Sil'dih

Was playing the Miner quests and one of the NPC was talking about Sil'dih, an ancient city that was much like Ul'dah. She was talking about "gazing upon the ruins" and things like that. As far as I know, that's the only time it's mentioned, and it intrigued me.

I'm really hoping that 2.0 includes actually ruins of Sil'dih. Something reminiscent of the ruins out in Sauromugue Champaign in FFXI, with crumbling walls and towers. Something to liven the area up. Maybe even an explorable dungeon kind of like Shposhae?

Somehow I highly doubt it'll happen unless that's part of the "each area will have multiple themes", since it seems unlikely given the current ruins you can find and SOMEWHAT explore in a way, they liter with monsters that'll attack you for more than you'll ever have HP wise, almost as if to say "why are you exploring? Gtfo" like they don't want you there lol.

In XI a lot of ruins were indeed left over from ancient times or war times (Sauro is mostly fortifications during the Crystal War) and since in XIV we know that something big happened in the past, you'd expect to see a fair bit more, but a lot of Garlean controlled areas aren't even open to us yet.

In 2.0 we'll probably get something with an expansion at some point, but I think the MAIN thing they need to do is redo the damn attribute system if they're going to liter ACTUAL PLACES YOU SHOULD SEE WITH MONSTERS WHO CAN ONE HIT YOU >__> There's also a city in the sky we'll eventually have to explore which I hope they can make it rival Ru`Aun Gardens in terms of lore and functionality and not something lazily thrown in just to have new zones.

It's unfortunate that there's not much of Sil'dih to see. I'd imagine that they had more plans for it later on, but that was put on hold until 2.0 sorted other things out first.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

In 2.0 we'll probably get something with an expansion at some point, but I think the MAIN thing they need to do is redo the damn attribute system if they're going to liter ACTUAL PLACES YOU SHOULD SEE WITH MONSTERS WHO CAN ONE HIT YOU >__>

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What does point attributes have to do with a long lost civilization, or even monster spawns? If they choose to put level 70+ monsters in an area, that's SE's business. If they had actual content to go in that area, I'm pretty sure they'd move the monsters elsewhere. Please don't derail the thread into a 'point'less argument about points (see wut I did thar). Especially when point attributes are the least likely thing to be changed anytime soon.

The issue is, the way this game works monsters well above your level can hit you for 2-4x your max HP, which honestly shouldn't be the case at all. This is what limits exploration because of pretty much auto dying trying to explore due to SE's poor monster placement while having a poor attribute system.

Sil'dih is underground at this point according to lore. It was destroyed in one of the Umbral Eras and eventually buried by sandstorms. It's most likely near-by Copperbell Mines because there is a section of the mines called the Sil'dih Aquaducts. You can see it on the map and it was used as the area you fight the Lambs of Dalamud in that one live event quest.

That's all I know about it. I'd love being able to time-travel back to explore the city (like in that one XI expansion where you time-travel).

Sil'dih is actually Raccoon City. If you don't believe me, go talk to the NPC that flags the Monk quest. He'll give you the whole back story on it.

Edit: Here's the history from Erik.

"I need hardly mention that Sil'dihn civilization is now centuries dead.

Sil'dih was plunged into chaos in the wake of King Lalawefu's demise─or the King of Springs, as he was known. Despite the success of his economic reforms, the tax increases he imposed did not sit well with his subjects. This, coupled with a prolonged sequence of untimely droughts, fomented unrest among the people and in time sparked violent unrest throughout the kingdom. Sil'dih was not alone in its want for water. Ul'dah, too, felt the effects of the droughts. The sultan at the time, Sasagan Ul Sisigan─ Ah! But perhaps you recognize the Ul name? The current sultana, Nanamo Ul Namo, represents the second Ul dynasty. She is Sasagan's distant descendant. Now...where was I? Ah, yes! Right, so, Sasagan ordered an attack on Sil'dih to claim the water resources discovered as a result of Lalawefu's flood control acts.

But the royalty and nobility of Sil'dih would not remain idle. They mobilized their nation in the face of this crisis, and the people fought with great tenacity against the Ul'dahn threat. The full strength of both nations met in battle, and the end result was an arduous protracted conflict. Though arguably more desirable than surrender, the ruling Sil'dihn elite took little pleasure in having succeeded in uniting the theretofore querulous citizenry to fight. For despite all they accomplished, every day spent waging war dragged the nation's financial affairs─which you will recall had only just been brought under control─back into the mire.

