/10th the time youd normally need, its a ban.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

How are people cheating now? The only example I saw in your post is people going in and out of lobbies. Fairly certain they are just going for the exploit to go in a solo instance.
I haven't played much since it came out. Is there legit cheating or is it just people being salty they lost?

And let's ignore that pointless and baseless jab at wow.

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Yes there is cheating, speed hacks and a plug-in that shows the hitboxes of upcoming obstacles (someone posted a link to a vid in another thread). Edit: according to reddit, there is also a bot that does the entire course and something to auto leave the lobby if not alone in it. This event is a complete fail due to the achievement that they added.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Pssst those Lala are in mating season, dont mind em xD

So WoW just goes by "hey that char should not be here... INSTA BAN!"? I never got why they are this lazy here, literally check for the time between quests, if its 1/10th the time youd normally need, its a ban.

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Back in 2010 or so I thought it would be "funny" to try a speed thing in WoW, it worked for about 5 seconds before the server picked it up and permanently banned me. I never touched anything like that again after that


Take in mind that was in 2010.

We are 13 years later so it's much better now.

Also lmao at the lala comment, they actually come out of the ground and stuff and start flying around its an hilarious show really, they just fly behind the grand company npcs too it's kinda comical

I'm gonna say it.
Skill issue.... partially.

I got my 100 wins rather quickly and am still getting frequent wins because... well, I'm good at it.
Unless your ping is horrible, there should be no ping issues. I have been seeing things to be very consistent. (The timing of certain lock ins is indeed questionable, but it is not a ping issue. It's something else.)
I have not seen any cheaters yet that I could notice, so I guess I'm a bit lucky there.
A major hurdle to overcome is that there a LOT of good players and most finale lobbies have multiple of them so it is indeed a struggle to win, even if there's no cheating around.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

while in WoW it's actually dealt with.

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The reason why I'm still playing here instead of having a lv60 warlock in WoW classic era is because of those RMT bots who flooded the server with gold and made GDKP the only way to obtain loot (Aka gold buying the loot that drops)

Nope, it's definitely not dealt with in WoW, and I hope Microsoft do something about it.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

Yes there is cheating, speed hacks and a plug-in that shows the hitboxes of upcoming obstacles (someone posted a link to a vid in another thread). Edit: according to reddit, there is also a bot that does the entire course and something to auto leave the lobby if not alone in it. This event is a complete fail due to the achievement that they added.

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Should've been more specific. I know there's always gonna be a Reddit post of "this person is cheating!". But have you guys actually seen cheaters in action?
The way a select few talk about it, it's as if it happens every game.

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

The reason why I'm still playing here instead of having a lv60 warlock in WoW classic era is because of those RMT bots who flooded the server with gold and made GDKP the only way to obtain loot (Aka gold buying the loot that drops)

Nope, it's definitely not dealt with in WoW, and I hope Microsoft do something about it.

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Gold farmers and speed hacks are not the same thing at all.

And for that you can kinda blame Blizzard with the option to buy gold on retail via the wow token. People are accustomed to buying gold over there. Of course they'll continue doing so even in classic.

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

The reason why I'm still playing here instead of having a lv60 warlock in WoW classic era is because of those RMT bots who flooded the server with gold and made GDKP the only way to obtain loot (Aka gold buying the loot that drops)

Nope, it's definitely not dealt with in WoW, and I hope Microsoft do something about it.

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I wouldn't count on it personally, The wanted Activision/Blizzard for control of the Call of Duty Franchise as they most likely eventually plan to do with it the same thing they did with Starfield and probably with the next Elderscrolls as well and exclude it from Sony consoles to push xbox sales. They aren't likely to interfere with WoW unless they decide they want that title playable on xbox.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

Should've been more specific. I know there's always gonna be a Reddit post of "this person is cheating!". But have you guys actually seen cheaters in action?
The way a select few talk about it, it's as if it happens every game.

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Cheaters aren't going to make it super obvious they are cheating, and some cheats are just inherently more subtle than others.
The game having no measures against cheating just means there will always be the possibility that someone else is cheating in a minor way you can't really notice.
Of course there is also the possibility of people just being paranoid or can't handle losing as well.

