Cloud Data Center: Awful Idea

I sincerely don't think SE's netcode can handle this.

Are...are you going to make a new topic every time they change slides?

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Originally Posted by AetherHale

Are...are you going to make a new topic every time they change slides?

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At this point...I think the Answer is Yes.

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

I sincerely don't think SE's netcode can handle this.

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I swear, didnt people say this was a Solution for the Login issues back with Endwalkers Release?
Now its a bad idea XD

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Originally Posted by AetherHale

Are...are you going to make a new topic every time they change slides?

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They always do this. :D

One of Japan's biggest game publishers and IP holders having their online services incorporated into AWS and their growing monopoly on internet infrastructure and multiplayer video games is a great thing. As an Amazon shareholder, I'm laughing all the way to the bank. Don't forget to pay your student loans everybody, the moratorium ends in a few weeks. :)

Im starting to notice a very obvious Pattern that Im only now catching on to......
Dont know if Im upset about it, or impressed it stealthed me for this long.

Technical/spicy take:

I've always had a theory that SE's servers run on rather outdated hardware and solving performance issues/migrating to newer architecture etc is problematic (Eg: look at how long EU servers had horrible rubber banding in duties for back in SB).

If that is indeed correct, running the servers in the cloud (Aka basically running on AWS or Azure etc) will give SE far more flexibility to scale the capabilities of the DC up or down as required and most importantly, they should be able to scale it virtually overnight.

As long as the entry point isn't problematic, aka ping, I think it's a neat idea and I'm glad to see them try it.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Im starting to notice a very obvious Pattern that Im only now catching on to......
Dont know if Im upset about it, or impressed it stealthed me for this long.

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Oh? What's that?

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

I've always had a theory that SE's servers run on rather outdated hardware and solving performance issues/migrating to newer architecture etc is problematic (Eg: look at how long EU servers had horrible rubber banding in duties for back in SB).

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They have improved the hardware sometimes with infrastructure maintenances.

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If that is indeed correct, running the servers in the cloud (Aka basically running on AWS or Azure etc) will give SE far more flexibility to scale the capabilities of the DC up or down as required and most importantly, they should be able to scale it virtually overnight.

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Yes, that is the point. The reason they decided against the cloud is because it's slower. However, it also allows them to respond to congestion such as what we get at an expansion launch. So that is why they are making it an option but not making it replace the physical servers. They believe physical is faster.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Oh? What's that?

They have improved the hardware sometimes with infrastructure maintenances.

Yes, that is the point. The reason they decided against the cloud is because it's slower. However, it also allows them to respond to congestion such as what we get at an expansion launch. So that is why they are making it an option but not making it replace the physical servers. They believe physical is faster.

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Im not gonna say it out loud.
Ill just be stealth and keep it to myself.

Outside of Koros troll doing Koros troll things… they’re doing a testing phase first and can work it out from there. Honestly I think it’s a good thing to consider if it gives them a backup or contingency for the future. I also wonder if this means they can do more down the line infrastructure wise. Take the physical off to upgrade and transfer to cloud while doing the work for instance or go to cloud only I dno

i don't know , wouldn't running this as a cloud servers be worse for player that live far away from the data centre , and every keystroke would have delays , because they would be a constant download and uploads of all data . like world , character and actions.

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

I sincerely don't think SE's netcode can handle this.

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Go outside.

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Originally Posted by lennit

i don't know , wouldn't running this as a cloud servers be worse for player that live far away from the data centre , and every keystroke would have delays , because they would be a constant download and uploads of all data . like world , character and actions.

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No... that is not what they mean by a cloud server.

They mean a server that can scale with demand. Instead of owning their own, physical machines, which they currently do, they stretch a virtual software machine over as many physical machines as is needed. Who lends them all these temporary machines as needed? A huge company like Amazon.

But as I have been saying, this process can make things slower.

If it makes stinky Duty finder no longer bound to 1 Data center, so u dont have to wait ur stupid queue for 30+ min, I am up

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

No... that is not what they mean by a cloud server.

They mean a server that can scale with demand. Instead of owning their own, physical machines, which they currently do, they stretch a virtual software machine over as many physical machines as is needed. Who lends them all these temporary machines as needed? A huge company like Amazon.

But as I have been saying, this process can make things slower.

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ok thanks . just wanted to know . because i'm a Aussie, that play on the NA server, don't want any more unpreventable lag given to me

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Originally Posted by Remolia

If it makes stinky Duty finder no longer bound to 1 Data center, so u dont have to wait ur stupid queue for 30+ min, I am up

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if it made duty finder better , i would be up for it on bismarck , duty finder here is a nightmare

Did they recently suggest that they were thinking of putting ff14 on cloud servers I haven't seen anything recently about cloud servers being implemented unless i somehow missed it in a recent interview.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

Did they recently suggest that they were thinking of putting ff14 on cloud servers I haven't seen anything recently about cloud servers being implemented unless i somehow missed it in a recent interview.

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It was in the live letter today.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

It was in the live letter today.

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Oh I haven't watched the live letter yet I should watch it.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

Did they recently suggest that they were thinking of putting ff14 on cloud servers I haven't seen anything recently about cloud servers being implemented unless i somehow missed it in a recent interview.

