Aenc Thon Misgendered in Blue Spell #120 - Candy Cane

So it was established in Shadowbringers that the fae are all genderless creatures. But there's an error in the description for the new Blue Mage spell #120, Candy Cane.

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Originally Posted by Blue Mage Spell #120 - Candy Cane (Blue Mage Log)

Loosely based upon Aenc Thon's technique, which saw him wallop foes with a candy cane, this spell sweetens any duel with a rain of confections. The Fuath leader, for one, would not be averse to mages thus spreading the love.

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Compare that to Encyclopedia Eorzea III where they're correctly identified with they/them pronouns.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...2/IMG_7516.png

It's minor, but please correct the "his" in the spell description to "them" to match the lore.

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Originally Posted by Dikatis

So it was established in Shadowbringers that the fae are all genderless creatures. But there's an error in the description for the new Blue Mage spell #120, Candy Cane.



Compare that to Encyclopedia Eorzea III where they're correctly identified with they/them pronouns.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...2/IMG_7516.png

It's minor, but please correct the "his" in the spell description to "them" to match the lore.

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Is it misgendering (or an error?)? Or is it from someone else's perspective (i.e misinterpretation)? Technically having the spell is quite confusing to me for that case in general, given the fact the book was supposedly written prior, so someone besides us should have been to the first to write it so, assuming such, what if that unknown person didn't know that the fae were genderless?

The lore is confusing to me just in that regard where we have spells from the first and that other blue mages have used them.

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Originally Posted by Katish

Technically having the spell is quite confusing to me for that case in general, given the fact the book was supposedly written prior, so someone besides us should have been to the first to write it so, assuming such, what if that unknown person didn't know that the fae were genderless?

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Martyn gave us the original book with a guide to spells we can learn in Eorzea, but I assume we've been making our own notes in it since then.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Martyn gave us the original book with a guide to spells we can learn in Eorzea, but I assume we've been making our own notes in it since then.

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That's what my original interpretation was until I saw Martyn use the skills from the First hence why I said other Blue Mages have used the spells from the first. So we must assume he must have gone there as the lore of the Blue Mage is you learn spells from monsters with said spells or skills by having them use it...?
Confusing lel

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Originally Posted by Katish

That's what my original interpretation was until I saw Martyn use the skills from the First hence why I said other Blue Mages have used the spells from the first. So we must assume he must have gone there as the lore of the Blue Mage is you learn spells from monsters with said spells or skills by having them use it...?

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I haven't gotten to those quests yet. Is there any chance he learnt it from something in the Source? Or that we taught it to him?

We can learn skills from other blue mages as well as directly from monsters.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I haven't gotten to those quests yet. Is there any chance he learnt it from something in the Source? Or that we taught it to him?

Edit: rewatched the cutscenes it was a spell that looks similar tot ge first spells but not exact so nvm the fact him using it

We can learn skills from other blue mages as well as directly from monsters.

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Edit: rewatched the cutscenes and mistook a spell from the First, they look similar. XD
So he didn't use it, but he did use unique ones not released.

Who cares if someone is misgendered tho

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Originally Posted by Katish

Is it misgendering (or an error?)? Or is it from someone else's perspective (i.e misinterpretation)? Technically having the spell is quite confusing to me for that case in general, given the fact the book was supposedly written prior, so someone besides us should have been to the first to write it so, assuming such, what if that unknown person didn't know that the fae were genderless?

The lore is confusing to me just in that regard where we have spells from the first and that other blue mages have used them.

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WoL probably could have taught it to the other blue mages, but they almost certainly learned it from Aenc Thon. Otherwise they wouldn't be directly mentioned in the description. WoL would have corrected Martyn's notes.

The Triple Triad card for all Fuath also uses "they/them".

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Originally Posted by Fuath Triple Triad card

A fae race that inhabits the faerie kingdom of Il Mheg. Also known as water spirits, they make their home in lakes, fiercely protecting the waterfront from would-be interlopers. The sheer cruelty and tastelessness of the pranks they play on outsiders has earned them the scorn of the more playful pixies.

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And yes, it's being used in the plural here, but this is consistent with in-story dialogue.

