New island grind

So what\\'s everyone\\'s thoughts on the new island sanctuary voucher system?

I personally like the idea but similar as with fate vouchers, I wish they would let you start grinding it while lvling instead of waiting until you\\'re done. Kinda like how they did it with ishguard restoration.

I also feel like this is totally put in place as a reason for people to stay subbed. I mean it takes 29 weeks to get enough vouchers for the mount. Seems to line up pretty well with when we assume dawntrail will come out.

Unless you feel spicy and wanna try via lootboxes instead that is.

the island as an excuse for people to stay subbed is pretty weak.

I know quite a few people, myself included, who arent really into their sweatshop islands and who stay subbed for completely different reasons

they likely just set up the timeframe so it lines up like that since they know people would be doing the new expansion, so planned, yes, to keep people subbed... I would not pin my hat on that theory

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

the island as an excuse for people to stay subbed is pretty weak.

I know quite a few people, myself included, who arent really into their sweatshop islands and who stay subbed for completely different reasons

they likely just set up the timeframe so it lines up like that since they know people would be doing the new expansion, so planned, yes, to keep people subbed... I would not pin my hat on that theory

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This system is actually the least sweatshop possible. Once you're max ranked you literally just have to copy whatever is in demand for that week and you're done.

This thread wasn't made to talk about the games shortcomings (unless you wanna talk bad on island sanctuary).
I only said that theory on the time as a simple observation.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

This system is actually the least sweatshop possible. Once you're max ranked you literally just have to copy whatever is in demand for that week and you're done.

This thread wasn't made to talk about the games shortcomings (unless you wanna talk bad on island sanctuary).
I only said that theory on the time as a simple observation.

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I was speaking more of the poor mammets lol

I'm more worried that if you don't get the rewards now, you will probably begin to miss out in Dawntrail as people start losing interest in staying up to date on the spreadsheets.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

I was speaking more of the poor mammets lol

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I thought of that a little later. Thought up this one.
Now it's less of a sweatshop and more of a contractor ish. Since instead of going for most profit, you just make whatever they ask you to make (this is only for the vouchers)

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

I'm more worried that if you don't get the rewards now, you will probably begin to miss out in Dawntrail as people start losing interest in staying up to date on the spreadsheets.

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That's fair.
Although I can reassure you that people have made templates that stay the same week to week. It not the most efficient but that's all the spreadsheet is used for essentially. Just being optimal.
You'll still be able to do it at any time in the future. It will just take a tad longer.

Stay sub because of that? I doubt anyone would stay sub for that lol. Oh btw you can get your vouchers on the MB

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

I'm more worried that if you don't get the rewards now, you will probably begin to miss out in Dawntrail as people start losing interest in staying up to date on the spreadsheets.

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No spreadsheets are needed. Just craft whatever you need to craft for the vouchers. After that, what you craft is only for cowries. You can go for max and follow recommendations for maximum cowries (useless at some point), make your own calculations or craft/not craft whatever you want.

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

I'm more worried that if you don't get the rewards now, you will probably begin to miss out in Dawntrail as people start losing interest in staying up to date on the spreadsheets.

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Lol, you say that as if you need to minmax the island. I got to R20 and got every Seafarer's Cowrie rewards, by just placing random stuff into the factories. I don't even know how the spreadsheets look like.

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

I'm more worried that if you don't get the rewards now, you will probably begin to miss out in Dawntrail as people start losing interest in staying up to date on the spreadsheets.

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Wait, what? Now I need to play on my own and not look at a spreadsheet to copy-paste from? lol

What even is the voucher mount?

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Originally Posted by Gullis

Lol, you say that as if you need to minmax the island. I got to R20 and got every Seafarer's Cowrie rewards, by just placing random stuff into the factories. I don't even know how the spreadsheets look like.

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lol I am the same I am almost rank 20 now and I have never used the spreadsheet and I enjoy working it out and I have everything from there now. I am unsure on the new mount as it is just a recolour so maybe I will go down the route of the lockboxes.

Just got my isle to R20 today. Considering it requires 29 weeks (7 1/4 months!) to acquire the mount assuming the voucher Vegetal Voucher aren't MB-able, it looked like a weak attempt to keep people subbed until Yawntrail lol.

In concept I liked it. But when they timegate it to 10 minutes of setting up per week, that doesn't add much on top of the daily 10m checkups.

You can buy the vouchers. If you don't have the money, learning aspects of the game where you can make money is also content you've clearly skipped. You can do it in parts, only grinding it when you're subbed. 1 month now, one month before DT, one month after launch and you're almost half way. You can grind other long grinds at the same time, so you're not subbed for the island alone and maybe you'll even consume new content slower.

You can get the Island Adenium mount with the lootboxes too, so unless you really want to work towards the Adenium for 7 months there's not much reason to buy the vegetal vouchers over the lootboxes, considering you can also get the Peerifool mount and other exclusive things from that too. Though, you can sell them on the MB, so its probably a good way to make a few million gil per week at the moment as they seem to be selling for 400-500k per voucher on the MB atm. It will definitely tank in a few weeks/months as more people reach rank 20.

I'm in no hurry to finish IS, it's not going anywhere. No need to finish it by DT.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

So what\\'s everyone\\'s thoughts on the new island sanctuary voucher system?

I personally like the idea but similar as with fate vouchers, I wish they would let you start grinding it while lvling instead of waiting until you\\'re done. Kinda like how they did it with ishguard restoration.

I also feel like this is totally put in place as a reason for people to stay subbed. I mean it takes 29 weeks to get enough vouchers for the mount. Seems to line up pretty well with when we assume dawntrail will come out.

