Making notes from personal thoughts and various suggestions in forums on what redesign changes would stay true to the spirit of Dark Knight while keeping the rhythm and flow in line. Changes based on previous iteration as of Patch 6.4. It's always nice to dream.
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Foundation Adjustments. Listing skills and changes based on order they appear in Actions and Traits Compact View.
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Weaponskill Actions and Traits Adjustments
Under review. Heals seen at 100 potency = 2.11% of self HP.
[Action][Weaponskill] Hard Slash (Lv. 1) [Range: 3y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Delivers an attack with a potency of 160.
[Action][Weaponskill] Syphon Strike (Lv. 2) [Range: 3y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Delivers an attack with a potency of 100.
Combo Action: Hard Slash
Combo Potency: 260
Combo Bonus: Restores MP (600)
[Action][Weaponskill] Souleater (Lv. 26) [Range: 3y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Delivers an attack with a potency of 100.
Combo Action: Syphon Strike
Combo Potency: 360
Combo Bonus: Restores own HP
Cure Potency: 300
Combo Bonus: Increases Blood Gauge by 30
[Action][Weaponskill] Scourge (Lv. 38) [Range: 3y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Delivers an attack with a potency of 260.
Additional Effect: Reduces Blood Veil duration by 10s
This weaponskill does not share a recast with other actions.
Can only be executed while under the effect of Blood Veil.
(Concept B)
[Action][Weaponskill] Scourge (Lv. 38) [Range: 3y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Delivers an attack with a potency of 260.
Additional Effect: Restores own HP
Cure Potency: 500
Additional Effect: Reduces Blood Veil duration by 10s
This weaponskill does not share a recast with other actions.
Can only be executed while under the effect of Blood Veil.
[Trait] Blackblood (Lv. 62)
Allows for Blood Gauge accumulation upon the landing of certain actions.
[Action][Weaponskill] Bloodspiller (Lv. 62) [Range: 3y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Delivers an attack with a potency of 540.
Blood Gauge Cost: 20
Can only be executed while under the effect of Delirium or Dark Delirium.
[Action][Weaponskill] Quietus (Lv. 64) [Range: 0y][Radius: 5y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Delivers an attack with a potency of 270 to all nearby enemies.
Blood Gauge Cost: 20
Can only be executed while under the effect of Delirium or Dark Delirium.
[Trait] Enhanced Blackblood (Lv. 66)
Allows for Blood Gauge accumulation upon the landing of any weaponskill or spell while under the effect of Blood Weapon.
[Action][Weaponskill] Power Slash (Lv. 68) [Range: 3y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Delivers an attack with a potency of 540.
*This action cannot be assigned to a hotbar.
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Spell Actions and Traits Adjustments
Under review.
[Action][Spell] Unleash (Lv. 6) [Range: 0y][Radius: 5y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 100 to all nearby enemies.
[Action][Spell] Unmend (Lv. 15) [Range: 20y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 150.
Additional Effect: Increased enmity
[Action][Spell] Flood of Darkness (Lv. 30) [Range: 10y][Radius: 10y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s][MP: 3000]
Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 180 to all enemies in a straight line before you.
Combo Action: Stalwart Soul
Combo Potency: 225
Combo Bonus: Restores own HP
Cure Potency: 400
[Action][Spell] Stalwart Soul (Lv. 40) [Range: 0y][Radius: 5y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 100 to all nearby enemies.
Combo Action: Unleash
Combo Potency: 165
Combo Bonus: Restores MP (600)
Combo Bonus: Increases Blood Gauge by 20
[Action][Spell] Edge of Darkness (Lv. 40) [Range: 3y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s][MP: 3000]
Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 360.
Combo Action: Souleater
Combo Bonus: Restores own HP
Cure Potency: 400
[Action][Spell] Abyssal Drain (Lv. 56) [Range: 20y][Radius: 5y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 225 to target and all enemies nearby it.
Additional Effect: Restores own HP
Cure Potency: 200
Additional Effect: Restores MP (600)
*This action cannot be assigned to a hotbar.
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Ability Actions and Traits Adjustments
Under review.
[Action][Ability] Darkside (Lv. 30) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 60s][MP: 3000]
Grants Darkside to self.