Just because you don't see someone running around at mach 5 or flying through the air doesn't mean there are no cheaters ,it could be something as minimal as giving themselves additional 10% movement speed, and that being enough.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I dont think you play wow, the second you fly hack, speed hack or anything alike in WoW you get instant banned because of dead zones, while in FFXIV you have flying lalas all over the place (over 150 on Dynamis at night and that's just for new gridania marilith)

I dont think FFXIV has any lesson to give to WoW in regards to fighting RMT and botting/cheating, it's all over the place, while in WoW it's actually dealt with.

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While I'm not a fan of any Blizzard games creatively, I respect that they actually put significant resources into fighting against cheating. They even sued some of the biggest cheat makers to stop their activities.

Square just don't fight for the integrity of their game at close to the same level. I think the relatively clean JP datacenters make them greatly underestimate the problems overseas.

People have been botting everything, going out of bounds, speedhacking, etc forever on NA/EU. I don't think these regions even have their own dedicated task force to monitor this stuff and learn the patterns of popular bots and cheats.

There's video of the cheat mod in action on Reddit so I'm not clear why anyone doubts people are cheating. This completely zaps the fun out of the event and needs to be fixed ASAP.

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Originally Posted by seaotter42

There's video of the cheat mod in action on Reddit so I'm not clear why anyone doubts people are cheating. This completely zaps the fun out of the event and needs to be fixed ASAP.

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There's no doubt about cheats being a thing.
But there is some doubt in how common cheaters are.
I still have not lost to a cheater and I have about 150 wins.
Not every person that runs better is guaranteed a cheater.

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Originally Posted by RyveSontek

There's no doubt about cheats being a thing.
But there is some doubt in how common cheaters are.
I still have not lost to a cheater and I have about 150 wins.
Not every person that runs better is guaranteed a cheater.

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I got a chuckle out of the video on the subreddit right now of people using the instant leave/join plug in to try and guarantee a solo instance. Was a surprising amount of people doing it in that video.

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Originally Posted by seaotter42

There's video of the cheat mod in action on Reddit so I'm not clear why anyone doubts people are cheating. This completely zaps the fun out of the event and needs to be fixed ASAP.

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The only person in here questioning it is me and I'm asking for how frequently people see it.
Judging from the couple responses so far, doesn't seem all too frequent.

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Originally Posted by SeriousPan

I got a chuckle out of the video on the subreddit right now of people using the instant leave/join plug in to try and guarantee a solo instance. Was a surprising amount of people doing it in that video.

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Yeah, that's kinda questionable and I dislike it because it makes the lobbies take longer to form. But these people are not cheating in runs. Since they only play solo runs.

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Originally Posted by MAJRIS

There is so many mentor necromancers and various "legend" titles blinking in and out of the waiting lobby, it's very depressing.

What is the point of competition if it's rigged from start?

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I don't understand what you're trying to say. Can you explain how whatever you're describing puts you at a disadvantage? I'm a console player who has played somewhere between 50-100 games (won 5 times), and I've never seen anything that made it seem like someone was winning by any manner of cheating.

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Originally Posted by RyveSontek

Yeah, that's kinda questionable and I dislike it because it makes the lobbies take longer to form. But these people are not cheating in runs. Since they only play solo runs.

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But they're cheating to get solo runs, so....still cheating.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

But they're cheating to get solo runs, so....still cheating.

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What are you trying to say?
No one is denying that people are cheating in different ways.
I was addressing the question on how common cheats are in actual runs and how the people autoqueueing are a different but separate issue.
So how does your comment contribute?

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Originally Posted by RyveSontek

What are you trying to say?
No one is denying that people are cheating in different ways.
I was addressing the question on how common cheats are in actual runs and how the people autoqueueing are a different but separate issue.
So how does your comment contribute?

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People jump the gun way too fast at responding to people without even looking at the context.
I've been guilty of this as well sadly

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Originally Posted by RyveSontek

Yeah, that's kinda questionable and I dislike it because it makes the lobbies take longer to form. But these people are not cheating in runs. Since they only play solo runs.

