Ultimates not included in the free trial. Bravo.

Make the only challenging content at Lv70 be locked behind a paid subscription. Surely that will convince new players that the game isn't simply a snoozefest through and through.

Well the only challenging content for you seems to be restraining yourself from making drama bait threads...just stop at this point. To even bite on this...who cares they are free trial players they get access to plenty of content including Eureka...Ultimates is no big loss, you can still do extremes and savage as well...move on next topic.

Maybe it's to prevent RMT sellers being able to sell it at no cost to themselves.

It doesn't matter with savage because you can unsync that with a level 90 player, but obviously ultimates don't let you do that so they are a bit different.

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Maybe it's to prevent RMT sellers being able to sell it at no cost to themselves.

It doesn't matter with savage because you can unsync that with a level 90 player, but obviously ultimates don't let you do that so they are a bit different.

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Wouldn't that actually be a lot of work though? Cause it wouldn't just be as simple as gearing up, you'd also need materia melds and food buffs on the FT characters, meaning they'd have to do all of that themselves. Or maybe sellers are just that good and they don't need all of that.

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Wouldn't that actually be a lot of work though? Cause it wouldn't just be as simple as gearing up, you'd also need materia melds and food buffs on the FT characters, meaning they'd have to do all of that themselves. Or maybe sellers are just that good and they don't need all of that.

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Most of them have a gigantic surplus already. They just move materia and whatnot between characters/accounts as needed to expedite the entire process.

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Make the only challenging content at Lv70 be locked behind a paid subscription. Surely that will convince new players that the game isn't simply a snoozefest through and through.

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Yawn.. 2/10 here fishy

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Most of them have a gigantic surplus already. They just move materia and whatnot between characters/accounts as needed to expedite the entire process.

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Yes, but free trial players can't trade. You'd have to do everything from scratch.

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Wouldn't that actually be a lot of work though? Cause it wouldn't just be as simple as gearing up, you'd also need materia melds and food buffs on the FT characters, meaning they'd have to do all of that themselves. Or maybe sellers are just that good and they don't need all of that.

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Yes, they would have to get it themselves and up until now, they haven't need it to be on the FT, but that doesn't mean SE wants to make it free for them to do it suddenly.

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Yes, but free trial players can't trade. You'd have to do everything from scratch.

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Apparently there are ways around some those limitations if you're willing to do some incredibly shady crap. Which, if someone is already practicing RMT, odds are they're just fine doing that too.

That aside, botting is a very strong way to get what you need fast. It wouldn't take them long to amass all the materials they need, with or without somehow bypassing part of the free trial's limitations.

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Yes, they would have to get it themselves and up until now, they haven't need it to be on the FT, but that doesn't mean SE wants to make it free for them to do it suddenly.

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I guess better safe than sorry. I was more worried about Eureka than the ultis. Hopefully that's restricted too.

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I guess better safe than sorry. I was more worried about Eureka than the ultis. Hopefully that's restricted too.

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That's a good point. I think they don't care about Eureka enough or they would have tackled the complaints people were making here some time ago.

Figured OP would be in favor of trial players not being able to freely prog their way through content that paid players spend months completing.

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That's a good point. I think they don't care about Eureka enough or they would have tackled the complaints people were making here some time ago.

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I dont think the notes specified Eureka being blocked off but maybe we'll see more in the full patch notes?


I didnt even think about the potential botting with free trial accounts in certain content. It makes sense why Ultimates are blocked off anyway

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Figured OP would be in favor of trial players not being able to freely prog their way through content that paid players spend months completing.

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Free trial players being locked out of Ultimates means they can't spend money on RMT to get carried.

I don't see an issue with with free trial players in Eureka not like they can horde gil with that 300k cap and they cant even use shout chat so they will struggle to get to NM or partys

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Figured OP would be in favor of trial players not being able to freely prog their way through content that paid players spend months completing.

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he would be if they were allowed

Waaah waaaah waaaah

Yet another thing to complain about for you

Just quit already

I can't say I understand the point of excluding them, but I cant say I really care.

Who do you think keep the game alive and cover it costs.. is it the free trial players?

In this world: money is everything ..
If it dosnt improve sales or drag in money => it will not exist..
(Free trial is basically a demo)

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Wouldn't that actually be a lot of work though? Cause it wouldn't just be as simple as gearing up, you'd also need materia melds and food buffs on the FT characters, meaning they'd have to do all of that themselves. Or maybe sellers are just that good and they don't need all of that.

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It takes roughly two days from what I know with a bot to get from level 1 to level 70. Which if anyone is doing any sort of under the table RMT, they are most definitely botting their way though. And since it's a free trial there is far less risk of being banned over a bot. It's a throw away already. Sale teams would use those characters to sell carries, and RMTs will probably sell accounts with all the ultimate weapons on one account at a marked up price.

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Make the only challenging content at Lv70 be locked behind a paid subscription. Surely that will convince new players that the game isn't simply a snoozefest through and through.

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Why would they give everything away for free? What are you?

Really grasping at straws now, aren't we?