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i think the last time i heard any thing was from the former CEO in a xmas letter , but if they have spoken about it again , i have not heard anything. unless i miss something

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Originally Posted by lennit

i think the last time i heard any thing was from the former CEO in a xmas letter , but if they have spoken about it again , i have not heard anything. unless i miss something

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I remember vague mentions of wanting to go on cloud servers years ago i think during heavansward or close to stormblood release but it seems they mentioned it again in last nights live letter but i forgot there was a live letter last night lol.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

I remember vague mentions of wanting to go on cloud servers years ago i think during heavansward or close to stormblood release but it seems they mentioned it again in last nights live letter but i forgot there was a live letter last night lol.

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ok i got to watch that myself

They have previously said they considered cloud servers and decided against them, because they are slower.

But in the live letter earlier, they just did not want a repeat of the issue of having to close sales and lock servers when an expansion launches because they felt bad about it.

They will be testing cloud servers in the 6.5x patches and they will put details of it on the lodestone as well. I am not sure how they are going about it but I suppose now that we have Data Center Travel, that if we have a large queue, what we could do is choose to DC travel to a temporary cloud server that exists temporarily to skip the queues when an expansion launches. Or they could mean there are some permanent cloud servers, I really don't know yet.

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Originally Posted by lennit

ok i got to watch that myself

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I have to watch it also i end up missing the live letter.

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

I sincerely don't think.

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I completely agree.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

I remember vague mentions of wanting to go on cloud servers years ago i think during heavansward or close to stormblood release but it seems they mentioned it again in last nights live letter but i forgot there was a live letter last night lol.

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There was a mention of it when they wanted to help keep XI preserved as there's so many memories with it, and cloud servers were mentioned there, iirc.
But nothing after that until now, as far as I know.

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

I sincerely don't think SE's netcode can handle this.

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Why else do you think they aren't already using cloud servers, and they're going to use NA for a stress test?

YoshiP has said in the past that they have doubts that cloud servers will work with the game to their satisfaction though it was something they intended to investigate.

Players are going to get a chance to be part of that investigation now.

One thing that some have pointed out is if it does work out satisfactorily, we'd potentially be much closer to getting cross data center Party Finder.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

There was a mention of it when they wanted to help keep XI preserved as there's so many memories with it, and cloud servers were mentioned there, iirc.
But nothing after that until now, as far as I know.

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They were also looking into cloud servers as a temporary way to get more servers during the chip shortage back when Endwalker came out. Just that at the time it wasn't at a price they were willing to allow Yoshida to have as he was willing to pay a higher price if it meant the log in congestion could be eased. It just never got anywhere. These servers could also be part of the Xbox agreement as supposedly Xbox does use the cloud to some extent or whatnot. Between this and the extra servers we already have they should be able to handle any influx of new players coming in with Dawntrail and Xbox players.

Its kinda why they specifically stated theyre going to do a PTR and stress test it first.

We'll see if itll work though but I dont have that many high hopes.

Theyre only doing it as a temp counter measure to prevent 7.0 login queues anyway

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Originally Posted by Canadane

There was a mention of it when they wanted to help keep XI preserved as there's so many memories with it, and cloud servers were mentioned there, iirc.
But nothing after that until now, as far as I know.

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I remember them discussing it for ff11 also and them saying it would help preserve that game.

I think it's worthwhile for them to look into, and it's good they're doing a public stress test. I wonder if NA will be first and they'll do one for each region.

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Originally Posted by AetherHale

Are...are you going to make a new topic every time they change slides?

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Yes, what a criminal OP is, what an absolute lunatic he is, for... *checks notes* ... talking about the Final Fantasy XIV live letter on the Final Fantasy XIV official forums as it's broadcast.

In any case, I bet it'll be one of those things that has a really horrible growing pains period where the game is basically unplayable and our concerns about the lag get ignored until it affects a Japanese player and then suddenly the game goes down all day to fix it.

I agree, a Cloud data center would be an awful idea.

They should do a Vivi data center instead.

:p

I'm hoping with cloud data centers they can actually spread them out. I would kill to have a data center that isn't just in southern california or west coast USA, if you aren't in that region the ping makes a number of jobs just unplayable or immensely unfun.
Having an East Coast US, West Coast US, Midwest US, and maybe South America DCs for America would be preferable but that's just a pipedream right now.

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

I sincerely don't think SE's netcode can handle this.

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oh look ANOTHER Noumenon post with 2 lines and 0 substance. i genuinly think due to the lack of context in ur posts ur just rage farming

for one.. do u even HAVE a better idea or did you enjoy the 9k long EW ques

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Originally Posted by Reap00

Go outside.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

I'm hoping with cloud data centers they can actually spread them out. I would kill to have a data center that isn't just in southern california or west coast USA, if you aren't in that region the ping makes a number of jobs just unplayable or immensely unfun.
Having an East Coast US, West Coast US, Midwest US, and maybe South America DCs for America would be preferable but that's just a pipedream right now.

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my default answer to all thiiq cloud stuff is : get you head out of the cloud and your feet on the ground.
I see daily what a bad idea cloud stuff is. have network issues once and you are screwef unble to do anything

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

my default answer to all thiiq cloud stuff is : get you head out of the cloud and your feet on the ground.
I see daily what a bad idea cloud stuff is. have network issues once and you are screwef unble to do anything

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the entire game already operates like that, if anything going to a cloud provider with redundancy would have more uptime than we do now

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

oh look ANOTHER Noumenon post with 2 lines and 0 substance. i genuinly think due to the lack of context in ur posts ur just rage farming

for one.. do u even HAVE a better idea or did you enjoy the 9k long EW ques

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The better idea is to not bother with any changes.

The last time they tried to "improve" the infrastructure we had months of 90k issues.

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

I sincerely don't think SE's netcode can handle this.

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It shouldn't be a big problem.



Cheers