Logging into Marilith at 11:50pm PST and met with a queue of 110. Yes a short queue, but when the PF is empty, no hunt trains, no S ranks no nothing, it's telling how many bots there are. Stand at the Gridania main aetheryte and see more bots than people. You see bots with non-sensical names, teleporting in and suddenly disappear (clip underground).
A simple player search with no first name and first name, level 1-99 will show a list with overwhelmingly more bots than actual people. Funny, 50 bards at level 50 all at the roost watching cutscenes at the same time, and another 30 around level 13 at central shroud to name a few.
Why are those obvious bots not purged on a daily basis?
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11-04-2023, 04:04 PMwhatinthePlease purge some bots on Dynamis. They're making real players wait in queues.
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11-04-2023, 04:06 PMStormpeaksThere's literally over 100 bots in New Gridania alone on Marilith/Maduin, and that's a single main city, the same goes for limsa/uldahQuote:
Originally Posted by whatinthe
they actually just dont care
It's shameful really, crafting on front of the GC at New Grid you can see the lala bots fly all over the place behind the counter where the npcs are, coming from the ground and go up in the air
But hey at least we have a "special task force"
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11-04-2023, 06:15 PMJojoya
Yes, bots are a problem. They do get purged on an almost daily basis - and those creating them just make more. Easy enough to set up the free trial accounts then upgrade them to paid status using fictitious/stolen payment information once they near the 300k cap for free trial accounts.
But a minute queue time to wait to get into the game isn't going to kill you. You can always get up and get a drink or something during that minute.
I guess I was lucky. I was 68th in queue trying to log onto my Maduin alt tonight. I only had to wait 30 seconds. -
11-04-2023, 06:23 PMStormpeakshttps://media4.giphy.com/media/jeXiz1RAvzX44/giphy.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
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11-04-2023, 06:53 PMDarkobra
Nobody? No? Ok. I'll do it.
Purge SOME bots on Dynamis? So some are ok? What's the criteria? Do we get rid of the botanists but keep the miners? Do we ban only Lalafell bots and force some Roe Mammas to come forth with their beauty and stun us all with their glorious muscles? A woman who can eat like I do, lift more than I can and can carry me up the stairs at the end of a long day...
I'm for this. I am 1000% for this. BRING FORTH THE ROE MAMMAS! MY BODY IS READY! -
11-04-2023, 07:56 PMTaleraRistain
I think it may also be related to how people are going to Dynamis right now trying to get solo instances in Fall Guys. There are a lot of Traveler tags on Mari right now.
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11-04-2023, 08:35 PMJojoyaNo, it's the bots. It was happening even before Fall Guys. The numbers are just slightly higher now. Before Fall Guys, the queues would be in the 30-60 range.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaleraRistain
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11-04-2023, 08:36 PMArdethIt's because they are gaming the system using a smaller player sample. Less people queing means more wins for their title. Which was fine. I was never going to win anyway, but seeing someone coming over for this of all things stings. Given how bad our queues are for everything else. It reminds me of Ardbert in Heavensward. "Now you deign to awnser our prayers!? I will suffer this farce no longer. "Quote:
Originally Posted by TaleraRistain
The irony in the selfish masses coming to little ole Dynamis for easy wins while the people of Dynamis go without bodies for queues. We finally have some sort of edge, and they exploit it. I'd say I'm not surprised, but that's pretty standard human behavior. Selfish animals as we are, at least we are constant.
But to the matter at hand, the bot problem is an embarrassment. You can sit in Limsa and watch them fly. Literally watch them fly. I'm not sure how you're gonna fix it, to be honest. At this point, it's a force of nature. The more they ban, the more sprout out of the ground. -
11-04-2023, 10:37 PMBoblawblah
I can understand increased queues due to people trying to get easy Fall Guys victories, but why would bots suddenly be interested in the DC because of Fall Guys?
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11-05-2023, 03:33 AMGTK0HLKDon't Hate The Player, Hate The Game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardeth
Or do like most 2077 players and Party Like it's 2023.
Jokes aside, we can't get mad at something being done against a system that doesn't work out the best way.
Only Cause it looks like it counteracts another issue.
Both can coexist.
Absolute BS how Dynamis is empty, but I expect alot of TEARS and Pain once DT comes around, which will force many communities to grown in Dynamis to even progress.
