More top 100 rewards please

What keeps matches going in Crystal in CC and Diamond in Feast was good exclusive t100 rewards. The extra augmented Hellhound weapon and mounts like Dreadnaught made the top ranks more alive. We need more such rewards please. Exclusivity actually helps keep games alive, you can see this by looking at how the t100 floor is higher since they released augmented Hellhound and Feast s18-s20 floor was also higher because of the glam and mount

fyi these exclusive rewards is why I keep using the dreadnaught on my main even when I have tons of mounts because I get asked what mount it is all the time because it's so rare and I enjoy it. Other players seeing rare mounts from t100 will also be motivated to play. This isn't a bad thing, the bad thing is that alts take up too much of the t100 slots and it should be 1 mount per account.

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

What keeps matches going in Crystal in CC and Diamond in Feast was good exclusive t100 rewards. The extra augmented Hellhound weapon and mounts like Dreadnaught made the top ranks more alive. We need more such rewards please. Exclusivity actually helps keep games alive, you can see this by looking at how the t100 floor is higher since they released augmented Hellhound and Feast s18-s20 floor was also higher because of the glam and mount

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No that's not evidence at all, that's just a cute anecdote about the highest tier ranks which doesn't even neccessarily have causal relationship. I'd argue the opposite, that overall top 100 timelimited rewards decrease interest in ranked.

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

fyi these exclusive rewards is why I keep using the dreadnaught on my main even when I have tons of mounts because I get asked what mount it is all the time because it's so rare and I enjoy it. Other players seeing rare mounts from t100 will also be motivated to play. This isn't a bad thing, the bad thing is that alts take up too much of the t100 slots and it should be 1 mount per account.

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You sit on the mount. A new player comes along: "Hey, I have never seen this, it's so cool! Where did you get this!"

"Oh it's from being top 100 in Season 20 of the Feast."

"Oh, can I still get it?"

"No, it's no longer in the game"

"Ah, alright, shame! Thank you!"

I mean it's not really a motivating factor when shit just isn't there anymore :D it's the opposite!

I really feel how it works should be like how wof collars are handed out in feast. Being in top 100 just means you getting these rewards a lot faster. I am also playing Guild wars 2's ranked now because playing ranked gives out a special series that's only available in ranked, And top ranking exclusive reward is only a title And achievement. Being in higher rank just means your special series fills up faster. It is really stress Free And filled with incentive to play. Yes, There is a lot of incentive to try to play well because winning fills the special reward series 3 times faster.

The armor from one of the last seasons of the feast certainly motivated me to grind, but when I climbed high enough to start getting matched with top 100 players every other match had blatant scripters, win traders, or people having baby tantrums and throwing the match after the first death. I see no reason to give that cesspool more exclusive items.

I think they should do a mix of long grind with some more exclusive rewards. Old collar system where even Bronzes could gain rewards over many many seasons for some of them and then more exclusivity with recolors.

I remember Rein suggesting having recolors of armors/mounts in Series for breaking through spesific points in Ranks. As example the first Season Archfiend armor (Black/Red) could have had variants (Black/Blue highlights, Black/Green highlights) for people reaching something like Plat/Diamond and Crystal/Top 100. This will allow people to still get the base looks fairly easily but still retains a slight sense of achievement for people getting the rest. Kinda same with mounts.

The scaling reward using the old collar system could kinda work as the current augmentation and eventually allow people to augment the Series armors and Mounts, by adding effects to them. Alternatively or on top, having them release a new set of Hellhound Weapons or even a full Hellhound armor set with each piece upgradeable would go far with the current Commendation Crystals.

Imagine having a full armor set that you augment and it gets progressively more intense with each piece upgraded, the final form with all the pieces augmented could have massive aura effect or something, bonus points if the colors change based on the dyes used on the armor.

Whatever they choose to do, they will have to make Ranked worthwhile. Currently if you have placed high on Ranked once you might as well just grind the Casual queue since majority of the rewards are repeats and you get the same tomes, exp etc. from Casual with vastly less effort.

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Originally Posted by Eisi

No that's not evidence at all, that's just a cute anecdote about the highest tier ranks which doesn't even neccessarily have causal relationship. I'd argue the opposite, that overall top 100 timelimited rewards decrease interest in ranked.

