Thank you for fixing Endwalker's capstone trial

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10-04-2023, 02:27 AM
Morphiana

Thank you for fixing Endwalker's capstone trial

Just got out of the trial after the max ilvl was dropped with today's patch and it went wonderfully! The newbies got to experience the whole fight, all the dialogue, and I got to see mechanics I haven't seen since the first couple months of Endwalker!

Please feel free to give more trials / raids this treatment!
10-04-2023, 04:19 AM
ronibosch

I heard Thordan is another one that suffers from this issue. Can't think of any other trial at the moment.
10-04-2023, 04:55 AM
Elkanah

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Originally Posted by ronibosch

I heard Thordan is another one that suffers from this issue. Can't think of any other trial at the moment.

Ive noticed "The Dying Gasp" has this same problem. Even during phase 2 (the hp bar doesnt reset). So by the time it pops up, the boss is already at 2%. Cant tell if it's a glitch or not
10-04-2023, 05:34 AM
Astrahime

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Originally Posted by ronibosch

I heard Thordan is another one that suffers from this issue. Can't think of any other trial at the moment.

Thordan suffers from having an absurdly low hp transition threshold more than it suffers from IL sync.
It's 10%. And like almost all bosses, this happens after he's finished casting what he's currently doing. Without an invulnerability that starts when he hits 10%, meaning you'll have a 1hp moment most of the time.
10-04-2023, 05:56 AM
FatalFatalis

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Originally Posted by ronibosch

I heard Thordan is another one that suffers from this issue. Can't think of any other trial at the moment.

Thordan needs a whole rework, that whole fight is a massive joke even in min ilvl, it takes effort to die there.
10-04-2023, 06:01 AM
Fyrebrand

Very good that they fixed this, but I agree there are still more trials that need this kind of attention. Thordan especially, that fight is pathetic.
10-04-2023, 06:01 AM
Elissar

yaaay, nice
off topic but i am...satisfied with 6.5 overall
it's a good enough conclusion.
10-04-2023, 06:17 AM
TheMightyMollusk

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Originally Posted by FatalFatalis

Thordan needs a whole rework, that whole fight is a massive joke even in min ilvl, it takes effort to die there.

I have literally tried to die on Thordan just to see if it could be done and haven't managed it.
10-04-2023, 08:39 PM
Morphiana

Poor Thordan normal needs the King Mog re-work.
10-04-2023, 10:54 PM
Aldath

Yesterday I did Byakko for the first time and... What a fight. I seriously hope SE fixes the rest of the trials, capstone or not, since the current ilvl sync requirements make most of them a completely anti climatic joke. Byakko died relatively quick but my God that was epic, and I bet it would be even better with proper sync.

This might be unpopular but some dungeons should have it too, they have very interesting boss ideas with no time to shine at all.
10-04-2023, 11:06 PM
VictorSpoils

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Originally Posted by ronibosch

I heard Thordan is another one that suffers from this issue. Can't think of any other trial at the moment.

The other two capstones (Shinryu/Hades), and then arguably every ARR and HW trial is undertuned. Naturally, they age worse the older they get. The ARR ones are joke fights that end in two minutes. Compare this to Titania which can still take 10.

Thordan just happens to have both issues. Everything in there needs a flat 100% HP and damage increase in addition to a lower ilvl sync.
10-04-2023, 11:12 PM
Morphiana

Hades especially feels bad that he's so easy. The cutscene just before the fight builds him up to be a beast but with the current max ilvl requirement you mow him down mercilessly so.

But at minimum this would be nice:

Thordan gets the King Mog re-work treatment for normal mode and ilvl reduced.

Shinryu / Hades get an ilvl reduction.
10-05-2023, 02:29 AM
Absimiliard

Hades was a joke even when he was new, I'm afraid. Nothing about the normal version of that fight was ever challenging, and he was getting mowed down from go. Shinryu on the other hand at least used to pose something resembling a risk, albeit only for those with poor situational awareness.
10-05-2023, 04:22 AM
Amh_Wilzuun

Yeah props for the response on this one
10-05-2023, 05:32 AM
TheMightyMollusk

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Originally Posted by VictorSpoils

The other two capstones (Shinryu/Hades), and then arguably every ARR and HW trial is undertuned. Naturally, they age worse the older they get. The ARR ones are joke fights that end in two minutes. Compare this to Titania which can still take 10.

Thordan just happens to have both issues. Everything in there needs a flat 100% HP and damage increase in addition to a lower ilvl sync.

It's less that the old trials are undertuned and more that they're victims of massive amounts of power creep. The farther back you go, the worse it gets. Compare Titan (Hard) to Ravana to Susano to Titania.
10-20-2023, 10:42 PM
Morphiana

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

It's less that the old trials are undertuned and more that they're victims of massive amounts of power creep. The farther back you go, the worse it gets. Compare Titan (Hard) to Ravana to Susano to Titania.

I would agree entirely with this and as a result older content is no longer sync'd to the level it used to be. It needs a re-balancing.