Darkside Effect: Increases damage dealt by 30% and unlocks various dark arts
Duration: 30s
[Action][Ability] Blood Weapon (Lv. 35) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 60s]
Grants 5 stacks of Blood Weapon, each stack increasing Blood Gauge by 10 and restoring HP and MP (600) upon landing weaponskills or spells.
Cure Potency: 300
Duration: 15s
Effect does not stack when hitting multiple targets with a single attack.
[Action][Ability] Blood Price (Lv. 35) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 5s]
Converts 30% of your maximum HP to grant 1 stack of Blood Veil to self and restore 30% of your maximum MP.
Blood Veil Effect: Creates a barrier around self that absorbs damage totaling 30% of your maximum HP and when barrier is fully depleted or duration reaches 0, consumes 1 stack unless depleted to reset duration to 30s
Duration: 30s
Maximum stacks of Blood Veil: 1
Cannot be executed when below 30% of your maximum HP.
Each stack of Blood Veil will be treated as 30% of your maximum HP towards effects and HP checks.
(Concept B)
[Action][Ability] Blood Price (Lv. 35) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 5s]
Converts 30% of your maximum HP to grant 1 stack of Blood Veil to self and restore 30% of your maximum MP and increases Blood Gauge by 50.
Blood Veil Effect: Creates a barrier around self that absorbs damage totaling 30% of your maximum HP and when barrier is fully depleted or duration reaches 0, consumes 1 stack unless depleted to reset duration to 30s
Duration: 30s
Maximum stacks of Blood Veil: 2
Cannot be executed when below 30% of your maximum HP.
Each stack of Blood Veil will be treated as 30% of your maximum HP towards effects and HP checks.
Cannot be executed while under the effect of Blood Veil with maximum stacks.
Can only be executed while in combat.
[Action][Ability] Shadow Wall (Lv. 38) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 120s]
Reduces damage taken by 30%.
[Action][Ability] Dark Mind (Lv. 45) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 60s]
Reduces magic vulnerability by 20%.
Duration: 10s
*Action changes to Shadowskin while under the effect of Delirium or Dark Delirium.
[Action][Ability] Living Dead (Lv. 50) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 300s]
Grants the effect of Living Dead.
When HP is reduced to 0 while under the effect of Living Dead, instead of becoming KO'd, your status will change to Walking Dead.
Living Dead Duration: 10s
Additional Effect: Restores HP with each weaponskill successfully delivered or spell cast
Cure Potency: 1500
While under the effect of Walking Dead, most attacks will not lower your HP below 1. If, before the Walking Dead timer runs out, an amount of HP totaling your maximum HP is restored, the effect will change to Undead Rebirth. If this amount is not restored, your will be KO'd.
Walking Dead Duration: 10s
While under the effect of Undead Rebirth, most attacks will not lower your HP below 1.
Undead Rebirth Duration: Time remaining on Walking Dead
[Action][Ability] Salted Earth (Lv. 52) [Range: 0y][Radius: 5y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 90s]
Creates a patch of salted earth at your feet, dealing unaspected damage with a potency of 50 to any enemies who enter.
Duration: 15s
[Action][Ability] Plunge (Lv. 54) [Range: 20y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 30s]
Jumps to target.
Additional Effect: Restores own HP
Cure Potency: 300
Additional Effect: Restores MP (600)
Cannot be executed while bound.
[Action][Ability] Dark Arts (Lv. 56) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2s]
Unleashes various dark arts.
Combo Action: Flood of Shadow
Combo Bonus: Dark Arts changes to Abyssal Drain
Combo Action: Scourge
Combo Bonus: Dark Arts changes to Power Slash
(Concept B)
[Action][Ability] Dark Arts (Lv. 56) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2s][Charge Time: 15s]
Unleashes various dark arts.
Combo Action: Flood of Shadow
Combo Bonus: Dark Arts changes to Abyssal Drain
Combo Action: Scourge
Combo Bonus: Dark Arts changes to Power Slash
Maximum Charges: 1 + stacks of Blood Veil
[Action][Ability] Carve and Spit (Lv. 60) [Range: 3y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 30s]
Delivers a threefold attack with a potency of 540.
Additional Effect: Restores own HP
Cure Potency: 300
Additional Effect: Restores MP (600)
[Action][Ability] Delirium (Lv. 68) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 60s]
Grants Delirium to self. When under the effect of Darkside and Delirium, both effects combine to grant Dark Delirium to self.
