1.23 --->2.0

I was talking within the Linkshell and the topic arose of the downtime between the two clients. Obviously when they data transfer our characters from 1.23 to a build of 2.0 there will probably a downtime where you cant play them. I can't really tell from the current information but will we continue to play our current characters? Or is there going to be another PC beta where we make test characters. In the roadmap they have "Radical Changes to the in-game World" I.e the 1.23-->2.0 gap. It would be really wierd making a new character then coming back to my old one...?

Basically they've said the transfer will occur during the PC beta scheduled for October.

If I recall correctly, when the servers go down the beta for 2.0 will go up. It'll take a while to transfer all the data over so in the mean time we can play the beta. As far as the beta specifics go, no idea.

Well beta is beta after all.

but as far as I can tell from the information at hand. Yes, once they shut down at the end of 1.xx we will not be able to access our characters in any way shape or form until the launch of 2.0.

Reason being while the data migration is happening they can't have us updating our character data via play.

Bah, and here I was hoping I could play other things during the month-long break.

Welp, I guess people can't complain about not being able to play this game during that time.

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Originally Posted by Jacien

Bah, and here I was hoping I could play other things during the month-long break.

Welp, I guess people can't complain about not being able to play this game during that time.

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Depends if it's a typical demo masquerading as a beta like so many companies do today or if it's an actual beta with limited play time and is just a series of stress tests for the new servers.

They said it could take up to a month to transfer data and the people that get to play beta, play on new characters. then after the transfer is done, we can play on ours again.

it will be nice to play the game as a new character on beta too see how the game unfolds now.

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Originally Posted by indira

it will be nice to play the game as a new character on beta too see how the game unfolds now.

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I'd like to know if I could keep my beta character (assuming I get access) in addition to the ones I have.

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Originally Posted by Antanias

I'd like to know if I could keep my beta character (assuming I get access) in addition to the ones I have.

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Hopefully we find out soon how beta will be handled. But my guess would be beta characters get wiped.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

Hopefully we find out soon how beta will be handled. But my guess would be beta characters get wiped.

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If that's the case, I'll make a male kitty named Scratchall Thethings xD

It wasn't my understanding that everyone will able to play the beta after ffxiv goes down. Some people are going to be out in the cold I imagine.

They are going to need more than a month to beta test 2.0, don't rush this Yoshi-p.

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It wasn't my understanding that everyone will able to play the beta after ffxiv goes down. Some people are going to be out in the cold I imagine.

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oldest legacy accounts with the most months sub'd should get beta access.

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They are going to need more than a month to beta test 2.0, don't rush this Yoshi-p.

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think there hard work is out the way since they been in playing with it for months and we are there test dummys, the server stress im guessing would be the major thing they need to test

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Originally Posted by indira

oldest legacy accounts with the most months sub'd should get beta access.


think there hard work is out the way since they been in playing with it for months and we are there test dummys, the server stress im guessing would be the major thing they need to test

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meaning those that have been subbing from the start? :P

I think that there will be plenty of people playing in 2.0 alpha (if there is one) and especially beta.

Depending on how many actual subscribers the game has now, I would imagine most if not all the Legacy players get to join in the beta.
- The Legacy players deserve it the most because they've stuck around the game this long. It'd be a nice perk to be a beta tester for something I'm so thrilled is releasing soon. :)
- Also, depending on how many players get in, it could be a wonderful stress test. PSO2 CBT and OBT averaged something around like.. 30-60k registrations and a truckload of logins. 2.0 would do well to see the same.

But, regardless, I'm pretty sure 99% of Legacy players will get beta, lol.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

They are going to need more than a month to beta test 2.0, don't rush this Yoshi-p.

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Lol can't be worse the 1.0

Anyone else not wanting to play the beta? To me it kind of ruins how fun the of the actual release?

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Originally Posted by Mort

Anyone else not wanting to play the beta? To me it kind of ruins how fun the of the actual release?

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I'm with this. Hopefully I'll be able to focus on school since it'll be mid semester by then

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

I'm with this. Hopefully I'll be able to focus on school since it'll be mid semester by then

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But it will be very tempting ^^

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Originally Posted by Mort

But it will be very tempting ^^

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Lol I'll keep my finger crossed that I won't get into beta >.<

Considering that the data transfer is taking place around the same time, I'd assume we couldn't play our characters. You can't use the data when the data doesn't exist on the servers.

also in reinhardts thread he has translated yoshi is thinking of "After the grand finale might do a poll to see to keep the server running with a condition where you can't save the data?"