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Ok, but I at least showed a correlation (not causation but it's at least a small piece of evidence pointing towards t100 motivating people), but you don't even have any correlation, so what evidence are you basing your argument on? Imagination?

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Originally Posted by Eisi

I mean it's not really a motivating factor when shit just isn't there anymore :D it's the opposite!

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And I like having exclusive rewards that not many people can get. That newbie would either give up or hype himself and say "that's cool, I want an exclusive reward too" and start playing ranked PvP next season, and really do we want people who give up so easily playing ranked anyways? They will just give up after their first bronze match anyways...

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

The armor from one of the last seasons of the feast certainly motivated me to grind, but when I climbed high enough to start getting matched with top 100 players every other match had blatant scripters, win traders, or people having baby tantrums and throwing the match after the first death. I see no reason to give that cesspool more exclusive items.

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I agree but shouldn't the solution be more enforcement of the ToS, not changing the rewards. It's like saying we're going to stop providing free healthcare because 3 or 4 people go to ER every day for no reason. Do you really want to just remove free healthcare? Or more sensibly we can ban those people from going to ER every day or limit the number of ER visits you can get (which in this analogy translates to 1 t100 reward per account, alts don't get any)

I also don't know which season you played in but I have never heard any datacenter having scripters win traders or griefers in 50% of the matches, it's more like 2-3% (also let's be real the win traders usually only play at 5am when no one can catch them anyways so idk how you're even seeing them so much). The biggest issue in Feast and now CC has always been alts, the leaderboard is like 30% alts sometimes. And those alts are not wintrading either, they are just from very bored veterans who want to show off they can get top 3 with their 3 characters or they enjoy smurfing in lower ranks... If people can only get one t100 reward per account, the alts will probably still exist but now more players can get the reward and not just the same 60 people with alts.

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

Ok, but I at least showed a correlation (not causation but it's at least a small piece of evidence pointing towards t100 motivating people), but you don't even have any correlation, so what evidence are you basing your argument on? Imagination?

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I wasn't gonna comment on this topic considering there's a thread already discussing it but theres a few fallacies in your argument that are hard to ignore, regarding the supposition of rank activity I assume you're using data from all DC's or is the concern only for Crystal because primal is always active regardless of rewards/incentives in which case we're we to use the concept of correlation your argument would then be more applicable to a DC/player population,retention issue rather than the misnomer of exclusivity being the only factor to produce activity which leads to the next point below

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

And I like having exclusive rewards that not many people can get. That newbie would either give up or hype himself and say "that's cool, I want an exclusive reward too" and start playing ranked PvP next season, and really do we want people who give up so easily playing ranked anyways? They will just give up after their first bronze match anyways...

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While I understand the desire for exclusivity (as strange as it is) I lean more towards rarity and accessibility*(which is what the current rewards are)when considering exclusivity by its nature doesn't promote/produce the full potential of participation/activity as you may feel that it does especially when you look at the former e.g POTD,HOH,Ultimates ect even the reintroduced garo rewards (which were exclusive and are no longer) have a better result when compared to certain battle pass rewards, if you need credibility/validation I recommend looking at the acquisition statistics of any site relating to 14.
Furthermore im glad you're forthright about your desire for exclusivity however please don't masquerade it with the intention of the betterment of the mode, nothing wrong with self serving interests.

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

I agree but shouldn\\'t the solution be more enforcement of the ToS, not changing the rewards. It\\'s like saying we\\'re going to stop providing free healthcare because 3 or 4 people go to ER every day for no reason. Do you really want to just remove free healthcare? Or more sensibly we can ban those people from going to ER every day or limit the number of ER visits you can get (which in this analogy translates to 1 t100 reward per account, alts don\\'t get any)

I also don\\'t know which season you played in but I have never heard any datacenter having scripters win traders or griefers in 50% of the matches, it\\'s more like 2-3% (also let\\'s be real the win traders usually only play at 5am when no one can catch them anyways so idk how you\\'re even seeing them so much). The biggest issue in Feast and now CC has always been alts, the leaderboard is like 30% alts sometimes. And those alts are not wintrading either, they are just from very bored veterans who want to show off they can get top 3 with their 3 characters or they enjoy smurfing in lower ranks... If people can only get one t100 reward per account, the alts will probably still exist but now more players can get the reward and not just the same 60 people with alts.