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Yeah, didn't mean to imply they were cheating. Just making note of how there's like 3 different angles people are coming at Blunderville to try and get this title and it seems to be getting worse. lol Cheaters, Solo Chasers and... actual players.

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

People have been botting everything, going out of bounds, speedhacking, etc forever on NA/EU. I don't think these regions even have their own dedicated task force to monitor this stuff and learn the patterns of popular bots and cheats.

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they do not. they have four people... for the entire planet. Their "Special Task Force" as they call it, is four whole people to deal with bots from 28 servers. All reports are required to go through them, the GMs in game are authorized to do nothing. I doubt the JP data centers are all that "clean" personally, maybe they are, likely 4 people could take care of those... but they fail utterly outside of that. Its my biggest beef with the game, you think the forums are bad for moderation, the game is as bad for bot/cheater control outside of Japan. all they seem to go after is the low hanging fruit.. namely the RMT barkers in the cities.

even when detailed observations and reports are sent in to the STF, the people are still botting years later. whatever they are doing, it isnt enough for all the data centers.

as for Blunderville? the misdirection thing always messes me up and that seems a common thing in the game, and for me yes, thats a skill issue, but I will never rack up a win lol.

One of the cheating plugins being used for the event has been downloaded roughly 3500 times so far, and has only been available for 2-3 days.

Given that almost anyone downloading it is probably grinding 100 wins, the chances of running into someone using it are unfortunately very high.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

But they're cheating to get solo runs, so....still cheating.

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Honestly if they need to use cheats to get solo runs, they're doing it wrong and I bet it takes them longer. I'll admit I'm a solo player because I enjoy treating it like a leap of faith to get my 100 instead of competing against maybe 23 other people just to slip up once and waste however many minutes to not count toward my wins. But I have lobby entering and leaving just down to timed science, but it all depends on current lobby time

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Originally Posted by MAJRIS

First I want to say thank you to the responsible people for resolving the queue times, now the queue is instant and waits for more people inside the waiting lobby. Good Job fixing it very promptly.

however.

There is so many mentor necromancers and various "legend" titles blinking in and out of the waiting lobby, it's very depressing.

What is the point of competition if it's rigged from start? It's forcing more and more people resort to addons to have ANY chances against those that use it already. Good luck if you're on console. F in the chat.

I placed first only once and only because it was day 1 and somewhat the game put me alone in whole instance.

I like the idea and execution of Fall Guys event in XIV, but just thinking of how much attempts go always unsuccessful makes me not want to participate at all.

inb4 "skill issue".

It's not because of skill issue. It's because server delay issue, cheaters issue, lack of communication issue, nonexistant moderation issue, because "my favorite game is becoming botfest and cheatfest like WoW and I refuse to look and pretend its ok" issue.

inb4 "not happy? unsub."

but that's not going to help neither me nor the game would change.

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What are you talking about classic wow has a huge issue with people flying due to hacks, there are multiple videos on twitch on YouTube of people just standing and watching people teleport up a tree and then fly away. Also they have a huge rmt problem right now because of the GDKP raids to the point if you're not buying gold you can't compete for bis

The addon is now up to 4094 downloads as of this morning; That's 600 more players using it in less than 24 hours, assuming the download counter updates regularly.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

The addon is now up to 4094 downloads as of this morning; That's 600 more players using it in less than 24 hours, assuming the download counter updates regularly.

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Is that a surprise ? This event is an absolute bugged mess and an actual atrocity, there's no fun except if you literally live next or not far away from the servers

JP players are having a blast, they have 0 server tick and latency and 0 netcode issues because they are so close to the servers, while every other region is struggling, and some people like me (EU playing on NA) are literally unable to win at all, I won 3 times since it released, and that was back when it released in the first hour because not many people were on so it wasnt as laggy.

I read this somewhere else but it's really true, SE designs everything in this game like all players are going to have a very JP-esque mentality about it rather than thinking along the lines of "Okay we're assuming our players are all little rats who are going to cheat or do whatever they can to break this, how do we disincentivize this or make it where that won't be the case so the largest amount of people think it's fair and fun?"