To bring an end to the long military deadlock, Sil'dih devised and set about implementing a perverse yet ambitious strategy. It sought to zombify the deceased among its army, that they might fight again. At first, it appeared to have worked. Yet at the height of hostilities, the Sil'dihns lost control over their necrotic creations. The undead turned on their masters, and before long the zombification had spread to a majority of the population. Ever knowing an opportunity when they saw one, the Ul'dahns grasped this turn of events to justify their war─now proclaiming it a crusade to send these zombies to Thal. After seeing to the extermination of all zombies outside the city, they then sealed the gates of Sil'dih, entrapping both the living and dead within.

And that, in brief, is a history of the fall of Sil'dih. I only pray that your feeble mind is able to retain it."

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If I were to take a guess... I'd assume in 2.0 Sil'Dih will be XIV's version of Eldieme Necropolis from XI.

Wishful thinking~

My god I want it open

Very interesting. Guess I should read more cut-scenes/NPC text instead of skipping them/spamming through the text :(

It's interesting you bring up Sil'dih. I ran across an NPC in the conjurer's guild that spoke of a city beneath Gridania too. It was not Sil'dih that was referred to, but it seems they share a common trait.

Both appear to be ruins beneath these current cities.
Maybe there is something more to these?
I now wonder if anyone in Limsa speaks of a city buried under Limsa Lominsa.

Well, if Nenekko does as she says, she will spend her time making sure Sil'dih isn't forgotten! I really hope she makes a return in 2.0, because I absolutely fell in love with her!

http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...20EC42A78D1C1/

That is pretty interesting to read. Would explain why there are zombies in various Ul'Dah guildleves. It would be cool in the future they took Sil'dih's ruins and made it into a dungeon. Would be fun and very lore friendly.

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Originally Posted by Holy_Dragoon

I now wonder if anyone in Limsa speaks of a city buried under Limsa Lominsa.

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Atlantis? >_>

This is what i love about the Final Fantasy MMO's - theres a feeling to the world, a history to embellish the storylines, a reason to go exploring the maps to see if you find traces of mentioned places or events..

The city under the Black Shroud, Gelmorra is apparently where the first people of the black shroud lived before they gained the friendship of the elementals and could live on the surface without fear of attack. It's mentioned in the WHM quests too I believe. You can also learn a lot by talking to random NPCs.

The Sil'dih will rise again!!

An ancient city under the sand, under the trees and underwater would be cool.

Well, the Sahagin city is under-water, and that is nearby Limsa. Does that count?

Yes, it's pobably related

if it is buried, and part of it is in copperbell mines, they could make it like that city in FF6 that you find when riding in the castle underground, where you find odin.

they could make it like a new chamber was unearthed by miners and it led to the ruins. would be interesting.

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Originally Posted by Meow_Zedong

That's all I know about it. I'd love being able to time-travel back to explore the city (like in that one XI expansion where you time-travel).

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I think that was sort of their original plan with the whole "echo" thing, but I'm not sure if they're sticking with that or not.

If Sil'dih was buried by a switch from an Astral to Umbral era, what's to say that Sil'dih can't be partially un-buried by another such switch?

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Somehow I highly doubt it'll happen unless that's part of the "each area will have multiple themes", since it seems unlikely given the current ruins you can find and SOMEWHAT explore in a way, they liter with monsters that'll attack you for more than you'll ever have HP wise, almost as if to say "why are you exploring? Gtfo" like they don't want you there lol.

In XI a lot of ruins were indeed left over from ancient times or war times (Sauro is mostly fortifications during the Crystal War) and since in XIV we know that something big happened in the past, you'd expect to see a fair bit more, but a lot of Garlean controlled areas aren't even open to us yet.

In 2.0 we'll probably get something with an expansion at some point, but I think the MAIN thing they need to do is redo the damn attribute system if they're going to liter ACTUAL PLACES YOU SHOULD SEE WITH MONSTERS WHO CAN ONE HIT YOU >__> There's also a city in the sky we'll eventually have to explore which I hope they can make it rival Ru`Aun Gardens in terms of lore and functionality and not something lazily thrown in just to have new zones.

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Elexia said it best.

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Originally Posted by Doho

The Sil'dih will rise again!!

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...until Ul'dah crushes your blaspheming asses!

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Elexia said it best.

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She did, for 2/3 paragraphs.

