It's been fun, but I'm out

I'm stuck in The Lost City of Amdapor with 3 bots at the moment.

We can't finish diablos because the bots just don't open doors.

Sadly this has become the norm in grouping of FF14.

With the closing of the major storyline, the jankiness of the crystal engine, and the flood of bots that have become all too normal in the game...

I think it's just healthy to retire the game for good.

Peace out y'all

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Originally Posted by yaba_gabagool

I'm stuck in The Lost City of Amdapor with 3 bots at the moment.

We can't finish diablos because the bots just don't open doors.

Sadly this has become the norm in grouping of FF14.

With the closing of the major storyline, the jankiness of the crystal engine, and the flood of bots that have become all too normal in the game...

I think it's just healthy to retire the game for good.

Peace out y'all

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Use the in game bots. I think trusts are available for that. Could be wrong.

I got into Amdapor Keep with 3 bots once. It only happened once in years of playing and far beyond the 10k dungeon achievement...

Not that you need to mess with doors to finish that dungeon. You can heal and mit through it and just DPS it down. I do this and usually am bemused when someone does the door mechanic because it interrupts my rotation.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Use the in game bots. I think trusts are available for that.

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It's not an MSQ dungeon.

Are bots really that common? I've only been playing since like Stormblood, but I don't think I've come across anyone in queues that I'd think are a bot. Some kinda clueless new players, sure, but not bots. Unless they're way, way better than they were in wow

In all my 5 - 6 years playing this game I have never seen a bot in dungeons.

Wish I could say the same about catgirls in 2b leggins or chocobo/elephant head samurais.

One person alone can open both doors of a pair. Just do the first door early. If you leave it for later you can also just solo it unsynced and skip all the mechanics for all bosses.

I mean... you don't need anyone other than yourself to open those doors.

Not that it makes having bots better, but I'm a bit surprised such a simple mechanic stopped you.

Also, I've been playing for 10 years. I've never had this happen to me a single time. Not saying that it can't happen, but this is hardly the "norm".

Anyway.

I'd ask if I could have your stuff but if a dungeon like that has you stuck...you wouldn't really have anything.

wait....bots can queue up for dungeons?

Im being serious, in all my time running roulettes on an almost daily basis, I have never encountered such a thing

ARR+ doesn't even use Crystal Tools, really: it's a bespoke hammered together ship of Theseus made out of the bones of Crystal Tools, pre-pro Luminous Engine, and those unlucky programmers who got close enough to its core; glued together with thousands of hours of 'anything goes as long as it works' breakneck labor. It's janky because they're building the track under the train as it runs, not because of relics from 2010. (Mostly.)

I haven't seen bots in dungeons either.

Out in the world yes I see them but not in dungeons.

Most likely noobs than bots tbh. Or people on consoles who can't chat.

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Originally Posted by tsuchii

Most likely noobs than bots tbh. Or people on consoles who can't chat.

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you can still chat on console. I do it all the time. Just veeeery slowly lol

I have seen Blizzard 1 spam bots back in the day, but none recently and I run roulettes daily.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

you can still chat on console. I do it all the time. Just veeeery slowly lol

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I imagine some people don't chat at all, given that. Personally can't imagine not having a keyboard alongside the controller. Tbh this is the first I've heard of bots, but I also assume FFXIV players can be pretty lacking. Would explain some of the weird radio silences, though.

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Originally Posted by Sindele

ARR+ doesn't even use Crystal Tools, really: it's a bespoke hammered together ship of Theseus made out of the bones of Crystal Tools, pre-pro Luminous Engine, and those unlucky programmers who got close enough to its core; glued together with thousands of hours of 'anything goes as long as it works' breakneck labor. It's janky because they're building the track under the train as it runs, not because of relics from 2010. (Mostly.)

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Is there anywhere you can read more about this? Was always curious what happened to Crystal and what succeeded it.

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Is there anywhere you can read more about this? Was always curious what happened to Crystal and what succeeded it.

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Try wikipedia

"Though members of the Final Fantasy XIV development team worked on Luminous, Yoshida admitted that both Luminous and Crystal Tools were optimized for offline games and could not handle an online environment with hundreds of on-screen character models.[40] Though Version 2.0 uses a "completely different engine", he called the Luminous engine and the 2.0 engine "siblings" due to similarities in their structure."

It was also hinted in a more recent tech demo that FF16 is based on the FF14 engine. SE just limits it and does all this stuff on purpose, or occasionally because the original programmer left and didn't comment their code well.

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Are bots really that common? I've only been playing since like Stormblood, but I don't think I've come across anyone in queues that I'd think are a bot. Some kinda clueless new players, sure, but not bots. Unless they're way, way better than they were in wow

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The difference is that the game is heavily scripted, there has been videos of bots clearing savage, and for open world the bots are all noclipped into the ground. Basically the game has an even bigger bot problem than WoW but people dont care.