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Originally Posted by Feo Ul from "Every Anden of the Rainbow"

Oh, to be called so passionately by my sweetest sapling! My spirit is all song!
Of course, of course! Your branch has come to offer up the full extent of their power, just as they promised.

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Originally Posted by Journal regarding Beq Lugg in "A Grand Adventure"

You pass through winding corridors and courtyards lush with greenery, magical creatures attempting to bar your every step. Yet they cannot prevent you from reaching the heart of the Grand Cosmos. Within, you find the mage waiting, and without a moment's hesitation, they unleash their fiercest familiar upon you. Nevertheless, its flame is soon snuffed out.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

Who cares if someone is misgendered tho

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Yes it does. It's a matter of consistency and congruity with the lore since the fae are all genderless people. People would be up in arms if Raubahn were constantly called a "she" when he's clearly does not identify as a woman, so why should the fae be any different?

The TT card I think only uses they/them not as a gendered pronoun, but as one would for a group of people. The fuath as a whole do those things. The amaro being one of two inhabitants of Il Mheg that aren't fae is kind of funny.

Eddit: All the they usage when it comes to the fuath that I can see come off as one would address a group and not an individual.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Eddit: All the they usage when it comes to the fuath that I can see come off as one would address a group and not an individual.

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Found an instance:

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Originally Posted by Keeper of the Keys Triple Triad Card

The Fuath who repurposed the Dungeons of Lyhe Ghiah as their personal treasure vault likely put this cursed monstrosity in place as a guard. One wonders if the riotous hue of the creature's fur was deliberate, or simply a chaotic side effect of reckless fae enchantments.

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Singular with they/them pronouns, consistent with the rest of the fae.

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Originally Posted by Dikatis

Found an instance:



Singular with they/them pronouns, consistent with the rest of the fae.

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You may be correct, but to me that their still reads as an indicator as a group label. As even though it adds in personal as another descriptor the treasure vault doesn't belong just to a singular fuath. Now if it had said Aenc Thon, who had repurposed the dungeons of Lyhe Ghiah as their personal treasure vault then it would be a show of they/them pronouns. Similar as to how in the Tales from the Shadows story Small Mercies anything referring to Beq Lugg is they/them. I'd have to go over other the other Nu Mou and Beq Lugg instances to see if they stayed consistent. Either way it probably is an error in the spell's description.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Similar as to how in the Tales from the Shadows story Small Mercies anything referring to Beq Lugg is they/them. I'd have to go over other the other Nu Mou and Beq Lugg instances to see if they stayed consistent.

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There are plenty of in-game examples of Beq Lugg and the other Nu Mou consistently being referred to as "they".

For some quick examples, the early quests where you first visit Pla Enni they direct you to speak to the various Nu Mou for patronage.

Wyd Aenc in A Fitting Payment:

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Let's see... Perhaps you can begin with Marn Ose. They are one of our foremost artisans, once held in the highest esteem by the knights of Voeburt.
With the knights gone, however, Marn Ose has had no opportunity to put their skills to use. They would be overjoyed for your patronage.

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Ys Gyuf in Spore Sweeper:

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Now, will you be offering your patronage to anyone else? If so, would you consider Wyd Lad?
They've been under the weather of late, and the chance to perform an honorable task would cheer them up.

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It's difficult to find individual references to the Fuath since they so often act as a group, but I don't recall anything that suggests that they are gendered unlike the other fae.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

There are plenty of in-game examples of Beq Lugg and the other Nu Mou consistently being referred to as "they".

For some quick examples, the early quests where you first visit Pla Enni they direct you to speak to the various Nu Mou for patronage.

Wyd Aenc in A Fitting Payment:


Ys Gyuf in Spore Sweeper:



It's difficult to find individual references to the Fuath since they so often act as a group, but I don't recall anything that suggests that they are gendered unlike the other fae.

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Ok good. So it does seem as this is the only time the devs used the wrong pronoun. It is as you say most of the time the Fuath are mentioned they are mentioned as a group. I'm not sure of any individual Fuath outside of Aenc Thon. It is a shame that they oopsed this time as they tend to be careful when it comes to pronouns.