Delirium Effect: Increases damage dealt by 10%
Duration: 30s
Dark Delirium Effect: Increases damage dealt by 20% and unlocks various dark arts and when duration ends, grants either Darkside or Delirium based on secondary effect cast on self prior to Dark Delirium
Duration: Remaining duration of primary effect cast on self prior to Dark Delirium
Darkside Effect: Increases damage dealt by 30% and unlocks various dark arts
Duration: 30s
(Concept B)
[Action][Ability] Delirium (Lv. 68) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 60s]
Grants Delirium to self. When under the effect of Darkside and Delirium, both effects combine to grant Dark Delirium to self.
Delirium Effect: Increases damage dealt by 20%
Duration: 30s
Dark Delirium Effect: Increases damage dealt by 20% and unlocks various dark arts and when duration ends, grants either Darkside or Delirium based on secondary effect cast on self prior to Dark Delirium
Duration: Remaining duration of primary effect cast on self prior to Dark Delirium
Darkside Effect: Increases damage dealt by 30% and unlocks various dark arts
Duration: 30s
Blood Gauge Cost: 50
[Action][Ability] Shadowskin (Lv. 68) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 60s]
Reduces physical and magic vulnerability by 20%.
Duration: 10s
Shares a recast timer with Dark Mind.
*This action cannot be assigned to a hotbar.
[Action][Ability] The Blackest Night (Lv. 70) [Range: 30y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 15s][MP: 3000]
Creates a barrier around self or target party member that absorbs damage totaling 25% of target's maximum HP. When barrier is completely absorbed, reduces recast timer of Blood Weapon by 30s or when duration expires, reduces recast timer of Blood Weapon by 15s.
Duration: 7s
[Action][Ability] Oblation (Lv. 82) [Range: 30y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Charge Time: 60s]
Reduces damage taken by target party member or self by 10%.
Duration: 10s
Additional Effect: Reduces Blood Veil duration by 15s to increase damage reduction by an additional 15% if Blood Veil is active
Maximum Charges: 2
[Action][Ability] Blood Arts (Lv. ??) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Executes a weaponskill based on available Blood Gauge.
20 Blood Gauge: Bloodspiller (540 Potency)
30 Blood Gauge: ??? (720 Potency)
40 Blood Gauge: ??? (900 Potency)
50 Blood Gauge: ??? (1080 Potency)
60 Blood Gauge: ??? (1260 Potency)
70 Blood Gauge: ??? (1440 Potency)
80 Blood Gauge: ??? (1620 Potency)
90 Blood Gauge: ??? (1800 Potency)
100 Blood Gauge: ??? (1980 Potency)
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Potency Formulas
Syphon Strike [Combo Potency] = (Hard Slash [Base Potency] + Syphon Strike [Combo Potency] + Souleater [Combo Potency]) / 3
*Ratio for Hard Slash and Souleater will be balanced to even split.
Scourge [Base Potency] = Syphon Strike [Combo Potency]
Scourge [Cure Potency] = Scourge [Blood Veil Duration Cost] x 50 = Blood Veil [Durability] / ([Blood Veil [Duration] / Scourge [Blood Veil Duration Cost])
Blood Arts [Base Potency] = Blood Arts [Bonus Potency] = Souleater [Combo Potency] / 2
Blood Arts Weaponskill [Base Potency] = Blood Arts [Base Potency] + ((Blood Arts Gauge Cost / 10) x Blood Arts [Bonus Potency])
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Level 50 Sync Action New Revisions
[Action][Weaponskill] Hard Slash (Lv. 1) [Range: 3y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Delivers an attack with a potency of 160.
[Action][Weaponskill] Syphon Strike (Lv. 2) [Range: 3y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Delivers an attack with a potency of 100.
Combo Action: Hard Slash
Combo Potency: 260
Combo Bonus: Restores MP (600)
[Action][Spell] Unleash (Lv. 6) [Range: 0y][Radius: 5y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 100 to all nearby enemies.
[Action][Spell] Unmend (Lv. 15) [Range: 20y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 150.
Additional Effect: Increased enmity
[Action][Weaponskill] Souleater (Lv. 26) [Range: 3y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Delivers an attack with a potency of 100.
