Normal Raid 6.4

The normal raids in 6.4 are very hard why am I dodging aoe mechanics right behind aoe mechanics behind yet other aoe mechanics, is the normal raid maybe mislabeled and is really hard or extreme. These raids are too hard imho and good luck if you are a caster. This is of course just my opinion as everyone has different skills , might be able to dodge better if the camera could zoom out a bit more however Square thinks its working as intended to guess where the last aoe will hit if you cant rotate your camera fast enough.

One-shotted everything first time with randoms. Don't make the easy "normal" tier raids even easier ~_~

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Originally Posted by OogaShaka

The normal raids in 6.4 are very hard why am I dodging aoe mechanics right behind aoe mechanics behind yet other aoe mechanics, is the normal raid maybe mislabeled and is really hard or extreme. These raids are too hard imho and good luck if you are a caster. This is of course just my opinion as everyone has different skills , might be able to dodge better if the camera could zoom out a bit more however Square thinks its working as intended to guess where the last aoe will hit if you cant rotate your camera fast enough.

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because it is an endgame combat activity that the game did not prepare you for.

If anything it was about the right level of difficulty for normal.

I sware the casual playerbase will never be happy playing the game when all they want is to zone in, get rewards and a cutscene and then afk in limsa.

Omg! The Audacity to make you play the game by... " actually playing the game "... the horrors... nay... unforgivable. There, there it's going to be okey... If you play enough other games long enough? Unsyncing it with Echo comes sooner then you might like to believe my sweet summer child. Mhm mhm.

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LOOK AT THIS !!

1v1-ing the new normal trial Boss as a Samurai, quality content that we been asking for ( obviously )

The fact normal raids and trials push players a tiny bit? is a good sign that fight mechanics are made not boring. It's exciting, learning and progging. Going into said content? you should know what you're signing up for even if its just normal difficulty. You can always wait for some Guide maker ( snickers ) for normal content XD

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Originally Posted by CelestiCer

https://i.ibb.co/txwLRyT/Im-a-tank-btw.png

LOOK AT THIS !!

1v1-ing the new normal trial Boss as a Samurai, quality content that we been asking for ( obviously )

The fact normal raids and trials push players a tiny bit? is a good sign that fight mechanics are made not boring. It's exciting, learning and progging. Going into said content? you should know what you're signing up for even if its just normal difficulty. You can always wait for some Guide maker ( snickers ) for normal content XD

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Kaiten could have saved those lives tbh

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Originally Posted by Bunnycake

Kaiten could have saved those lives tbh

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SEE PROOF YET AGAIN!! IF I HAD KAITEN DX<
BOSS WOULDA BEEN DEAD BUT NOOO!!!!

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Originally Posted by OogaShaka

The normal raids in 6.4 are very hard why am I dodging aoe mechanics right behind aoe mechanics behind yet other aoe mechanics, is the normal raid maybe mislabeled and is really hard or extreme. These raids are too hard imho and good luck if you are a caster.

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If you can't see the boss's cast bar: Go into HUD Layout and change the Target Info widget.

If you can't see what the boss is doing during a cast bar: Character Configuration > Control Settings > Character > Battle Effects: Turn them down to Limited.

The first part of the fight is intended to teach you what the tells and casts do. The later parts of the fight combine those basic attacks in "interesting" ways. This is the usual structure of all boss fights in Endwalker. (And maybe even Shadowbrings.)

And because this is normal mode content, just break a cast and move if you need to. It's not worth dying.

It was nice to see normal raids actually have some meat to them after for so very long, it should be about fun and the thrill of combat.

not a snoozefest.

Now if only Endsinger had the same bite to it, shame.

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Originally Posted by CelestiCer

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SEE PROOF YET AGAIN!! IF I HAD KAITEN DX<
BOSS WOULDA BEEN DEAD BUT NOOO!!!!

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Be a good girl and maybe Santa will give you a Kaiten for Christmas!

But sadly the monkey's paw is real.

I'm sure the fix will be in momentarily to nerf the bosses like they did to thunder god cid (maybe I'm being too cynical I guess).

I'd say the fights were pretty much perfect for normal-tier.

Not esoteric and not unfair while also demanding people pay a bit of attention.

This thread: Showing how the negative players WILL NOT allow anyone to have a difference of opinion with them without attacking relentlessly.

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Originally Posted by EliaStormblade

I'd say the fights were pretty much perfect for normal-tier.

Not esoteric and not unfair while also demanding people pay a bit of attention.

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Agreed. They were a little rough for normal players, but mostly fair, and getting a few vets in the DF means your party will probably be able to clear. They might should have toned down the Trial a bit since it's part of the MSQ, but it was overall about the right difficulty.

Hilarious that there's another thread talking about how the game is a cakewalk and the same people badmouthing OP here are in 100% agreement with the OP there...

These are definitely not the hardest normal raids to happen on release. I remember older raids like certain alex or omega tiers being harder than these.

That difficulty only exists on release day. Once everyone knows the fight and has got the new gear, it gets absolutely destroyed.

If the aoes happen too fast, it's because they were telegraphed in a way you did not notice (colors, symbols, cast name specifying the direction or type of aoe), or patterns you are meant to get used to.

For me personally, I figured out the mechanics of one of the fights after just a few casts and was able to anticipate all the other mechanics without getting any vulns like everybody else was. I was able to wing the first fight in a similar way.

Another of them was extremely well telegraphed with new telegraphs or I'd just done too many fights in the game that there wasn't any mechanic getting me. The last one got everyone and killed many people over and over, at one point even healers, and caused us to need to wipe it, but once we got used to what it was doing it became really easy.