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

They said it could take up to a month to transfer data and the people that get to play beta, play on new characters. then after the transfer is done, we can play on ours again.

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And from what I heard, we get to keep our test characters as well. So, we would have 2 characters (if you only have one current character like I do) to own after the transfer is done with our original character for 2.0 .

Some context.

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GE: Speaking of Beta, will there be downtime between current game and 2.0?

Yoshida: What’s going to happen is that after the current version is finished and storyline over, the servers will go down and the 2.0 beta will start up. We want to make sure we don’t make the same mistake as before, and want to be sure we have enough time not only for the beta test but also to get feedback from the players and leave enough time to implement that feedback. Also, keep in mind that transferring the characters to the new servers and systems could take up to a month. So that process will be running while the beta test is in place. There can’t be a launch immediately after the current servers are shut down.

GE: So the beta test and current game will not be operating simultaneously?

Yoshida: No. Because we need the time to convert the data from the current version to the new version, we can’t have people keep playing because they will keep updating their data. That doesn’t mean we are not going to work hard to make sure the servers aren’t down for a long time. We know that the community is there and want to maintain that community.

GE: How much downtime do you expect between the end of the beta test and the launch 2.0?

Yoshida: It won’t be anything like the next day, but we hope to have it be as short as possible. We need enough time to make sure everything is right and start it smoothly.

GE: Do you have any ideas yet on how will people get into beta?

Yoshida: We decided not to tie it directly to the legacy campaign, but we want to prioritize getting the current players that are playing now into beta.

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I don't think this answers any of the questions (I guess it raised most of the questions in this thread), but this thread needs concreteness.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

They are going to need more than a month to beta test 2.0, don't rush this Yoshi-p.

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From what I can tell, the beta is expected to last three months. The beta and the character migration are not the same thing; they just happen to be happening at the same time. But the character transfer should be done before the beta is. Which, I guess, means you will get to use existing characters later on in the beta. But that's just a guess.

While I'm in guessing mode, I might as well say that I think closed beta will last one month, but will be followed by a period of open beta. This seems to be indicated by the fact that they plan to temporarily reintroduce free trials ahead of the relaunch proper next year.

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Originally Posted by Catriona

From what I can tell, the beta is expected to last three months. The beta and the character migration are not the same thing; they just happen to be happening at the same time. But the character transfer should be done before the beta is. Which, I guess, means you will get to use existing characters later on in the beta. But that's just a guess.

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This sounds about right, after all they're going to want to test it to make sure all the data transfered over correctly, if it's a 3-month beta and the last month we get our actual data i'll be happy.

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I was talking within the Linkshell and the topic arose of the downtime between the two clients. Obviously when they data transfer our characters from 1.23 to a build of 2.0 there will probably a downtime where you cant play them.

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There will be downtime where the game won't be available at all (much longer than a server maintenance), but at no time will be be making special characters for a beta or anything. Why do people keep asking this and why do people keep stirring the rumor pot?

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if it's a 3-month beta and the last month we get our actual data i'll be happy.

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The game will be completely offline while the data is being migrated. You will be using your actual data 100% of the time you're playing the game. The free trial period for 2.0 testing is going to be with your regular characters.

Where are people getting this funny idea that there will be character deletions or that we will have to create special characters for testing? None of this has been said anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Where are people getting this funny idea that there will be character deletions or that we will have to create special characters for testing? None of this has been said anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Someinterview

Yoshida: What’s going to happen is that after the current version is finished and storyline over, the servers will go down and the 2.0 beta will start up. We want to make sure we don’t make the same mistake as before, and want to be sure we have enough time not only for the beta test but also to get feedback from the players and leave enough time to implement that feedback. Also, keep in mind that transferring the characters to the new servers and systems could take up to a month. So that process will be running while the beta test is in place. There can’t be a launch immediately after the current servers are shut down.

GE: So the beta test and current game will not be operating simultaneously?

Yoshida: No. Because we need the time to convert the data from the current version to the new version, we can’t have people keep playing because they will keep updating their data. That doesn’t mean we are not going to work hard to make sure the servers aren’t down for a long time. We know that the community is there and want to maintain that community.

