Pandaemonium's Current Whereabouts (Anabaseious Spoilers)

So the memory sealed Erichthonios reveals that pandaemonium survived the final days of the ancients and he was expecting to have to maintain it the entire time throughout the ages. The one we found in the aetherial sea wasn't the original, but a replica created by transmuting portions of Azys La around.

That begs the question. Where the heck is it? Did the sheer age of it mean everything inside of it like the phoenix die off? If not, are they still waiting there, hidden somewhere out there in the world?

If the catastrophes of the intervening ages lead to its destruction on the source as so many other ancient ruins what of the other reflections? We can assume that it was destroyed in the flood of light of the first, but what about others?

I see no reason it wouldn't be just as 'smashed into nothingness by Calamities' as everything else the Ancients made. Which means, yeah, theoretically it could still be standing on the other reflections, except for probably the First as you've mentioned.

Honestly, knowing that Pandaemonium is basically a high-security prison, I'd assume that wherever it (and by extension Elpis) was built, it was a pretty significant distance away from Amaurot. THat could still plausibly put it somewhere on Eorzea, but I think it's more likely it's just at the bottom of an ocean somewhere.

Incidentally: I hope Azys Lla got those pieces back. It doesn't deserve that kinda treatment!

Got the impression that what we found in the sea was the pandaemonium of eld.

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

Got the impression that what we found in the sea was the pandaemonium of eld.

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Nope, was outright confirmed that Athena ripped out a chunk of Azys Lla (specifically the Aetherochemical Research Facility, a.k.a. where Lahabrea died), transformed it into Pandaemonium, and slammed it down into the Aetherial Sea.

You could make an argument that she picked the Aitiascope because that was near where Pandaemonium was, though--narratively it's there because it's the part of the Aetherial Sea we have easy access to, but Athena doesn't have any stated reason she slapped it down in that part of the Aetherial Sea, so that reason's as good as any.

But then Azys Lla is a miss-mash of various different regions. So there is the possibility that the Allagans crammed whatever was left of pandaemonium (unbeknownst of it's significance) into the floating mess. Only for Athena to use it for it's recreation.

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Originally Posted by shadowclasper

So the memory sealed Erichthonios reveals that pandaemonium survived the final days of the ancients and he was expecting to have to maintain it the entire time throughout the ages. The one we found in the aetherial sea wasn't the original, but a replica created by transmuting portions of Azys La around.

That begs the question. Where the heck is it? Did the sheer age of it mean everything inside of it like the phoenix die off? If not, are they still waiting there, hidden somewhere out there in the world?

If the catastrophes of the intervening ages lead to its destruction on the source as so many other ancient ruins what of the other reflections? We can assume that it was destroyed in the flood of light of the first, but what about others?

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Pandaemonium, like how it was in FF2, is likely deep under the ground, and intact. If I were to place bets on where exactly it could be, there is one particular region of the world we have not gone to, that will likely be filled with creatures that are over level 100 (or whatever the leveling scheme will be for it). I speak of course, of the New World. There are some rather terrifying monsters in the mythologies of the old tribes of the Americas...I could imagine making a number of them true for whatever we encounter in the New World, and some horrific enough to where they'd likely to come out of Pandaemonium itself. An example, the Wendigo.

There should be remnants of it in the First. Anamnesis Anyder somewhat survived so Pandemonium should be able to survive too.

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Originally Posted by Yuella

There should be remnants of it in the First. Anamnesis Anyder somewhat survived so Pandemonium should be able to survive too.

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That's only true if it's in Eorzea, though; if it's not, then it got wiped out by the Flood. And we went to most of Norvrandt's Eorzea equivalent locations.

So if it's in Eorzea (again, doubtful), it'd be in one of the areas we weren't: basically, the equivalents of Ala Mhigo, Xelphatol, or Abalathia's Spine.

Seeing as how we're done with the Amaurot, and the devs love bringing back ancient civilizations every single expansion in one way or another (Cough cough, Allagan). I could see the actual Pandaemonium location in the modern day being a loose plot point that would be addressed in the future (Whehter on the source or the other shards) to bring back Amaurot and the ancients once again.

Unfortunately, I have full confidence that the devs will bring back the ancients and Amaurot again in 7.0. Somehow.

Plot twist, Pandaemonium is under Lea Monde and is the source of the dark magic like we saw in Vagrant Story.

This is a joke, don't hurt me.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Plot twist, Pandaemonium is under Lea Monde and is the source of the dark magic like we saw in Vagrant Story.

This is a joke, don't hurt me.

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

But then Azys Lla is a miss-mash of various different regions. So there is the possibility that the Allagans crammed whatever was left of pandaemonium (unbeknownst of it's significance) into the floating mess. Only for Athena to use it for it's recreation.

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The floating land masses came from what is now the Burn. Some of the buildings were ported in from different places.

Isn't the original Pandaemonium kind of in its own pocket dimension? That teleporter we take to get to it from Elpis seemed to take us into another reality where the very air was different from that of Elpis, after all. The sky there was dark stifling. My money would be on it being subterranean or in the Interdimensional Rift somewhere.

It's definitely a loose thread the writers are leaving themselves when they need a cheap and easy filler.

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

But then Azys Lla is a miss-mash of various different regions. So there is the possibility that the Allagans crammed whatever was left of pandaemonium (unbeknownst of it's significance) into the floating mess. Only for Athena to use it for it's recreation.