I don't know what's funnier. That OP's not even making a bad point but people are so conditioned to hate him that they're defending withholding SB content from trial players in SB, or that OP's bait threads continue to rack up replies from people who claim to be immune to his bait.

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Well the only challenging content for you seems to be restraining yourself from making drama bait threads...

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The irony of this being the first post is actually incredible when you consider how long the thread's continued off of other people's replies alone. Nobody here can exercise restraint. OP can't stop making these threads, and people who hate him can't help but respond. It's a circle fueled by people on both sides with 0 self control.

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Really grasping at straws now, aren't we?

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"now"? Replace that with always, and you have OPs entire hundred or so account identity.

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I don't know what's funnier. That OP's not even making a bad point but people are so conditioned to hate him that they're defending withholding SB content from trial players in SB, or that OP's bait threads continue to rack up replies from people who claim to be immune to his bait.

The irony of this being the first post is actually incredible when you consider how long the thread's continued off of other people's replies alone. Nobody here can exercise restraint. OP can't stop making these threads, and people who hate him can't help but respond. It's a circle fueled by people on both sides with 0 self control.

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Unfortunately forum moderation is so light that these topics don’t get closed down or the alt banned for so far down the line people have to interact to make it known which is one thing. I really don’t understand how they don’t notice the blatant alt like spam drama thread creation of it all, oh well maybe one day.

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Unfortunately forum moderation is so light that these topics don’t get closed down or the alt banned for so far down the line people have to interact to make it known which is one thing. I really don’t understand how they don’t notice the blatant alt like spam drama thread creation of it all, oh well maybe one day.

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Because they adopted DILLIGAF for the forums, that's why they don't notice. They poke their head in every month or so(unless it gets to per personal attacks, blatant threats, or swearing it seems) and "clean" the place only to leave 80% of the misinformation threads from trolls around.

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Make the only challenging content at Lv70 be locked behind a paid subscription. Surely that will convince new players that the game isn't simply a snoozefest through and through.

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Dude, if you're going to play seriously, get a subscription and don't be a leech!

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Maybe it's to prevent RMT sellers being able to sell it at no cost to themselves.

It doesn't matter with savage because you can unsync that with a level 90 player, but obviously ultimates don't let you do that so they are a bit different.

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Wouldn't that actually be a lot of work though? Cause it wouldn't just be as simple as gearing up, you'd also need materia melds and food buffs on the FT characters, meaning they'd have to do all of that themselves. Or maybe sellers are just that good and they don't need all of that.

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Yes, sellers capable of clearing ultimates reliably can already sell clears at no cost to themselves.

Skilled statics are good enough to complete 70 ultis with 7 players so they can sell corpse runs where the buyer lies dead on the floor the whole fight and then the sellers split the payment between them. Less-skilled or solo sellers offer pilot runs instead, where buyers give over their account info and the seller logs into the account and completes the content. In neither case does the seller risk anything; all the discussion happens on Discord or other 3rd party chat programs that Square will not accept as evidence for an RMT ban even if you could somehow get logs and link them back to the seller's character. So what little risk there is, is basically the risk of an untrustworthy seller stealing the account, and it's all on the buyer.

What allowing FTs into ultis would do is allow buyers to offer accounts up for cheapo pilot runs from untested sellers without risk, since if the seller steals your FT account, all you've lost is the week or two of skipping cutscenes and clearing fights on Very Easy that you invested to get that character up to post-StB. And if the cheapo pilot seller ends up being legit, you can just reclaim the account, change the password and all the account recovery details, and then go paid.

It's still an incredibly stupid and half-assed bandaid for the overall clear-selling problem, though.

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Unfortunately forum moderation is so light that these topics don’t get closed down

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I think that, at some point, they just adopted the same policy as in the game, which is where they only moderate things if reported. Their stance is generally that if it's not reported, then it's probably not an issue.

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Unfortunately forum moderation is so light that these topics don’t get closed down or the alt banned for so far down the line people have to interact to make it known which is one thing. I really don’t understand how they don’t notice the blatant alt like spam drama thread creation of it all, oh well maybe one day.

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They don't read forums. They read reports. If people start reporting these low quality threads, he'll have to use one of his other RMT bots for a forum account.

I see we're opening up revolutionary new fronts in brain-poisoned takes.

And yet, there still seems to be a way to go before you reach a take so bad that nobody moves to defend it. Does such a point even exist?

It's awesome how we got a new community rep for NA but titanmen is still doing his old show here. Awesome.

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Dude, if you're going to play seriously, get a subscription and don't be a leech!

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Are you calling free trial players a "leech"?

Hmmm..

Literal example of a choosing beggar.

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It's awesome how we got a new community rep for NA but titanmen is still doing his old show here. Awesome.

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Little did you realize Titanmen was the true community rep all along.

in the french patch note it said unreel trial not ultimate . weird

Oh no.
/10 chars

At least F2P will get to experience Raubahn and Pipin Savage probably.

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Make the only challenging content at Lv70 be locked behind a paid subscription. Surely that will convince new players that the game isn't simply a snoozefest through and through.

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Go outside.