I'm not sure what's more likely, that SE doesn't understand/know that people will cheat for a limited time PvP prestige reward even in something as stupid as Fall Guys, or they just don't care. But considering how many people who blatantly cheated when the Feast was a thing are still in the game now, likely cheating still in Crystalline Conflict, it just seems more likely that they don't care.

IMO, they should've never tied a title to a win based achievement especially in a limited time event. This is the same community that is full of people who will not only pay real world money, but also share their account information with a 3rd party to pilot their accounts to clear Ultimates/Deep Dungeons for them because they value something "exclusive" rather than actually wanting to put forth the effort and get enjoyment from the actually really enjoyable content. Even in another thread I saw people agreeing with a statement along the lines of "this event is done so poorly I don't care if people cheat to get the title" which is hilariously depressing but just sets the standard of where a lot of the community is at this point because SE does nothing about the rampant cheating/botting that goes on.

I care even less about that title now, lol.

Even if there wasn't cheating, most people grinding for 100 wins are well aware of the "as optimal as you can get" paths now. So there's that too.

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Originally Posted by Eastwall

I care even less about that title now, lol.

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The title was kinda mid anyways

But it still sucks people are blatantly cheating

I don't really have a problem with people leaving.
I do have a problem with people automating it.

I'll leave too, I don't want to play with cheaters who use addons.
But I won't bot leaving. I'll just push the buttons the game gives me to do it.

So I feel like the overall complaint is two folded. There's people leaving, which may or may not be cheating to do this.
And there are people who are outright cheating the AOEs. (not to mention speedhacking). This only gets more people to want solo queues, because a hollow solo instance victory is better than playing with cheaters.

Yes, I am one of those Alpha Legends who recently leaves lobbies.

(I wont refuse a solo instance, getting 100 wins is not easy), but mostly as a tactical step to avoid certain players, whom I suspect are either using the auto pilot scripts, or something similar.

It is very easy to tell, when the same person is winning every game, by running in such a pixel perfect manner, always 1 step ahead of you, even if you avoid every bomb and hammer as much as humanly possible.. then you check their end game history, and these players don't even have P11S / P12S cleared. Yet somehow they are godlike in dodging invisible snapshots to the utmost precision.

My judgement might be wrong for some of them, and I don't mind casual raiders, but casual raiders, with little to no raiding experience, typically do not produce such brilliant maneuverability and mechanic reading which they seem to display so clearly in Blunderville.

Square should begin pulling the plug on Mods and finally start following their own Terms of Use. There is a limit to everything. I know that Square relies heavily on RPers and Fantasia buyers, many of them utilizing mods and texture packs and whatnot, but it needs to stop, because as long as their 'harmless' addons are being begrudgingly accepted, the actual hackers and troublemakers sneak themselves in.

I have lost patience with how lazy and mod reliant players are becoming, especially in raiding, many of whom even cancel raid nights, because apparently their mod launcher is not working and the 'game is unplayable without it'.

Any sort of UI tweaks are just laziness after a certain point. So far, I never really had issues with mod users, I was never bothered by the random hair texture addons, weird timers and gadgets, 80% of my FC and static members use one or more mods and some form of 3rd party tools, which are oft appreciated, especially when reading wipes and calculating boss damage.. but I'd prefer a bland and stripped and generic in-game tools for everybody, rather than this craziness.

I am baffled what are the guys in Square doing, after the absurdity with the TOP world race, PvP godmode/speed/etc hackers being revealed and reported, now this as well.. when is that precious last line gonna be drawn? I know that the innocent might suffer because of a few rotten apples, but in order to target this outrage, a stricter approach is bound to happen in my opinion, or this will never end. Next Ultimate tier, probably somebody will reveal how their modded script ran the fight for them, and maybe infinite DPS 'tweaks' to one-shot bosses are incoming too..

TLDR: I began leaving lobbies, because I wish to avoid the cheaters and those who abuse mods for an advantage over others in Blundervile. I also blame Square for being so passive about their own Terms of Use and for insisting of bloating the game with unholy grinding achievements, which spawn the many cheaters and botters around.

For that last part i blame both, SE for the stupid "do 100000000000000 xyz" archivments"
and players for their need to have everything and impatience....