Speaking of ruins, did they ever use that room in the back of that Ant place near Nophicas?

It would be cool if, in the future, the Ruins of Sil'dih were used as a raid instance full of undead.

The aquaducts? They used it for part of the 7th umbral era events. You got teleported there and had to fight with doomsday cultists.

There's an ancient ruins spot in the Black Shroud towards the north up past Treespeak called the Gelmorra Ruins. I posted some pictures up some time ago but it was pretty much this broken down stone circle with a large pit in the center. Several tiny amber stones similar to Amberscale rock surround the area too. Now regarding Sil'dih I have a good idea it's probably somewhere located beneath the area now known as Halatali. Several leves in that area deal with the undead, and there's even a locked gate within Little Ala Mihgo at the farthest reaches. Under it might once have even been the pathway to the city that was barricaded/buried. However since the maps are being redone it likely doesn't exist yet.

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Originally Posted by Picoman

and underwater would be cool.

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2 words...

Water Temple. >:3

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

2 words...

Water Temple. >:3

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Two other words...

EFF THAT! D:<

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

Two other words...

EFF THAT! D:<

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Aww come on~~~ Everyone LOVES water temples. ;3

For serious though, if they ever made something similar to Zelda where we had to swim through certain levels to get to new places/monsters/treasures... I could die happy.

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Originally Posted by Holy_Dragoon

I now wonder if anyone in Limsa speaks of a city buried under Limsa Lominsa.

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Given that Limsa is the remains of the largest ship ever that crashed into the shore, Probably not, unless you count perchance part of the ship underwater or something like that. Though I do wonder what they;er going to do about our big sea monster friend in the Limsa opening Cinematic,,

Yeah I keep hoping that he reappears in 2.0

I did wonder who the sildihns were when i read about it in the localization section on fawks lalafell names stuff. Now i know =D

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Originally Posted by Holy_Dragoon

It's interesting you bring up Sil'dih. I ran across an NPC in the conjurer's guild that spoke of a city beneath Gridania too. It was not Sil'dih that was referred to, but it seems they share a common trait.

Both appear to be ruins beneath these current cities.
Maybe there is something more to these?
I now wonder if anyone in Limsa speaks of a city buried under Limsa Lominsa.

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The only thing I can think of is that, if I recall correctly, the Mizzenmast Inn (along with much of Limsa) is the remains of an incredibly large ship that landed there. I don't remember what became of the ship or why it eventually became part of the city though.

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Originally Posted by Ralliare

Given that Limsa is the remains of the largest ship ever that crashed into the shore, Probably not, unless you count perchance part of the ship underwater or something like that. Though I do wonder what they;er going to do about our big sea monster friend in the Limsa opening Cinematic,,

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Leviathan is being remodeled for 2.0
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Originally Posted by Arcell

The only thing I can think of is that, if I recall correctly, the Mizzenmast Inn (along with much of Limsa) is the remains of an incredibly large ship that landed there. I don't remember what became of the ship or why it eventually became part of the city though.

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The ship didn't become part of the city, the ship is the city.

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Legend holds that Limsa Lominsa was founded shortly after the remnants of a giant armada fled from its homeland following a crushing defeat. Llymlaen is said to have taken pity on the plight of these brave sailors, and guided them to the shallows of a rocky bay where their ships were grounded upon the sharp rocks. With no home to return to, the sailors chose to settle in this newly-found land, and use the remnants of their vessels to begin construction of a city.

However, the sailors never forget their nautical backgrounds, and once a new fleet was in order, they would take to the waters again. It was only a matter of time before their influence spread and they ruled the five seas of Eorzea. Thus, the Limsan thalassocracy was born.

Remnants of this legend live on even today in the nation's ruling party, whose members still address their leader as Admiral.

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http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Limsa_Lominsa

It's been mentioned a few times, you actually got to visit a part of the Sil'dih aqueducts in one of the Umbral Era events a while back.

The Monk quests has some information on the lore of Sil'dih also.

I am hoping in 2.0 or later with an expansion they unearth it as a dungeon, the story is that the King of Sil'dah turned his subjects into zombies and undead to win the war against Ul'dah which subsequently failed, so it could certainly make for an interesting dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Colino

I think that was sort of their original plan with the whole "echo" thing, but I'm not sure if they're sticking with that or not.

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Yoshi confirmed a while back that Echo will be making a come back in 2.0 as will the companions.