Which tbh, it has needed Lockdowning for awhile.
[if anything, it'll create a Springboard for any aspiring Streamer/YouTuber to run their own Clear4X]
Should of Locked Down Ages ago, but DT is a good Push.
As for fallguys, we'll, it was bound to happen.
It'll show devs that the arbitrary number doesn't make players want to bear with, the longer it goes on.
Besides, Many previously have suggested hosting Their "Community" Events in Dynamis, Cause Free Playerless RealEstate.
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Ontopic though, Why Haven't they Fn added Killfloors Yet?!
So easy to just find where they at, and just add a level where they just Disappear.
Hell, make it warp em to a New GM Jail where it sorts them out.(in the case someone got snatched along with the drones)
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11-09-2023, 02:58 PMTaleraRistainYep I've been busy with my main but my alt's FC mates are over there doing Fall Guys on Dynamis and telling me in our Discord they're seeing tons of people coming in trying to get small instances. And yeah I've seen all the lala bards around when I'm either on my alt or popped over on my main. I think things will get "fixed" not by anything SE will really be able to do but by the way they were with Jenova. We used to have a pretty large bot problem too way back when we were very small. As we gained population, there wasn't room for the bots anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardeth
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11-09-2023, 11:49 PMReynTimeThere is way more to it than that. Bot-controlled cap-level players with familiar names from since Shadowbringers can still be found around. They're barely banning MSQ and chat-spam bots and leaving at that. It's also incredibly naive to think every bot account uses fraudulent payment information. They make a lot more money back than it costs them to have accounts subbed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
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11-10-2023, 12:08 AMSindele
Small login queues generally aren't real capacity queues. There is never a time where a login is queueless (aside from returning from DCs) because the system lets people in in timed batches.
Their existence might be a problem, but they're not really making anyone wait substantially longer than normal. -
11-10-2023, 01:10 AMAvoidyYour queue is actually quadruple what mine is and I'm on balmung.Quote:
Originally Posted by whatinthe
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11-10-2023, 04:38 AMJojoyaI'm aware there are some players using botting programs just as RMT does. The player operated bots tend to behave more like normal players, though, and generally aren't noticed unless someone is going out of their way to look for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReynTime
The vast majority of the bot problem comes from the major RMT sellers, though, and it's those bots that generate the complaints such as the OP's. They're using obvious hacks that catch player attention not to mention all the ad spam that gets generated.
In both cases, the only way to get rid of the bots permanently is to get rid of the players who want to cheat. Focusing solely on the bots leaves the endless parade active because as long as there is someone willing to pay real money to cheat, someone else is going to be happy to provide the service. Remove one provider and another will appear.
It's been wild. I want to say it started getting worse on Dynamis than Crystal around 6.45.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avoidy
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11-10-2023, 04:50 AMAvoidyI had no idea it was so bad. If it's going to be like this with no discernible intervention from anyone in charge, then Square should issue an apology to everyone who moved to Dynamis and let them transfer off for free if they want to. It might result in some bots jumping ship too, but at least you wouldn't be stuck dealing with the worst of both worlds. Like... Balmung's got bots too, but at least we also have real players to offset the bot presence. When it's just majority bots, that sucks ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
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11-10-2023, 05:40 AMJojoyaThe majority aren't bots by any means but you're right that having large amounts of players standing around AFK helps to hide their presence. Like any MMO, you eventually learn to ignore the bots as long as they're not directly in your face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avoidy
Dynamis wouldn't have the problems associated it with it if players with Dynamis characters would play on Dynamis instead of hopping to one of the other data centers. Data center travel goes both ways - if friends playing on different data centers want to play together, they can just as easily come to Dynamis as have the Dynamis players go to the other data center. But because the Dynamis players almost automatically choose to go elsewhere, it leaves the Dynamis worlds on the empty side.
I still think all data centers would benefit is SE shut down data center travel to worlds locked to new character creation (except for players returning to their home worlds). Players on those worlds would still have the option to join their friends on non-locked worlds to do content together. -
11-10-2023, 05:42 AMrecommendations
Lol, they won't ban them. Botting is a key money maker for square. I suggest you dive into the world of XIV botting and RMT to really understand just how deep it is. Don't worry about getting banned since there is not enforcement action actually taken. Ask me how I know.