Opinions on the new range increases?

Personally I find that the new healing bubble changes are incredibly intrusive in terms of appearance. I personally play on a small enough screen that the bubbles will take up a good chunk of it. I can't even see the top of the dang thing. It also feels like an un-needed change? It's not exactly going to stop people from standing outside of it and frankly I almost feel like the people who already don't stand in it are going to be standing even further out because they don't realise it's for healing and not the boss dumping an AoE in said circle.

I play healer primarily in PUGs. There's always some ranged or caster who doesn't get that just because they can stand halfway to Narnia doesn't mean they should.

A bit...odd.

Only been playing SCH so far since 6.4, and it's like "Good god, Soil is HUGE!"

I don't DISlike it, per se. It's just...so big. It's like, it's ALMOST too convenient, if that makes sense? Deployment Tactics, on the other hand, feels REALLY good. Maybe because it's a fire and forget rather than a lingering effect and because it was often easy to miss people before. It is funny seeing a few people still stand just outside it. Wesk Alber was right. Though now it's almost like they can't escape, which is mildly hilarious. I dunno, I guess my vote goes to:

"It feels weird, but I'm okay with it."

Yeah it definitely feels convenient but I also feel like the bubbles were already a good size and the change was unneeded. I think my main fear is that they're going to make an extra big arena to justify the change to the size

It's a small change that makes everything easier, While it's not really a bad change, I feel like this only serves to simplify things more and more.
Personally though it's a change I like at least, so I'm not really complaining but I'm cautious still about such changes because of what's happened to raid buffs all synching in endwalker.

Not a fan of the soil change specifically. It was already overly big IMO but still took at least one brain cell of thought to place in a good spot, which I found fun. Now it covers practically the entire arena so you can just randomly plop it pretty much anywhere and cover everyone. What's the point of having a ground target ability if you remove what makes those abilities engaging to use?

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

I play healer primarily in PUGs. There's always some ranged or caster who doesn't get that just because they can stand halfway to Narnia doesn't mean they should.

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Even when they boosted the radius of skills like earthy star and asylum in base EW, I still had these ranged people stand just outside of it somehow. Even with further increases, I bet you anything we'll still get these people who manage to be just outside it somehow. Whenever I see this kind of thing despite the developers straight up hammering out the game to prevent this kind of thing from happening, I just think about that part from Jurassic Park where Ian Malcolm is like:
https://i.imgur.com/zmr9OkL.png

it's especially nice on reaper because i don't have to worry about chuckleheads being out in narnia causing me to lose a stack now

i dont really like it. sure its convenient. but convenient isnt always better. before i had to pay attention for everyone being in range and now its just whatever... one more thing in making the whole thing bland

I love the changes to the size of soil. What can I say. I like em big.

Asylum is comically large.

At this point they can just add an off-GCD party HoT and the healbuff without the bubble at all.

But we already have Plenary which is a heal buff. And Temperance which is a heal buff plus party mitigation...

They have to prune this in 7.0, this is pure button bloat, but for the moment it's fine I guess.

Or in other words:

The bubble lost it's flavor. Now it can go anyway...

At first I was skeptical, however with some of the arena designs in 6.4, I can see the viability of doing this. It allows them to utilise comically large hitboxes for bosses and more arena space for more mechanics without making the buff application a limiting factor.

Overall, ok I guess.

I hope the change was made to accomodate more innovative and interesting mechanics/boss areana in the future. Otherwise, I think it's kind of uneccessary.

BTW, Black Mage when?

https://i.imgur.com/Cs6bXtw.png

The range changes to buffs and and healing bubbles almost certainly means huge boss hitbox and arena are staying going forward.
Which is sigh, whatever.

You can make sense to it with the new raids we get but, when you do Unreal for example, it is just... LMFAO.
https://i.imgur.com/R2c4WcI.png

EDIT:
I went into Titan for the giggles.
https://i.imgur.com/y9Shqxu.png

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Originally Posted by ioeth

Yeah it definitely feels convenient but I also feel like the bubbles were already a good size and the change was unneeded. I think my main fear is that they're going to make an extra big arena to justify the change to the size

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More than likely it's the other way around. Just from the normal mode raids it's clear that there's going to be a lot of light party split across quite large distances.

They probably sketched out some basic designs for this savage tier and decided that in order to make it workable they'd need to extend some ability ranges.

Personally I quite like them tbh. Particularly for abilities where the exact range isn't very visually clear, like a lot of raid buffs.

Personally I always felt party wide buffs should be able to hit every member not matter what so Im fine with them increasing the range for them.

I thought the shield aoes sizes where already fine before but Im not complaining about the increased range of it either.

Im just fine with it personally

came one patch too late, brutally needed for omega protocol

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Originally Posted by ioeth

Personally I find that the new healing bubble changes are incredibly intrusive in terms of appearance. I personally play on a small enough screen that the bubbles will take up a good chunk of it. I can't even see the top of the dang thing. It also feels like an un-needed change? It's not exactly going to stop people from standing outside of it and frankly I almost feel like the people who already don't stand in it are going to be standing even further out because they don't realise it's for healing and not the boss dumping an AoE in said circle.

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Simple solution, set party effects to minimal.

Considering the bosses are so large that standing in positions around it put you at the very edge of many skills I am glad they increased the range.

Basic unobtrusive buffs are fine. Especially things like run speed.

Torn on battle buffs, since the smaller radius did require I put some thought where I am standing when casting at times.

Bubbles should be reverted. I already have my settings to turn off most others effects and I don’t need even larger clutter.