Unless you feel spicy and wanna try via lootboxes instead that is.

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Oh, no! A MMORPG has included rewards gated by long term grinds. How terrible.

looks at the complaints we've had because the relic weapons didn't feel like grinds this expansion

I doubt this mount is exciting enough to anyone to make them feel like they're "forced" to stay subbed to get it. It's more like an extra available for those who are staying subbed for other reasons. Those who don't want to stay subbed but want the mount can always buy it off the marketboard as others have said.

Meh I only go on my island once a week lol. No real need to grind it. Not why I got my sub tho. Now if the island had instanced housing then you could use the "stay subbed" argument.

It doesn't so I out it ok the same level as Doma really. Just with animals, gathering and gardening added in.

The island levels itself. There is no need to grind. Before the patch I just scheduled the workshops for 2 weeks with cheap mats and collected the xp on patch day. That got me to lvl 17. There’s a discord channel that makes a spreadsheet to maximize cowries but that currency is basically useless now and the xp gain is a fixed amount per hour regardless of what you craft.

Then all I did was gather about 50 of each new mat and used the granaries to passively get more of the new mats which was more than enough to get all upgrades. The rest of the XP I got from the workshops again and I reached lvl 20 doing very little.

Got my lvl 20 mount, garden is set with new veggies, all I need to do now is spend 5 minutes a week to go there once a week to craft the 3 items needed for the boxes/vouchers if I feel like doing it. I wish there was a house with an interior to decorate as well as the possibility to have some useful features such as retainers as I quite like the place and the decorated exterior .

I'll probably buy and use one coffer a week, then when I hit 2000 I'll get the lsd rave mandy. It'll take an extra month that way, but maybe I'll luck out and get it early. Plus I'll need to burn some coffers anyway for the perifool.

The problem with Island Sanctuary is that it is neither inspiring, nor absolutely hated, so it is kind of forgettable. I completely forgot about the Island Sanctuary and someone had to remind me there was a deep dungeon. x x

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Originally Posted by Colt47

The problem with Island Sanctuary is that it is neither inspiring, nor absolutely hated, so it is kind of forgettable.

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I'm pretty close to absolute hate for it, but engagement statistics aren't going to show that, because they keep putting things I want behind it so I have to do it on multiple characters.

Mount sucks and I've been selling the vouchers for gil, but they've been crashing pretty hard.

There's a new Island system?


That's my thought on it.

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Originally Posted by Kyrj

There's a new Island system?


That's my thought on it.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

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I'll stop being "edgy" when they provide something of actual worth.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Oh, no! A MMORPG has included rewards gated by long term grinds. How terrible.

looks at the complaints we've had because the relic weapons didn't feel like grinds this expansion

I doubt this mount is exciting enough to anyone to make them feel like they're "forced" to stay subbed to get it. It's more like an extra available for those who are staying subbed for other reasons. Those who don't want to stay subbed but want the mount can always buy it off the marketboard as others have said.

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If it's purchasable on the MB, how is it locked behind a grind? It's not technically locked if not everyone is forced to do it to gain the item.
Relic weapons would be locked imo cause you can't just wander up to the MB and buy your completed relic.
The mount only requires one person to do it for others to get it.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

If it's purchasable on the MB, how is it locked behind a grind? It's not technically locked if not everyone is forced to do it to gain the item.
Relic weapons would be locked imo cause you can't just wander up to the MB and buy your completed relic.
The mount only requires one person to do it for others to get it.

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Getting millions of gil is another form of grind. There's little "difficulty" involved but there is a time investment and grinds are about the time investment.

Using this as a way to try and shoehorn the argument of "Is it looking for another way to force people to stay subbed" isn't really a very strong thing to do.

You can literally buy it if you want, you can make the required Gil for this pretty quickly, and I think the price will also drop more once people have reached Rank 19 and got all of their workshops renovated., not to mention it is a completely optional reward and piece of content to engage in. If you want it, and don't want to engage in the system itself, then go grind and make the Gil for it, you can comfortably do this within 1-2 subscription windows. - Game. Literally. Throws. Gil. At. You.

On one hand, I’m glad it’s MB-able. On the other than, I’m disappointed it’s just another 10m of setting up weekly on top of the already unexciting 10m setup daily.

Based on the comments here, lootboxes seems more appealing than the hard vouchers. Where else does your mountain of gil can be spent on anyway..? Lol

I don't like that the voucher system seems like yet another attempt at making the island more annoying.

And by that I mean trying to divert players off of following the optimal recommendations from the people doing the math on all the boring stock market stuff.

If they wanted me to engage with that system and not just blindly put in what other people tell me to, they shouldn't have made it as obtuse and unfun as it is. All they did this time was make it less rewarding because now instead of listening to people on a discord I'm just blindly putting the required items on sub-optimal days, until there's a solver for it or something. It doesn't really matter for me at this point because I've earned over a million cowries and they probably won't add anything else to spend cowries on, but for people who haven't been maxing out their cowries the new vouchers are only going to get in the way of earning them.

So, at best the new system doesn't matter at all, and at worst it makes earning cowries worse. There's not really an upside, unless you really want to be unique and flaunt the one reward from it and ride what I assume is another mandy mount that most people won't have any time soon.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

the island as an excuse for people to stay subbed is pretty weak.

I know quite a few people, myself included, who arent really into their sweatshop islands and who stay subbed for completely different reasons

they likely just set up the timeframe so it lines up like that since they know people would be doing the new expansion, so planned, yes, to keep people subbed... I would not pin my hat on that theory

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They've essentially become FFXIV's version of WoW's Garrison system. Log in, do a thing for 10m or so, leave and forget it.