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The free Healthcare analogy doesn\\'t work considering that wouldn\\'t meet the definition of exclusivity although I may understand the point you\\'re trying to make ,the issue being that the devs have already explained how they can\\'t go further into enforcing tos without violating privacy of their player which in turn would lead to more problems, I do however think the 1 reward to be shared/limited by 1 account is a decent idea. Lastly the subject of WT, cheating ect I share your sentiment but I remain open minded and skeptical as not to dismiss it entirely as such behavior is a by product of the exclusivity you seem attached to

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

I agree but shouldn't the solution be more enforcement of the ToS, not changing the rewards.

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There should definitely be more enforcement of ToS in PvP I agree with you there.

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

I also don't know which season you played in but I have never heard any datacenter having scripters win traders or griefers in 50% of the matches, it's more like 2-3% (also let's be real the win traders usually only play at 5am when no one can catch them anyways so idk how you're even seeing them so much).

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Yes the leaderboard crowd always loves to clutch their pearls and downplay the prevalence of those behaviors, as if anyone would ever say "yeah you got me I rob banks lol."

I'm a huge fighting game fan so I'm no stranger to losing a lot, and I have no problem doing so as long as it was a fair fight and I can learn and improve. That's how I felt for most of the climb and I was having a lot of fun, but the nonsense I saw once I began closing in on the leaderboard was so pervasive and obnoxious I gave up the climb entirely. To be honest what annoyed me more than the cheating was the player behavior. What a bunch of emotionally unstable toxic crybabies. The microsecond something didn't go exactly how they wanted it to, often through their own fault, they would throw a fit and deliberately lose the match by going afk or walking down the middle of the arena. I was in the PvP discord at the time as well and the chat there was even worse.

So no, I don't think people who engage in that behavior should be rewarded for it. If anything SE should do the opposite and make past Feast rewards available again to everyone else.

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

Ok, but I at least showed a correlation (not causation but it's at least a small piece of evidence pointing towards t100 motivating people), but you don't even have any correlation, so what evidence are you basing your argument on? Imagination?

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No, you didn't show anything, I just believed you. But you didn't even demonstrate the correlation you cutie.

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And I like having exclusive rewards that not many people can get. That newbie would either give up or hype himself and say "that's cool, I want an exclusive reward too" and start playing ranked PvP next season, and really do we want people who give up so easily playing ranked anyways? They will just give up after their first bronze match anyways...

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If it's about wanting to get exclusive stuff and not about finding the mounts and armor actually cool, then you have an argument. I think the vast majority of potential pvp enjoyers are people who wouldn't actually care about exclusivity and more about the rewards themselves though. And those two are mutually exclusive.

I don't think they'd ever go back to huge cosmetic rewards as exclusive stuff for the top 100. I do personally think the model they have for the Hellhound weapons right now is pretty good and should add on to it more.

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

What keeps matches going in Crystal in CC and Diamond in Feast was good exclusive t100 rewards. The extra augmented Hellhound weapon and mounts like Dreadnaught made the top ranks more alive. We need more such rewards please. Exclusivity actually helps keep games alive, you can see this by looking at how the t100 floor is higher since they released augmented Hellhound and Feast s18-s20 floor was also higher because of the glam and mount

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no.
they should just continue to reskin old outfits from feast and slap it onto the series pass.

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

What keeps matches going in Crystal in CC and Diamond in Feast was good exclusive t100 rewards.

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No in Feast it was the same 10 people playing every evening at midnight who kept the matches popping. Most of the seasons were so dead you could play 1 evening in a season that lasted for months and still make it to top 100.

I have been in the top 100 three tiems and honestly I think the rewards shoudl be released to the public. It has bee years and a good amount of those that won no longer play. I would be 100% ok if they released it for like 20 wolf collars each. Make it a big grind and let everyoene enjoy it. FOMO is a terrible thing for MMOs imo.