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Read the bolded bits, during the Beta we WILL be using new characters and NOT our own, at least for the start of it.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

There will be downtime where the game won't be available at all (much longer than a server maintenance), but at no time will be be making special characters for a beta or anything. Why do people keep asking this and why do people keep stirring the rumor pot?

The game will be completely offline while the data is being migrated. You will be using your actual data 100% of the time you're playing the game. The free trial period for 2.0 testing is going to be with your regular characters.

Where are people getting this funny idea that there will be character deletions or that we will have to create special characters for testing? None of this has been said anywhere.

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GE: Speaking of Beta, will there be downtime between current game and 2.0?

Yoshida: What’s going to happen is that after the current version is finished and storyline over, the servers will go down and the 2.0 beta will start up. We want to make sure we don’t make the same mistake as before, and want to be sure we have enough time not only for the beta test but also to get feedback from the players and leave enough time to implement that feedback. Also, keep in mind that transferring the characters to the new servers and systems could take up to a month. So that process will be running while the beta test is in place. There can’t be a launch immediately after the current servers are shut down.

GE: So the beta test and current game will not be operating simultaneously?

Yoshida: No. Because we need the time to convert the data from the current version to the new version, we can’t have people keep playing because they will keep updating their data. That doesn’t mean we are not going to work hard to make sure the servers aren’t down for a long time. We know that the community is there and want to maintain that community.

GE: How much downtime do you expect between the end of the beta test and the launch 2.0?

Yoshida: It won’t be anything like the next day, but we hope to have it be as short as possible. We need enough time to make sure everything is right and start it smoothly.

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http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/2012/06...cks-and-rocks/

edit: nevermind

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

Lol I'll keep my finger crossed that I won't get into beta >.<

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I would honestly expect that all current players will "get into" the beta. Why would you not want to be a part of it, anyway?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Where are people getting this funny idea that there will be character deletions or that we will have to create special characters for testing? None of this has been said anywhere.

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Well, the assumption is that since they're transferring our characters in tandem with the "PC beta" month we'll have to use new characters for that period.

In order for us to use our current character in the PC beta, they'd have to have already transferred our data, thus defeating the purpose of doing them at the same time.

According to the roadmap, after the PC beta in October we move to the PS3 beta and PC free trial in November and beyond. We can assume that's when we'll see our characters in 2.0.

Here's some pertinent info on the topic from the Gamerescape E3 interview:

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GE: Speaking of Beta, will there be downtime between current game and 2.0?

Yoshida:* What’s going to happen is that after the current version is finished and storyline over, the servers will go down and the 2.0 beta will start up.* We want to make sure we don’t make the same mistake as before, and want to be sure we have enough time not only for the beta test but also to get feedback from the players and leave enough time to implement that feedback.* Also, keep in mind that transferring the characters to the new servers and systems could take up to a month.* So that process will be running while the beta test is in place.* There can’t be a launch immediately after the current servers are shut down.

GE: So the beta test and current game will not be operating simultaneously?
Yoshida:* No.* Because we need the time to convert the data from the current version to the new version, we can’t have people keep playing because they will keep updating their data.* That doesn’t mean we are not going to work hard to make sure the servers aren’t down for a long time.* We know that the community is there and want to maintain that community.

GE: How much downtime do you expect between the end of the beta test and the launch 2.0?

Yoshida:* It won’t be anything like the next day, but we hope to have it be as short as possible.* We need enough time to make sure everything is right and start it smoothly.

GE: Do you have any ideas yet on how will people get into beta?

Yoshida:* We decided not to tie it directly to the legacy campaign, but we want to prioritize getting the current players that are playing now into beta.

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This is my biggest question about the 2.0 release. It would be nice if we could get a dev. response to make things crystal clear. How will the transition from 1.23 to 2.0 release work exactly? What is the beta going to be exactly? Will it be a long headstart type of thing? Or will it just be us getting to mess around with 2.0 and help find bugs while they transfer our data over.

I'm inclined to believe that as soon as the data transfer is finished, we'll be back to using our original characters (and be able to recustomize them at that time)

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I'm inclined to believe that as soon as the data transfer is finished, we'll be back to using our original characters (and be able to recustomize them at that time)

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Sounds about right.