Bots Beating Creatures Underground

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08-19-2023, 11:34 AM
wolfaust

Bots Beating Creatures Underground

Hello,

I'm facing some of the bots in the game, and they are beating creatures from underground. Sometimes they just appear from nowhere, but up in the sky and kill my creatures.

What sorcery is this? :confused:

https://images2.imgbox.com/96/64/2G1GzkIm_o.jpg

Bests,
08-19-2023, 12:22 PM
Myrany

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Originally Posted by wolfaust

Hello,

I'm facing some of the bots in the game, and they are beating creatures from underground. Sometimes they just appear from nowhere, but up in the sky and kill my creatures.

What sorcery is this? :confused:

Bests,

You haven't run into the bots that wait for someone else to activate a quest area that spawns mobs and then spawns theirs from underground so the real player gets swamped with 50 mobs?

I've been seeing this a LOT in low zones lately
08-19-2023, 01:01 PM
Jojoya

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Originally Posted by Myrany

You haven't run into the bots that wait for someone else to activate a quest area that spawns mobs and then spawns theirs from underground so the real player gets swamped with 50 mobs?

I've been seeing this a LOT in low zones lately

If there are 50 mobs spawning, it's because there are 50 bots stacked one on top of the other underground.

They're not waiting for someone to show up, they're just following their script. Real players don't exist for them.

It can be quite fun to pull the mobs away from the spawn point to the top of a rock or another location where LoS prevents the bots from attacking (any real player could still attack so it wouldn't be a problem). The Daniffen Pass (with the spawned Mudpuppy quest) is a good spot - you can force the bots out from underground but they'll stay in the water where they still can't hit the mudpuppy.
08-19-2023, 02:24 PM
PercibelTheren

I must be missing something. Why are people doing it? I can't imagine it yields a whole lot of XP. Is it for some rare materials?
08-19-2023, 03:03 PM
kaynide

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

I must be missing something. Why are people doing it? I can't imagine it yields a whole lot of XP. Is it for some rare materials?

They are botting through the MSQ, with teleports and all.
Zerging through the MSQ on 50ish characters nets a lot of gil at the end of it.
08-19-2023, 03:10 PM
Jeeqbit

Bots exist. You usually don't see them, but occasionally you will, if you pass by a quest they happen to all be doing. Sometimes they are in city states teleporting around and you spot them doing it. They spend a lot of time underground so that you don't see them as well.
08-19-2023, 03:27 PM
Elissar

Used to be worse.
I remember seeing multiple of them waiting to perform a specific action next to the Sylphs. Tbh i don't worry about it.
08-19-2023, 07:14 PM
ICountFrom0

Oh, and you'll want to edit that first picture.
You will get suspended for having usernames in it of the bots.
08-19-2023, 07:15 PM
Godzillaxpowerrangers

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Originally Posted by Elissar

Used to be worse.
I remember seeing multiple of them waiting to perform a specific action next to the Sylphs. Tbh i don't worry about it.

I remember those days. That and getting bot tells in house wards.
08-20-2023, 03:59 AM
wolfaust

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

Oh, and you'll want to edit that first picture.
You will get suspended for having usernames in it of the bots.

That's kinda weird... Why? Isn't it best to show their name, and then devs can ban them?
08-20-2023, 07:14 AM
ICountFrom0

Two reasons, both stupid.
1. It's the rules. You can't post a picture of a name AND say they are doing something improper. "Name and shame" is improper.
2. Only the "special team" can actually do anything about the bots. That requires filling out a form elsewhere. In game reports go to the GM's who cannot, in any way, do anything with, to, or about the bots, or they get fired. Nobody on the forums has any power over anything in game, so posting here is quite useless.

Yha, I said they were both stupid reasons. It's just how things are.
08-20-2023, 08:22 AM
Denji

They do this all the time. Been this way since ARR.

It's why we no longer have levequests and why quests give so little EXP nowadays outside of MSQ nonsense. Makes it more difficult to automate grinding.
08-20-2023, 02:34 PM
ServerCollaps

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Originally Posted by wolfaust

That's kinda weird... Why? Isn't it best to show their name, and then devs can ban them?

its name shaming of other players which is forbidden

(they dont count as bots until proven guilty, which isnt your task)
08-20-2023, 03:22 PM
PredatoryCatgirl

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

its name shaming of other players which is forbidden

(they dont count as bots until proven guilty, which isnt your task)

This is exactly it. Anyone can accuse anyone of anything and produce a screenshot that backs them up. Screenshots are easy to fake, meaning it isn't that difficult to sic an outrage mob on someone for something they didn't actually do.

Edit: wanted to make it clear that I am not accusing you of faking the screenshot. I'm just saying that because its possible, a rule had to be put in place.
08-21-2023, 01:15 AM
Frizze

And to be clear, i doubt that any of us think you are faking the screenshot here. We all know its a real thing that really happens all the time. Its just the rules. And like Icountfrom0 said, the rules can be stupid.
08-21-2023, 07:56 AM
LinaAkayomi

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Originally Posted by Myrany

You haven't run into the bots that wait for someone else to activate a quest area that spawns mobs and then spawns theirs from underground so the real player gets swamped with 50 mobs?

OK, I see how this is an actual issue that needs to be fixed ASAP... but also the scenario seems HILARIOUS to me
08-21-2023, 03:05 PM
Myrany

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Originally Posted by LinaAkayomi

OK, I see how this is an actual issue that needs to be fixed ASAP... but also the scenario seems HILARIOUS to me

The first time it happened, I laughed after I survived it.

The 5th time in 3 days it kinda stopped being funny and started being annoying.

Knowing there were a couple of other people working through the same questing area I switched to my main so I could help them get through without getting killed.
08-21-2023, 06:06 PM
VelKallor

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Zerging through the MSQ on 50ish characters nets a lot of gil at the end of it.

Which is probably why NG plus doesnt give xp or gil. Thats a guess, I dont know for certain.
08-21-2023, 06:36 PM
UkcsAlias

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

I'm just saying that because its possible, a rule had to be put in place.

Its because there is plenty of proof of people deliberately faking these things to put blame on players.

And note that depending on the country, its illegal to do (its a crime that can put you in prison). Slander is not a joke. And the damage is easily done. It doesnt matter whether you can proof it was false afterward, since a lot of people might already have decided to boycot and never even see that result (or dont even trust it).

With such rule, even if a name now is displayed, players are more likely to see the potentialy malicious intent of the screenshot and wont judge as quickly. Its a good way to protect players. But it comes with the requirement that it must be enforced with penalties for not obeying these rules. You wont hurt the abuser at all if his name is displayed, he simply wont care. Yet an innocent person might get destroyed.

And companies can take even more extreme steps to handle these cases. You dont often hear about this as they keep things anonymous (being professional). But thats because most abuse doesnt happen on a very large scale. Sure 50 bots sounds a lot, but if its a single person using a single computer, its a minor thing. There is no large scale abuse then even though it might look like it. There is a reason you usualy only hear about the sellers of the software and not its users.