9 years playing, never seen a bot in dungeon....how is it common?

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9 years playing, never seen a bot in dungeon....how is it common?

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Its not, this is honestly the first time Ive ever heard about that and Ive been around my fair share of FFXIV community feedback outlets.

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Its not, this is honestly the first time Ive ever heard about that and Ive been around my fair share of FFXIV community feedback outlets.

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Ive had a small handful of Bots.....3 Dungeons I think lol.
The last one was in a SB Dungeon. Me and 2 people noticed the other DPS ignoring mechanics. And when we tried to help them and tell them what to do, they just blindly ran back in and did a typical 1-2-3 Combo, no buffs, no avoiding AOEs.
And they would return, not even wait for a rez, then run ALL THE WAY from the start, to the boss, and just run in again without waiting for us.

It was, bizarre and amusing.
After we realized it, we all bailed. Agreeing we wernt gonna give a bot a Clear.

I did a guildhest once with 3 other bots. They were all identical male lalafell with similar names. They crowded around me right at the start (I was the tank) and didn’t move unless I did, following the slightest movement exactly. I quit immediately, did not want to be a part of that LOL.

I also did a leveling roulette with some FC members where we filled on one spot and we were quite sure it was a bot. It was the level 41 dungeon iirc. Can’t really explain in detail as it was a while ago but we all felt something was off the way they just ran around erratically and ignored mechanics. It didn’t feel like a new player or someone not typing, it was odd.

I got into a World of Darkness run with an entire alliance of bots once. We ended up having to vote abandon because we couldn't clear the Atmos trash when the bot alliance didn't even know how to go to their platform.

It's definitely not a common occurrence, but the fact that it occurs at all bugs me regardless.

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we couldn't clear the Atmos trash when the bot alliance didn't even know how to go to their platform.

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That sounds Miserable AF.
And a Giant Waste of Time.

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9 years playing, never seen a bot in dungeon....how is it common?

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You probably dont notice cause the content is so easy that 2 people can clear it by themselves.

Bye bye clown

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Originally Posted by DayHealer

In all my 5 - 6 years playing this game I have never seen a bot in dungeons.

Wish I could say the same about catgirls in 2b leggins or chocobo/elephant head samurais.

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I've only ever ran into two bots.

And can't blame the catgirls for the 2B legging over usage. If the devs would just make the 2B leggings the default lower body shape for all female characters races then they wouldn't wear them as much. Probably something skimpier, lmao!

Bye OP. However I'm keeping all the fish... >.>

If your char and world are accurate, it's definitely not the norm on Aether. I can count on one hand the number of people I thought might be a bot in instances (and a few who later talked who were on controller) in 9 years of playing on that DC.

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wait....bots can queue up for dungeons?

Im being serious, in all my time running roulettes on an almost daily basis, I have never encountered such a thing

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I once played on an alt and while leveling it through some early game dungeons, I got into one of the starter dungeons with 2 people who both had similar gibberish names with light variations at the end. One was a healer and one was a tank. They both moved around in a circle and then immediately left while the other dps and I just scratched our heads, waited a few minutes for it to find replacements, and ultimately disbanded when the system couldn't find anyone. It was the first and only time I've seen that happen. I think maybe he was a dummy who queued in with a group when he meant to queue alone lmao

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

I once played on an alt and while leveling it through some early game dungeons, I got into one of the starter dungeons with 2 people who both had similar gibberish names with light variations at the end. One was a healer and one was a tank. They both moved around in a circle and then immediately left while the other dps and I just scratched our heads, waited a few minutes for it to find replacements, and ultimately disbanded when the system couldn't find anyone. It was the first and only time I've seen that happen. I think maybe he was a dummy who queued in with a group when he meant to queue alone lmao

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That's quite possible. Most bots queue in solo into instances so that they can get a carry.

That said, since Lost City is not an MSQ required dungeon, it makes no sense that a bot would queue up for it. They are usually grinding through MSQ to unlock later profitable zones, or to sell a fully leveled 90 account on the black market. Unrequired side content is just wasted time for either of those tasks.

They used to spam the old Amdapor Keep for some reason (to the point where they actually clogged up Duty Finder spamming it; I think because they could clear the first room in under 5 minutes back when the trash mobs gave exp and gil.)

It's almost more likely that OP just had an instance full of newbies or scrubs than bots.

I have only ever seen 1 bot in duty content and it was a party finder for an EX trial in Endwalker. The bot would chase the closest player to them to try and dodge mechanics. They wouldn't answer and looking on fflogs their rotation was perfect.

Just power through DPS wise...