Combo Action: Syphon Strike
Combo Potency: 360
Combo Bonus: Restores own HP
Cure Potency: 300
[Action][Ability] Darkside (Lv. 30) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 60s][MP: 3000]
Grants Darkside to self.
Darkside Effect: Increases damage dealt by 30% and unlocks various dark arts
Duration: 30s
[Action][Spell] Flood of Darkness (Lv. 30) [Range: 10y][Radius: 10y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s][MP: 3000]
Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 180 to all enemies in a straight line before you.
Combo Action: Stalwart Soul
Combo Potency: 225
Combo Bonus: Restores own HP
Cure Potency: 400
[Action][Ability] Blood Weapon (Lv. 35) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 60s]
Grants 5 stacks of Blood Weapon, each stack restoring HP and MP (600) upon landing weaponskills or spells.
Cure Potency: 300
Duration: 15s
Effect does not stack when hitting multiple targets with a single attack.
[Action][Ability] Blood Price (Lv. 35) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 5s]
Converts 30% of your maximum HP to grant 1 stack of Blood Veil to self and restore 30% of your maximum MP.
Blood Veil Effect: Creates a barrier around self that absorbs damage totaling 30% of your maximum HP and when barrier is fully depleted or duration reaches 0, consumes 1 stack unless depleted to reset duration to 30s
Duration: 30s
Maximum stacks of Blood Veil: 1
Cannot be executed when below 30% of your maximum HP.
Each stack of Blood Veil will be treated as 30% of your maximum HP towards effects and HP checks.
[Action][Ability] Shadow Wall (Lv. 38) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 120s]
Reduces damage taken by 30%.
[Action][Weaponskill] Scourge (Lv. 38) [Range: 3y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Delivers an attack with a potency of 260.
Additional Effect: Reduces Blood Veil duration by 10s
This weaponskill does not share a recast with other actions.
Can only be executed while under the effect of Blood Veil.
[Action][Spell] Stalwart Soul (Lv. 40) [Range: 0y][Radius: 5y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 100 to all nearby enemies.
Combo Action: Unleash
Combo Potency: 165
Combo Bonus: Restores MP (600)
[Action][Spell] Edge of Darkness (Lv. 40) [Range: 3y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s][MP: 3000]
Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 360.
Combo Action: Souleater
Combo Bonus: Restores own HP
Cure Potency: 400
[Action][Ability] Dark Mind (Lv. 45) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 60s]
Reduces magic vulnerability by 20%.
Duration: 10s
[Action][Ability] Living Dead (Lv. 50) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 300s]
Grants the effect of Living Dead.
When HP is reduced to 0 while under the effect of Living Dead, instead of becoming KO'd, your status will change to Walking Dead.
Living Dead Duration: 10s
Additional Effect: Restores HP with each weaponskill successfully delivered or spell cast
Cure Potency: 1500
While under the effect of Walking Dead, most attacks will not lower your HP below 1. If, before the Walking Dead timer runs out, an amount of HP totaling your maximum HP is restored, the effect will change to Undead Rebirth. If this amount is not restored, your will be KO'd.
Walking Dead Duration: 10s
While under the effect of Undead Rebirth, most attacks will not lower your HP below 1.
Undead Rebirth Duration: Time remaining on Walking Dead
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Level 60 Sync Action New Revisions
[Action][Ability] Salted Earth (Lv. 52) [Range: 0y][Radius: 5y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 90s]
Creates a patch of salted earth at your feet, dealing unaspected damage with a potency of 50 to any enemies who enter.
Duration: 15s
[Action][Ability] Plunge (Lv. 54) [Range: 20y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 30s]
Jumps to target.
Additional Effect: Restores own HP
Cure Potency: 300
Additional Effect: Restores MP (600)
Cannot be executed while bound.
[Action][Ability] Dark Arts (Lv. 56) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2s]
Unleashes various dark arts.
Combo Action: Flood of Shadow
Combo Bonus: Dark Arts changes to Abyssal Drain
[Action][Spell] Abyssal Drain (Lv. 56) [Range: 20y][Radius: 5y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 225 to target and all enemies nearby it.
Additional Effect: Restores own HP
Cure Potency: 200
Additional Effect: Restores MP (600)
*This action cannot be assigned to a hotbar.
[Action][Ability] Carve and Spit (Lv. 60) [Range: 3y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 30s]
Delivers a threefold attack with a potency of 540.