The game just gets easier and easier with each patch, and the balance gets worse and worse.
If you can play 1 healer, you can play all.
If you can play 1 tank, you can play all. And if 1 is better there is no reason not to play that instead.
I have to play the mouth breather job; warrior, now that it's the best at everything in the tank roster. There's nothing my job does better than War.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

A bit...odd.

Only been playing SCH so far since 6.4, and it's like "Good god, Soil is HUGE!"

I don't DISlike it, per se. It's just...so big. It's like, it's ALMOST too convenient, if that makes sense?

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I haven't played in a bit, but just from first thought...

In casual play sure, w/e. But, people are generally already stacked up enough already so it's sorta eh.
In high end play I feel like it may come to erase the mechanics of healer AoEs, further dismisses healer planning, enables non-healers to continue ignoring their environment.
Healing is already easy. What is SE thinking ? What are they trying to make obselete here ? (just me thinking)

The change doesn't really make sense and it wasn't a QoL issue.
It has always been a player issue ie the BRD on the very pixel corner of a platform.

I don't really care that they made them 30 yamls. I think that's fine. People are supposed to be nearby/within them anyway. What has me bothered is that I find the size increases visually intrusive and that I need to turn effects off in the settings just so I can see the darn arena. A lot of the healer skills are just to flashy and big to see regular mechanics happening beneath it.

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

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Awh so nice of you to play then ^_^

I first thought "That's it?" But then remembered that during most of ShB our caster liked to stand in <kupo>-knows-where and I had to chase him down for my Technical Finish and then dash back to my spot for spread mechanics, hoping that the tanks also got the buffs. So, yes, I approve of this change.

I love the changes as a SGE. The arena in Dead Ends for the second boss is large and the mechanics require people to spread out. Even when I would toss the bubble down near the middle of where everyone was as much as possible, some dps didn't get it. Now I can stay in my spot and toss it out and it hits everyone. Same with Physis. Also getting the dps who hang out in Narnia on the final boss.

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Originally Posted by Tint

Asylum is comically large.

At this point they can just add an off-GCD party HoT and the healbuff without the bubble at all.

But we already have Plenary which is a heal buff. And Temperance which is a heal buff plus party mitigation...

They have to prune this in 7.0, this is pure button bloat, but for the moment it's fine I guess.

Or in other words:

The bubble lost it's flavor. Now it can go anyway...

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It's so large people will still go towards another corner during Anima's big laser attack when I've preemptively put it down, then when I rescue them inside it while they're 40% HP, they then have to ask why I pulled them.

Apparently it's not big enough.

The ranged increases will make PUG grouping way better for Healers.

On the one hand (for CU) it does give more interacting in some areas.

For example I got Hero's Gauntlet in Roulette yesterday (the other day, w/e) and on the final boss with the stack under rocks mechanic I could use CU and mitigate my entire party despite them being spread out. That's neat.

However, it takes away part of what sorely lacking in healers - picking the right tool for the job. I already complain that because of how scripted damage is I can use the same tool every 60s with out fail. This is now the same issue I have with current ES. Its too damn big and now takes away any and all positioning (and the reward for positioning right) as well as any and all decision making:

"I can't use X skill here because the party is spread out better use Y". Well now there's no point in using Y because X does the same damn thing.

In gaining something it feels like we've taken away yet another thing. So... I gues 60/40 split with 40 being the "good" half.

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

I hope the change was made to accomodate more innovative and interesting mechanics/boss areana in the future. Otherwise, I think it's kind of uneccessary.

BTW, Black Mage when?

https://i.imgur.com/Cs6bXtw.png

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You'd think BLMs would figure out to graft Leylines on their skin like tattoos at this point. 7.0 maybe.

It's a mix of feelings.

I mean on one hand melee has been doing really well in a lot of newer content because of the increased sizes of hitboxes we've had. It probably shouldn't be like that, but it is, and because it is like that then it's only fair that everyone else gets the same treatment in regards to their heals and buffs.

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

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All we need now is for SQE to trait upgrade cure into cure2 and remove freecure trait

I like the changes! It honestly has helped so much since sometimes when doing positioning and getting separated for safe spots in high end content makes it much easier to hit those folks who are just a few yalms too far out.

I do main all healers, but scholar so I can't really give an opinion on that. As someone who plays with low visibility on skill casts I don't really see issues with the AoE ground effects being too large.

The changes to DPS casts being larger has been HUGE. Actually seeing people use their role actions more often than they used to!

I don't play healer but as a RDM main, I'm glad everyone gets my Embolden now, even if I jump to the boss.
I'm talking about you ranged people pewpewing at max range. You're welcome. ;P

Okay, now that I've got into the new raids and EX, I'm coming back here to say that the huge healing bubbles adds to visual clutter especially when it covers the entire arena.
When bosses start casting with certain colors it does make important things like waymarks hard to see amongst the blurr of animations.
While this is minimal and doesn't give me a headache or anything, it is a slight annoyance to anyone who likes to have visual clarity when doing battle content.

Below is an example from EX6 (under spoiler just in case).

https://i.imgur.com/TBijLa4l.png

It'd be a lot better if we could zoom out slightly more at this point.

I know what caused them to increase healer spell / ability ranges, it was P8S during the mechanic where everybody has to spread out to the four corners and that cause some people to not get healed and wipe the raid. While it's easy enough to address those concerns with proper heal timing, it still happened on rare occasions. Instead of accepting this, every healer essentially now has near-arena wide heals. I am surprised that AST was not upgraded from Earthly Galaxy to Earthly Universe or maybe Earthly Multiverse where the heals are so large they heal you into the next few pulls! ;)

Taken from a shitpost
https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitpostXIV...a_time_travel/