I miss Kaiten

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05-28-2023, 08:06 PM
Mithron

I miss Kaiten

I miss that flourish animation and sound effect it made, it was so immensely satisfying. It was the main defining feature of SAM to me. When I saw it in SB, it made me immediately want to play SAM.

SAM has never felt the same without it. I am not a SAM main by any means, but I do enjoy the job sometimes and Kaiten was what I enjoyed the most.
05-29-2023, 05:09 PM
Taranok

I personally do not like Kaiten as a button, but I'd love to take Kaiten's animation and turn Third Eye into it. I think it'd oddly fit as well. A lot better than Third Eye's animation at least.
05-29-2023, 05:37 PM
ataren3

I'm playing SAM this raid tier after playing MNK last tier. I don't have a lot of memories on Kaiten but I would really like to have actual options to dump my kenki. Let me dump 50 kenki on a single target skill for bigger damage, or an ability to generate more kenki with X number of weaponskill attacks, throw 75 kenki to acquire a meditation stack. I'm not a fan of using it for basically one button outside of 2 minutes it feels boring.
05-29-2023, 08:51 PM
CelestiCer
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Originally Posted by Mithron

I miss that flourish animation and sound effect it made, it was so immensely satisfying. It was the main defining feature of SAM to me. When I saw it in SB, it made me immediately want to play SAM.

SAM has never felt the same without it. I am not a SAM main by any means, but I do enjoy the job sometimes and Kaiten was what I enjoyed the most.

Miss Kaiten for a lot of reasons... as do many other Samurai's. Joined the Forums purely cause of its loss ( explains my forum littering... ). The Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 Kaiten removal " Clicking-Here " hasn't been updated cause of lack of new threads, nor had to time to or lack of I guess purpose... with what we compiled already.
- Proving Kaiten removal's negative affects on our gameplay
- Debunking the non-existing Button/Action bloat issues
- Suggesting obvious blatant alternatives to Kaiten removal
- Disproving it not just being a button you press every time infinitely
Does apparently absolutely nothing. Remember - Square asked us to try it out and give them our Feedback / We tried it, it sucked and we gave them our Feedback - and got Completely ignored... Square is clearly hellbent on not responding and making the game easier/dumber/lazier as that benefits them in someway somehow.

Often told that Kaiten removal was necessary to make room for something new as there are really no good argument points to its removal aside from preference of Fun... (which also often comes from Non-SAM players for some reason... ) Well here are the patches so far...
- Newfound Adventure 6.1 / 6.11 / 6.11a / 6.15 / 6.18
- Buried Memory 6.2 / 6.21 / 6.25 / 6.28
- Gods Revel, Lands Tremble 6.3 / 6.31 / 6.3
- The Dark Throne 6.4 / 6.45
That's a long time since 6.1's Kaiten removal on April 12, 2022 for still " Absolutely Nothing ". Wait till 7.0 they'll say ( obviously... ) My advice? is to temper expectations as Square's direction is to clearly make Jobs more homogenized while somehow having convinced a good portion of the player-base that its somehow to improve the game... right.

I have few reasons to stay on the Forums, but wanting back Kaiten? is still the main reason, mhm.

https://i.ibb.co/HHMmJ70/kaiten.png
05-30-2023, 12:43 AM
Mithron

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Originally Posted by CelestiCer

" Clicking-Here "

I wanted to add to this list because SAM needs Kaiten
05-30-2023, 12:48 AM
Picker

Still supporting my sam bros
05-30-2023, 12:54 AM
Fryfor

It's not coming back lol
05-30-2023, 01:26 AM
Deo14

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Originally Posted by Fryfor

It's not coming back lol

Just as our trust in the company that asks us to give feedback and then ignores it.
05-30-2023, 03:15 AM
Ransu

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Originally Posted by ataren3

I'm playing SAM this raid tier after playing MNK last tier. I don't have a lot of memories on Kaiten but I would really like to have actual options to dump my kenki. Let me dump 50 kenki on a single target skill for bigger damage, or an ability to generate more kenki with X number of weaponskill attacks, throw 75 kenki to acquire a meditation stack. I'm not a fan of using it for basically one button outside of 2 minutes it feels boring.

Ironically, Senei used to cost 50 kenki lol. They reduced it to 25 in EW.
05-30-2023, 03:49 AM
Deo14

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Ironically, Senei used to cost 50 kenki lol. They reduced it to 25 in EW.

> Adds 900+1350 potency skill with high cooldown
> Makes stacking every possible raidbuff a meta
> Makes every big damage skill align with this raidbuff window
> Wonders why is there crit variance

> Makes Senei cheaper
> Adds second Meikyo stack
> Wonders why is burst so busy

You can't make this shit up.
05-30-2023, 02:29 PM
ataren3

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Ironically, Senei used to cost 50 kenki lol. They reduced it to 25 in EW.

Really? Requiring 50 keni would actually feel kind of nice. I dump so much damn kenki into Senei so often it's like if MNK's brotherhood effect lasted for an extra 10-15 seconds. It's ridiculous and just boring popping it. The only thoughts I have with kenki is with a specific party comp. If we have an astro then sure I'm storing kenki till I get a card but otherwise it's just kind of "dump as you get".