Additional Effect: Restores own HP
Cure Potency: 300
Additional Effect: Restores MP (600)
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Level 70 Sync Action New Revisions
[Action][Weaponskill] Souleater (Lv. 26) [Range: 3y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Delivers an attack with a potency of 100.
Combo Action: Syphon Strike
Combo Potency: 360
Combo Bonus: Restores own HP
Cure Potency: 300
Combo Bonus: Increases Blood Gauge by 20
[Action][Ability] Blood Weapon (Lv. 35) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 60s]
Grants 5 stacks of Blood Weapon, each stack increasing Blood Gauge by 10 and restoring HP and MP (600) upon landing weaponskills or spells.
Cure Potency: 300
Duration: 15s
Effect does not stack when hitting multiple targets with a single attack.
[Action][Spell] Stalwart Soul (Lv. 40) [Range: 0y][Radius: 5y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 100 to all nearby enemies.
Combo Action: Unleash
Combo Potency: 165
Combo Bonus: Restores MP (600)
Combo Bonus: Increases Blood Gauge by 20
[Action][Ability] Dark Mind (Lv. 45) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 60s]
Reduces magic vulnerability by 20%.
Duration: 10s
Shares a recast timer with Shadowskin.
*Action changes to Shadowskin while under the effect of Delirium or Dark Delirium.
[Action][Ability] Dark Arts (Lv. 56) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2s]
Unleashes various dark arts.
Combo Action: Flood of Shadow
Combo Bonus: Dark Arts changes to Abyssal Drain
Combo Action: Scourge
Combo Bonus: Dark Arts changes to Power Slash
[Trait] Blackblood (Lv. 62)
Allows for Blood Gauge accumulation upon the landing of certain actions.
[Action][Weaponskill] Bloodspiller (Lv. 62) [Range: 3y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Delivers an attack with a potency of 540.
Blood Gauge Cost: 50
Can only be executed while under the effect of Delirium or Dark Delirium.
[Action][Weaponskill] Quietus (Lv. 64) [Range: 0y][Radius: 5y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Delivers an attack with a potency of 270 to all nearby enemies.
Blood Gauge Cost: 50
Can only be executed while under the effect of Delirium or Dark Delirium.
[Trait] Enhanced Blackblood (Lv. 66)
Allows for Blood Gauge accumulation upon the landing of any weaponskill or spell while under the effect of Blood Weapon.
[Action][Ability] Delirium (Lv. 68) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 60s]
Grants Delirium to self. When under the effect of Darkside and Delirium, both effects combine to grant Dark Delirium to self.
Delirium Effect: Increases damage dealt by 10%
Duration: 30s
Dark Delirium Effect: Increases damage dealt by 20% and unlocks various dark arts and when duration ends, grants either Darkside or Delirium based on secondary effect cast on self prior to Dark Delirium
Duration: Remaining duration of primary effect cast on self prior to Dark Delirium
Darkside Effect: Increases damage dealt by 30% and unlocks various dark arts
Duration: 30s
[Action][Weaponskill] Power Slash (Lv. 68) [Range: 3y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 2.5s]
Delivers an attack with a potency of 540.
*This action cannot be assigned to a hotbar.
[Action][Ability] Shadowskin (Lv. 68) [Range: 0y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 60s]
Reduces physical and magic vulnerability by 20%.
Duration: 10s
Shares a recast timer with Dark Mind.
*This action cannot be assigned to a hotbar.
[Action][Ability] The Blackest Night (Lv. 70) [Range: 30y][Radius: 0y][Cast: Instant][Recast: 15s][MP: 3000]
Creates a barrier around self or target party member that absorbs damage totaling 25% of target's maximum HP. When barrier is completely absorbed, reduces recast timer of Blood Weapon by 30s or when duration expires, reduces recast timer of Blood Weapon by 15s.
Duration: 7s
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[Suggestion][Personal Notes] My Ideal Dark Knight
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06-20-2023, 11:09 AMKemeko[Suggestion][Personal Notes] My Ideal Dark Knight
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06-20-2023, 07:53 PMMithron
I want Scourge back.
