Change DPS forever, this cannot continue.

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10-12-2023, 12:26 PM
Alexandre_Noireau

Change DPS forever, this cannot continue.

DPS is Damage Per Second.
Thats not a role, thats an action/verb.

All other classes are named by their role not what they do in it.

Please change DPS to DD.

DD - Damage Dealer.
10-12-2023, 12:34 PM
Anonemoose

At this point all skills, actions and spells should be deleted from the game and replaced with a single "do damage" button.
10-12-2023, 12:34 PM
Boblawblah

https://media.tenor.com/qL3gUw9rVjUA...l-allow-it.gif

DD, has a certain je ne sais quoi no?
10-12-2023, 12:37 PM
SilverObi

holy hell which decade is it?!
10-12-2023, 12:40 PM
RitsukoSonoda

Could always change the role to Freeloader since every job actually does damage but only tank and healer really has any actual party responsibility... :P
10-12-2023, 12:42 PM
Mikey_R

Tank can also be classed as a verb, so really, the outlier is healer, being the only one that isn't a verb, so we should change that to 'heal'.
10-12-2023, 12:43 PM
Supersnow845

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Could always change the role to Freeloader since every job actually does damage but only tank and healer really has any actual party responsibility... :P

Excuse me that’s extremely reductive, the DD’s also have a responsibility to help mitigate

(They never do but eh)

/s
10-12-2023, 12:48 PM
Valkyrie_Lenneth

Yeah, I tried this 10 years ago, it didn't work. We're stuck with it.
10-12-2023, 01:43 PM
WeebPolice

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

holy hell which decade is it?!

https://media.tenor.com/B19RUBYLzswA...it-cardiac.gif

Also the thread author just wants to say double D's.

The winds guide you.
10-12-2023, 03:49 PM
Asdif_Laoeg

Come to germany and learn german. We call dem DD and not DPS.
10-12-2023, 03:59 PM
weebtext

they do a lot of damage per second
10-12-2023, 06:10 PM
Amarande

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Originally Posted by Anonemoose

At this point all skills, actions and spells should be deleted from the game and replaced with a single "do damage" button.

I'm sure this is meant to be flippant, and yet there's a point to it.

Most buttons in most DPS rotations are not special. They simply do some or other amount of plain, featureless damage. Their existence provides difficulty, but not depth. And yet, players complain if you take some of them out, and many even clamor for more such redundancy!

I guess it's something you have to be a specific kind of player to wrap around the mindset behind?

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Could always change the role to Freeloader since every job actually does damage but only tank and healer really has any actual party responsibility... :P

Ironically, XIV is perhaps the one MMO where this holds the least water by a country mile.

The principle appears sound in casual content, but in anything serious, you quickly discover - especially if you're doing content on patch - that the make or break is whether or not your damage dealers are able to deliver enough of the goods to be able to meet Ye Olde Enrage Timer.

In fact, absent a bodycheck mechanic, when you're at or near min IL, a DPS death is far and away more likely to actually be a showstopper than a healer or even an OT death (maybe even an MT death, with aggro being so easy these days). I'm pretty much certain at this point that if you're forming a XIV static and you have a player that you're worried about skill-wise, but who you really want to have in the group for social reasons, the best place to stick them is almost always off-healer, somewhere you'd never dream of putting them in any other MMO.

There's also a reason why SE started moving to big Damage Downs as an increasingly common stick to make players actually do mechanics (even vulns often weren't enough incentive to stay out of fire ... in fact, that's another irritating culture shift right there too. Us MMO old schoolers were taught to respect mechanics and stay out of the fire ... nowadays, the mindset is literally to disrespect mechanics as much as possible in order to push more, you guessed it, DPS. It explains a big part of the disenchantment Healer players experience lately too: at this point, players simply won't respect a mechanic at all unless the punishment is something that the raid healers can't cover for, otherwise SOP is in fact to stand there, take it, and expect restoration rather than slow down the pewpew to avoid it ...).

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Yeah, I tried this 10 years ago, it didn't work. We're stuck with it.

Yeah, that's a mood. :(
10-12-2023, 06:29 PM
Jojoya

Players are the ones who prefer to say DPS instead of Damage Dealer or DD. Game developers have adopted what players are familiar with.

Good luck with your crusade to convince hundreds of millions of players world wide to use DD.

Also "DPS" would technically be a noun as it is referring to a calculated value. Colloquially it has been adopted both as a noun (a role performed) and a verb (the action the role performs to generate the numbers used to calculate the value). Welcome to the evolution of language.
10-12-2023, 07:06 PM
Eloah

I say, just change the acronym if it bothering you. Damage Performance Subordinate, there problem solved, lol.
10-12-2023, 08:04 PM
ForsakenRoe

This reminds me of the timeless argument of whether it's DM for Deadmines or VC for VanCleef because DireMaul also would be DM. Which also never really made sense, because why would someone in Westfall chat be asking for people for Dire Maul?