I tried the 4 new raids yesterday evening with random people over the duty finder. My random groups finished all 4 raids at least on the second try, and we were all new to the raid bosses ;)

I found the raids and mechanics not very hard or difficult. I have seen much more harder and difficult raids in the past. Personally, I would say the the first 3 raids has easy to normal difficulty level and the last boss has a little bit more complex mechanics, but it is also normal to to.

Also the Goblez trial was not very hard to do on the first try with randoms :)

You're probably missing a tell on the AoEs and that's okay because people are going to miss that when they first run it until they're able to learn that mechanic. It's okay to miss a cast to move since learning the fight is going to be more important at first.

This tier had some spice to it but it's overall at a good place for normal raid content.

I think the most confusing part is the new markers, otherwise it's simply a new coat of paint over things we already know.
P9 and P10 had me a bit more focused, I enjoyed these. P11 and P12 were a bit lackluster in my opinion.

One thing is I'm happy with them trying new things with arena. It's not the first time, but it's always more engaging than generic circle arena suspended in the void.

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Originally Posted by Bunnycake

Kaiten could have saved those lives tbh

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XD
Ok, I was getting tiered of the Kaiten Memes, but this just brought me back in

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Originally Posted by EliaStormblade

I'd say the fights were pretty much perfect for normal-tier.

Not esoteric and not unfair while also demanding people pay a bit of attention.

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Agreed, I was very surprised to have fun in the normal version this time around. Hopefully this is a trend that continues!

10th and 12th Circle were a bloody great time for me.
I Got Day 1 players who didnt understand ANYTHING, we wiped 4 times trying to learn.
I think this was a great Raid Tier. Plus Day 1 is usually the Best time

It was somewhat of a challenge AS IT SHOULD BE. Most exciting part of the patch. Suck it up pls.

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Originally Posted by OogaShaka

The normal raids in 6.4 are very hard why am I dodging aoe mechanics right behind aoe mechanics behind yet other aoe mechanics, is the normal raid maybe mislabeled and is really hard or extreme. These raids are too hard imho and good luck if you are a caster. This is of course just my opinion as everyone has different skills , might be able to dodge better if the camera could zoom out a bit more however Square thinks its working as intended to guess where the last aoe will hit if you cant rotate your camera fast enough.

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I'm not gonna attack you like other here. I will say this is some of those instances where practice will make things feel much better.

give it a few weeks and it will feel MUCH easier

Is been a while since I've had fun in normal content. Whoever designed the last wing of the raid tier did an amazing job. Every fight was a banger with fun intuitive mechanics, at good pacing. Arena changes and not just simple "1 mechanic at a time" timelines. Every single fight was more fun than every normal/savage version of the previous wings, imo. (including P4S phase2)

Really looking forward to the savage tier.

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Originally Posted by OogaShaka

The normal raids in 6.4 are very hard why am I dodging aoe mechanics right behind aoe mechanics behind yet other aoe mechanics, is the normal raid maybe mislabeled and is really hard or extreme. These raids are too hard imho and good luck if you are a caster. This is of course just my opinion as everyone has different skills , might be able to dodge better if the camera could zoom out a bit more however Square thinks its working as intended to guess where the last aoe will hit if you cant rotate your camera fast enough.

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Not really, they are not hard at all, and it has been so with any 8 man raid ever from HW and forward, first few weeks they seem hard, but you need to think about you head in there on not the maximum ilevel or close to on that tier, also the pointers and more to see what the bosses do is very easy to spot visually.

Use your eyes and look at what x boss is casting to be able to dodge it in before hand, it is not too difficult, and that is how it is...

I do this as a monk, which means I have to move all the time for better DPS... if I just needed to stand there I could easely do such as bard or whatever caster as well, and only move when have to move.

Wiping is part of the fun. This was my favorite raid patch from EW so far with some banger music. It's hectic and invigorating to experience. I need more. . . MORE FOR MY BLOOD LILIESSSSS.

I really liked it. We even got debuffs like bleed/doom. As a healer I'm happy. More please.

I thought the normal raid mechanics were within what is acceptable. I used to raid, but haven't since Stormblood. I thought the difficulty was probably where it should be. Casual players shouldn't one-shot it, unless they are the only first-timers in a group of 8.

Anyone who posts some "in the olden days" post is just trolling, there are 12 fights in a series, comparing xpac to xpac some will be up some will be down in difficulty and/or enjoyment. On the whole, across the 12, these raids are approximately the same as Eden and Omega (I guess you could argue that the Omega series was a bit simpler). None of the 3 most recent xpacs have been gigantic departures from one another difficulty-wise.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

It was nice to see normal raids actually have some meat to them after for so very long, it should be about fun and the thrill of combat.

not a snoozefest.

Now if only Endsinger had the same bite to it, shame.

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What a thrill...

I do enjoy the new difficulty of things. The new trial is chaotic fun, as are the raids. Some of course being a bit easier than others, but it doesn't change the fun involved.

Its side content, so you don't have to do it if you aren't skilled enough :)

Tanked all four blind: P9 was a breeze, P10 actually had a wipe, and P12 almost did toward the very end. Went back in later and had an early wipe in P11 and a disband in P12 because everyone but the tanks struggled to stay alive. I'd probably recommend any struggling non-tanks to at least try off-tanking if they haven't for the faster queues, extra durability, and few mechanics you personally have to deal with.

I think it was pretty well balanced for Normal. Someone earlier in the thread hit on what I think has made the difference - most of the mechanics were pretty intuitive with cast names that were helpful instead of obscure ("Rear Combination"? bet I don't want to stand behind the boss). That made it easier to focus on puzzling out the less intuitive mechanics.

As others have said, things will feel different in a couple of weeks once you have done the fights a few times and have better gear.