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06-20-2023, 08:24 PMZairava
They could literally just give us Heavensward or Stormblood DRK back to the letter and I would be the happiest DRK main alive
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06-20-2023, 11:12 PMMithronNo I still have permanent finger damage from SB Dark Arts spam, HW DRK would be best. SB DRK was worst DRK IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by Zairava
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06-20-2023, 11:28 PMReinhardt_AzureheimA mix between both would be better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithron
HW DRK came with a superior Blood Price and a secondary damage combo that got used when not using Dark Arts. It also had DoT management in Scourge.
The downside is what I consider the Parry engine hard enforcing DRK to MT and being unreliable in fights with no physical attacks. Thats what TBN sort of fixed as a defensive with a retaliation effect.
SB DRK gave us the Blood system which played hand in hand with MP management (TBN, Delirium, Blood weapon/price generating both), apparently a superior Blood Weapon (if I read the version history right, it only gave 10% attack speed which I think is autoattacks...?), extension of Bloodweapon/Price every 2nd use and a few Dark Arts effect changes. MP management was also less in hands of serverticks if it drained MP and more your own job.
The downside here was crippling Blood Price and a few nasty additions such as DA Syphon Strike. The frequency of DA was only as much of an issue as the MP cost of it. Had there been an equal increase in potency and MP cost, it would keep damage the same and lowetlr DA frequency. The problem here is that Bloodspiller potency would need to get buffed if TBN cost rose equally or MP management would be a bit funkier by remembering multiple MP thresholds. -
06-21-2023, 01:10 AMMekhana
I'd like multiple charges to Abyssal Drain and a separate CD from C&S. I don't care about potency, just keep the heal. I miss it from HW days.
C&S should grant a long duration hot. That way odds are when you take damage its still ticking.
I'd like our old mutual friend, Fray, to be active all the time. Give him more moves even for flair only. Living Shadow should power him up to do what he does atm. People keep asking for a Beastmaster tank but a tank with pets only takes away more identity from drk than we have already lost.
Salted Earth should apply a dot debuff on targets that get inside rather than directly. Fart Bubbles should apply damage to everything with the dot.
Better animations and cooler effects. DRK is the only job that looks less cool after each expansion. Replace unpopular ones with old favorites and retouch them but its no excuse to be lazy and not come up with something new and good.
I'd like a third aoe combo finisher and a fourth single target finish. To line up better, make it available with Delirium or Living Shadow. They can share CD idc.
There's more stuff but its for all tanks like fix/remove tenacity, make busters only do one type of damage, gap closers should only do token dmg but also give as much as threat like unmend/lob/toma. Give role actions job identity and visuals (shadow skin please). -
06-21-2023, 05:25 AMSazuzakiThey should just make it a GCD again. 3000 mp cost, only use it when you need to heal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekhana
They more they do with DRK, the more I don't understand what DRK is supposed to be. Mitigation tank? DPS tank? like wtf is going on anymore lol -
06-21-2023, 05:49 AMZairavaThe ideal would be pretty much what Reinhardt mentioned. A mix between Heavensward and Stormblood Dark Knight with modern QoL so that our dps isn't lower when not main tanking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithron
Secondary damage combo, Scourge from Heavensward
Stormblood DRK for the MP management, just tone down the Dark Arts usage. -
06-21-2023, 07:57 AMMekhanaI do miss hoarding all my MP for those abyssal drain spam trash pulls but with the way TBN, Edge and Flood are right now that's not going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sazuzaki
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06-21-2023, 09:00 AMSazuzakiTrue. I really wonder what the design process is for jobs like DRK, SCH, etc. Are they just trying to make them functional?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekhana
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06-21-2023, 09:03 AMSazuzakiCompared to some of the other ideas I've seen for DRK spending HP for mana, this actually seems well thought out. The barrier you get prevents you from literally killing yourself, and there's a way to force Blood Veil to be shorter when not MTing. Seems you'd be using Scourge regardless if you're MT or not. Only problem would be whether it would break faster when you're MT, since that would affect Scourge usage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kemeko
Edit: Didn't read the recast time for Blood Price. Def make adjustments to that to avoid what the person below me said. -
06-22-2023, 02:42 AMMikey_RI imagine it is a typo, but there is currently nothing stopping you from spamming Scourge as your highest Potency per GCD. The reason I say this is because no GCD has the description of 'Doesn't share a recast timer...' unless it's recast timer is a multiple of the GCD, that is not the GCD itself. 2.5 recast is the GCD, so it is a redundant statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kemeko
I also suspect the intent would be for it to only be accessible whilst you have Blood Veil, which also comes with a can of worms. With a 5 second cooldown on Blood Price, you basically have an infinite amount of Blood Veil's at your disposal (HP? That's the healer's job to manage, and don't pretend that isn't what this will boil down to. Pretty sure most know I am generally against using HP as a resource, so I won't go into it here). Since you aren't using MP except for Darkside (which, BTW, is stupidly strong in it's current iteration of 30% extra damage for 30 seconds), it means it isn't a resource you have to worry about.