DD, DPS, same thing, we all know what both mean so why is it an issue either way
10-12-2023, 08:12 PM
Darkobra

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

holy hell which decade is it?!

If I told you Skyrim was coming out, would it narrow it down for you?
10-12-2023, 08:31 PM
Saraide

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

DPS is Damage Per Second.
Thats not a role, thats an action/verb.

All other classes are named by their role not what they do in it.

Please change DPS to DD.

DD - Damage Dealer.

Actually this can continue very easily.
10-12-2023, 09:37 PM
Alexandre_Noireau

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Actually this can continue very easily.

Then this game is doomed to economical failure and the brand of Final Fantasy is damaged forever.

Dead game.
10-12-2023, 09:46 PM
Cabalabob

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

Tank can also be classed as a verb, so really, the outlier is healer, being the only one that isn't a verb, so we should change that to 'heal'.

“I am a tank”
“I am a healer”
“I am a damage per second”

One of these things is not like the others.
10-12-2023, 10:28 PM
Saraide

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

“I am a tank”
“I am a healer”
“I am a damage per second”

One of these things is not like the others.

Yea they are different in so far that no one says the last line like that.
10-12-2023, 10:58 PM
Tahbitha

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

DPS is Damage Per Second.
Thats not a role, thats an action/verb.

All other classes are named by their role not what they do in it.

Please change DPS to DD.

DD - Damage Dealer.

Hey Alexandre, whaaaat's happening?

Yeah, you left the cover off your DPS report. Did you get the memo on that?

So if you could just be sure and include the cover from now on, that would be great.

And I'll make sure you get another copy of that memo.

Also we need you to come in to work this weekend. Thanks!
10-13-2023, 12:09 AM
Mikey_R

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

“I am a tank”
“I am a healer”
“I am a damage per second”

One of these things is not like the others.

1. My comment was meant to be a non serious snarky remark (sorry, British, it's just natural).

2. No one says Damage per Second to refer to a role whose sole purpose is to do damage to the boss. The term is DPS and the sentence; "I am a DPS" makes perfect sense. Just because it is an acronym in certain cases, does not mean it is always classed as an acronym, of which you can determine what is inferred based on the context of the statement made. Welcome to English.
10-13-2023, 01:33 AM
Alexandre_Noireau

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Originally Posted by Tahbitha

Also we need you to come in to work this weekend. Thanks!

No.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Yea they are different in so far that no one says the last line like that.

When you say DPS you describe an action, not a role.

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

No one says Damage per Second to refer to a role whose sole purpose is to do damage to the boss. Welcome to BAD English.

These kind of excuses are terrible.

The name of the role is Damage Dealer. The acronym to use in all interface should be DD .
10-13-2023, 01:44 AM
Mikey_R

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

The name of the role is Damage Dealer. The acronym to use in all interface should be DD .

"Looks at game".

Nope, they definitely call them DPS here. even gets split into categories, Melee DPS, Physical Ranged DPS and Magical Ranged DPS.

Also, as I eluded to, tank is also an action as well as the role, so why can DPS not also refer to the role?
10-13-2023, 01:47 AM
Darkobra

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

“I am a tank”
“I am a healer”
“I am a damage per second”

One of these things is not like the others.

One of them is a vehicle?
10-13-2023, 01:54 AM
Alexandre_Noireau

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

One of them is a vehicle?

In fact opposite to the popular opinion, tanks are quite vulnerable.

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

so why can DPS not also refer to the role?

Because it is not a role.
And what people calls whatever here doesn't matter at all - A million, a billion, a trillion people can be wrong, like in the case of this game, and truth still will stand above them all: I am only it's messenger.
10-13-2023, 02:02 AM
Mikey_R

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

Because it is not a role.

Says who?

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In fact opposite to the popular opinion, tanks are quite vulnerable.

Lets rename tanks then to better reflect the role they are trying to represent.
10-13-2023, 02:44 AM
ReynTime

Are you gonna ask people start calling their characters TOONS too?

I feel so gross just typing that word.
10-13-2023, 04:04 AM
Alexandre_Noireau

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

Says who?

Reason, logic and proper use of language.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Are you gonna ask people start calling their characters TOONS too?

There is no reason to.
But on the contrary of DPS, calling a character toon isn't wrong.