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We know where the land came from. The area that would become known as the Burn.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Isn't the original Pandaemonium kind of in its own pocket dimension? That teleporter we take to get to it from Elpis seemed to take us into another reality where the very air was different from that of Elpis, after all. The sky there was dark stifling. My money would be on it being subterranean or in the Interdimensional Rift somewhere.

It's definitely a loose thread the writers are leaving themselves when they need a cheap and easy filler.

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It's part of why I joked about it being related to Lea Monde. That place in Vagrant Story was practically in a pocket dimension, and was a Genius Loci.

My speculation is that Pandaemonium was where Labyrinthos currently is. It sorta makes sense, both are underground research facilities that are near the Underworld/Aetherial Sea. Plus Athena placing it there doesn't seem coincidental. I mean why not just create Pandaemonium in Azys Lla then.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

My speculation is that Pandaemonium was where Labyrinthos currently is. It sorta makes sense, both are underground research facilities that are near the Underworld/Aetherial Sea. Plus Athena placing it there doesn't seem coincidental. I mean why not just create Pandaemonium in Azys Lla then.

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I like this, especially with the Elpis-Azys Lla parallel to give a justification why it appears in the Aetherial Sea so nearby; I also like the idea that surface geography doesn’t align when you go into the Aetherial Sea.

If the real Pandaemonium survived the Sundering, it is dangling as a plot hook, but one I doubt they’re in any hurry to use just yet, and one that will be tacked onto some completely different plot, as Ivalice provides the Ultima High Seraph to give some flavor to Athena. And the Lea Monde suggestion makes sense, as a nice parallel connection.

8.0 when it gets around to the Pandaemonium Ultimate could use that as a what-if Athena fully powered instead of recreating Pandaemonium via transforming a section of Aetherochemical Research has found the surviving real place, thus handwave to include earlier floors and make everything harder.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Isn't the original Pandaemonium kind of in its own pocket dimension? That teleporter we take to get to it from Elpis seemed to take us into another reality where the very air was different from that of Elpis, after all. The sky there was dark stifling. My money would be on it being subterranean or in the Interdimensional Rift somewhere.

It's definitely a loose thread the writers are leaving themselves when they need a cheap and easy filler.

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Kind of an inverse of the Omphalos. Which makes sense with Pandamonium being the hell to the 12's heaven. Thematically speaking within the patch content, I mean; not that Panda is the actual 7 hells.

... Though apparently Athena does say the term "7 hells" at some point, so maybe there is some kind of connection between the facility and the myth of the 7 hells of the Twelve? I dunno.

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Originally Posted by Alleluia

Kind of an inverse of the Omphalos. Which makes sense with Pandamonium being the hell to the 12's heaven. Thematically speaking within the patch content, I mean; not that Panda is the actual 7 hells.

... Though apparently Athena does say the term "7 hells" at some point, so maybe there is some kind of connection between the facility and the myth of the 7 hells of the Twelve? I dunno.

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She says it as part of her incantation to cast [Theos's] Ultima, which is a callback to Lahabrea's casting of the spell after the first fight against the Ultima Weapon, both using the Heart of Sabik as a catalyst.

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Originally Posted by Lahabrea / Athena

From the deepest pit of the seven hells to the very pinnacle of the heavens, the world shall tremble!

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Given there's no true divinities in XIV's setting (that we know of, yet) and all souls return to the Underworld / Aetherial Sea / Lifestream, they really should know better, but that line was probably written before this much worldbuilding was done so...

On topic, like all remnants of Amaurotine civilization Pandaemonium was more than likely destroyed either in the Final Days or the Calamities on the Source. It might be possible to find some weathered ruins on some of the reflections, but despite their superior construction quality even Amaurot itself was in extreme disrepair on the First. Granted that was underwater, but even so.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

On topic, like all remnants of Amaurotine civilization Pandaemonium was more than likely destroyed either in the Final Days or the Calamities on the Source. It might be possible to find some weathered ruins on some of the reflections, but despite their superior construction quality even Amaurot itself was in extreme disrepair on the First. Granted that was underwater, but even so.

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Thinking about it, I'd actually say that Pandaemonium has an even lower chance of being intact than any other Ancient building, because it's specifically intended to house dangerous creatures. If something like the Phoinix or Hippokampos survives when the warders don't, it's only a matter of time until it breaks out and does some serious damage, to both the land and the building itself.

Hell, look at the Proto-Carbuncle's fight; that thing had already wrecked its confines. If there's even one thing in that castle that's on the Proto-Carbuncle's level after the sundering, I wouldn't just call Pandaemonium a write-off, I'd give up on a good several miles around it.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

Nope, was outright confirmed that Athena ripped out a chunk of Azys Lla (specifically the Aetherochemical Research Facility, a.k.a. where Lahabrea died), transformed it into Pandaemonium, and slammed it down into the Aetherial Sea.

You could make an argument that she picked the Aitiascope because that was near where Pandaemonium was, though--narratively it's there because it's the part of the Aetherial Sea we have easy access to, but Athena doesn't have any stated reason she slapped it down in that part of the Aetherial Sea, so that reason's as good as any.

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She plopped it down there cause it was near to us and she wanted ti study us remember? Also near all those souls she needed

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Isn't the original Pandaemonium kind of in its own pocket dimension? That teleporter we take to get to it from Elpis seemed to take us into another reality where the very air was different from that of Elpis, after all. The sky there was dark stifling. My money would be on it being subterranean or in the Interdimensional Rift somewhere.

It's definitely a loose thread the writers are leaving themselves when they need a cheap and easy filler.

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I thought that it was under the islands hidden in the clouds and behind seals, thus hidden deep in the... mawlstrom... below ishgard... fuuuuuuuu