I could go more into what I personally think, however, I suspect alot of that will be alleviated once the tooltip for Scourge has been fixed to better reflect what was most likely to be intended. -
06-22-2023, 06:13 AMSazuzakiI think as long as we have sufficient tools to replenish said HP, and our HP spending skills aren't spammable, it could work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey_R
If Blood Price had a CD to align itself with Blood Weapon (which restores both HP and MP in this case), that would be pretty fun to do. I would say a problem that could arise would be if our burst aligns with a tank buster/auto-attacks, but the 30% shield has us covered. -
06-24-2023, 01:34 AMForsakenRoeSaying 'on the GCD, does not share recast timer with other actions, 2.5s recast' is not completely new per se, to my knowledge it's happened exactly once in the past. When Empyreal Arrow was added in HW, it had this exact set of conditionals. A weaponskill, that worked like an OGCD Ability. The only reason it was different, and made like that, was so Barrage would affect it (it being the BRD's highest hitting skill at the time)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey_R
So yeh, this would make Scourge function as an OGCD, albeit one that can proc 'on-GCD-hit effects' like Blood Weapon's MP restore
And yeh, having the recast on Blood Price be that low turns it into 'force the healer to constantly heal me, while I dump all my HP into spamming the funny OGCD-GCD skill'. And because a certain site is a very silly site, all of the 'chadding' bonus damage the DRK would get would be attributed to the DRK, not the healer providing the resources for them to keep doing it (unless formula changes were implemented to calculate this stuff)
Personally I think spending MP is a good compromise to keep the aesthetic. Spending HP in any form just opens up the chance for someone to kill themselves with a badly timed skill usage. I know it says 'applies a shield' but there's those White Hole type moves where if you're not 100% HP, then it's bad news, and the shield won't help you there -
06-24-2023, 02:55 AMMikey_RThe thing is, FFXIV, in one of the expansions, changed everything to follow a simple guide so that you can tell exactly what something is meant to do (I believe this was in Stormblood).Quote:
Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe
All weapon skills deal physical damage (if the do do damage) and are on the GCD, all spells deal magical damage and are on the GCD and (most) abilities are oGCD. The exceptions to this are Ninja's Mudras and Ninjutsu, Monk's anatman and Machinist's Flamethrower, all of them being abilities. I suspect this is from a time when they were all oGCD and they were just never updated and, to further solidify this, all of Dancer's Steps are classed as weapon skills and not abilities. It is also worth noting that it isn't because Ninjutsu changes that is is classed as an ability either. Astral Flow is classed as a Spell, however, when it changes to Deathflare/Rekindle/Mountain Buster, they are all classed as abilities, since they are oGCD.
So, with how it has been laid out, Scourge will be a GCD that has a 2.5 second recast time, just like every other GCD.
Also, on a separate side note, it is a bit annoying how this poster seems to want to get their thoughts together. Rather than making a separate document, editing the post there and then posting it here, they seem to be copying all the actions as they are currently for the level range they are working on and then updating it to their proposed changes at a later time, which makes it very hard to know what to comment on. Was it intended to be the same? Is it going to change down the road? Who knows. -
06-24-2023, 03:15 AMSazuzakiYou made a really good point there, can't have HP spending skills without the jank to come with it; a bit like GNB's Continuation which is bad for a tank but still really fun to do correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe
But as I've said before, as long as we have a way replenish the HP we spend quickly and efficiently (eg. Blood Weapon, Abyssal Drain, etc), a way to cover our lost HP (the shield), and we absolutely can't spam our HP spending abilities, I still think it could work. White Hole mechanics would be a problem, but it's not like there wouldn't be ways to avoid that.
Should probably also clarify I'm well aware that they would never add HP mechanics to Dark Knight. I just enjoy thinking about what it could be like/how it could work.