As is wrong to call a role DPS instead of Damage Dealer.
10-13-2023, 04:35 AM
Thurmnmurmn

Language is an ever changing thing. Some words get picked up in different meanings all the time.
Just because it's an abbreviation doesn't mean it can't be used in another way (nor is it the only abbreviation for DPS).
Plus at this point, you're not fighting only against FFXIV users on this, you're fighting almost all of gaming. All MMOs call them DPS and a whole lot of RPGs do too.
10-13-2023, 04:36 AM
TaleraRistain

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Are you gonna ask people start calling their characters TOONS too?

I feel so gross just typing that word.

I fear that moniker has been hijacked since it was first introduced in...UO I think? Back in EverQuest it just meant your character. We also used Damage Dealer, too, since that was ye olden times before parsers were really a thing and the damage of the party was not as important since the tank, healer, and crowd control were much more important. We actually used to make fun of people if they just zerged something like when a bunch of guilds got together and tried zerging The Sleeper by dying and respawning over and over and over. It is funny how things like that evolve.
10-13-2023, 04:50 AM
DragonFlyy

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

DPS is Damage Per Second.
Thats not a role, thats an action/verb.

All other classes are named by their role not what they do in it.

Please change DPS to DD.

DD - Damage Dealer.

The purpose of a language is to get other people to understand you. DPS has been the term since Everquest days. We all know what DPS means. DPS is both a noun and a verb. Language evolves.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I fear that moniker has been hijacked since it was first introduced in...UO I think? Back in EverQuest it just meant your character. We also used Damage Dealer, too, since that was ye olden times before parsers were really a thing and the damage of the party was not as important since the tank, healer, and crowd control were much more important. We actually used to make fun of people if they just zerged something like when a bunch of guilds got together and tried zerging The Sleeper by dying and respawning over and over and over. It is funny how things like that evolve.

Started EQ in 1999 when it released and on my server we used DPS not DD.
10-13-2023, 05:03 AM
Alexandre_Noireau

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Originally Posted by DragonFlyy

Language evolves.

And some of those mutations are horrible, disgusting, ilogical, unethical and deserve nothing but to be exterminated, relegated to the millions of dead words. DPS is one such a thing.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

Plus at this point, you're not fighting only against FFXIV users on this, you're fighting almost all of gaming.

Reason and truth are not popularity contest.
Imagine that, gamers and the gaming industry being wrong, what a surprise.
10-13-2023, 05:09 AM
Saraide

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

When you say DPS you describe an action, not a role.

Evidently this is just your opinion. Good luck on your crusade tho.
10-13-2023, 05:15 AM
Thurmnmurmn

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

And some of those mutations are horrible, disgusting, ilogical, unethical and deserve nothing but to be exterminated, relegated to the millions of dead words. DPS is one such a thing.

Reason and truth are not popularity contest.
Imagine that, gamers and the gaming industry being wrong, what a surprise.

That's your opinion. I disagree.

I always find it using when people are all like "everyone is wrong! I am right! Listen to meeeee!"
10-13-2023, 05:16 AM
Thurmnmurmn

Amusing***
10-13-2023, 08:34 AM
Alexandre_Noireau

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Evidently this is just your opinion.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

That's your opinion.

Is a fact.I don't give opinions because opinions are non-valuable ideas.
No such role as DPS, no one says (and if does is completely incorrect): "I am a damage per second".

What, are you a floating number on a screen? Are you the digits on a combat log? Because THAT's the Damage Per Second.
And the one who does it is, in fact, all roles. And a role specializes on it: the Damage Dealer.

Or when tanks do it you call it? Tanks Per Second?
10-13-2023, 08:38 AM
Saraide

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

Is a fact. I don't give opinions because opinions are non-valuable ideas.
No such role as DPS, no one says (and if does is completely incorrect): "I am a damage per second".

What, are you a floating number on a screen? Are you the digits on a combat log? Because THAT's the Damage Per Second.
And the one who does it is, in fact, all roles. And a role specializes on it: the Damage Dealer.

Or when tanks do it you call it? Tanks Per Second?

Correct, no one says "I play damage per second". People say "I play DPS". Hope that helps.
10-13-2023, 08:46 AM
Alexandre_Noireau

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Correct, no one says "I play damage per second". People say "I play DPS". Hope that helps.

You understand that is saying the same exact thing? And in both cases is WRONG.

"I play as a number on your combat log."
10-13-2023, 08:59 AM
Saraide

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

You understand that is saying the same exact thing? And in both cases is WRONG.

"I play as a number on your combat log."

I think the funniest part about this whole thread is that your point isnt even true. The numbers that float on your screen and show up in the combat log are not dps numbers.

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