Scholar - Bring back classic EOS and Selene

I actually enjoyed "Healer Stance" and dual summons with different styles and buff/debuffs. Summoner got a rework to allow more variety (even though job easier) of pets. Yet, Scholar got nerfed with 1 pet (eos/selene) and 1 other Seraph.

Either eliminate the 2 summons into 1 summon with "glamour" styles via /command. Or give us more pet options with different abilities like gaurada, ifrit, titan, bahamut, and phoenix.

Or, make summons pets all act the same with no different abilities.(Im being sarcastic).

Another options is make eos and selene "heal" differently. Example, Eos can be a "solo" heal with stronger single heal and/or buff ala stoneskin or something and have Selene be a "group Healer" with more AOE options.
That way, scholars will be casting different pets. Can model it after summoners "menu".

Not going to happen. Silence is irrelevant now and AoE esuna isn’t needed anymore. Fey wind will mess up ppl’s rotation so more than likely will change the effect to direct hit instead.

AoE esuna would be incredibly useful in either of the recent dungeons whenever your entire party messes up on the doom mechanics. Or in puppet's bunker where noone bothers interrupting the robots.

It could be, I’m thinking what would Yoshi and the devs say and somehow it’s never thought of from other ppl. It’s been tried before, no one barely uses it, the party esuna. No reason to have it now.

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Originally Posted by fulminating

AoE esuna would be incredibly useful in either of the recent dungeons whenever your entire party messes up on the doom mechanics. Or in puppet's bunker where noone bothers interrupting the robots.

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Yeah, but not really. First of all, unless you're also messing up, that's at max only 3 people you have to Esuna. And they could arguably fix this by just making Esuna an oGCD instead. If Debuffs were a real thing in this game, maybe, but cleansable Debuffs are extremely rare and only a result of people mucking up in most situations. And the situations where they aren't, you can generally just outheal them and they're pretty irrelevant anyway. If you could cleanse damage downs or vuln debuffs, that'd be a different story, but you can't.

Debuffs, at this point, are a mere afterthought.

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Personally, BEFORE they removed AST stances, I always thought that either which Faerie you pick OR Emergency Tactics could have been used to give SCH stances like AST (so the dreaded SCH/SCH situation wouldn't have been as unpleasant), but, of course, the opposite happened with them removing AST sects instead... <_<

Selene doesn't have to necessarily have the same abilities as before. I was thinking one EoS could be single player heals vs Selene AoE Healz. Being able to summon both or utilize a more "summoner" style of heal pets? Maybe a one for one translation for example...
Eos = Garuda, Selene = Titan, "New Fairy" = Ifrit, Seraph Or "Titania" = Bahamut, "Feo/Titania" = Phoenix. Something like that.

I was thinking more along the lines of making the fairies offer different variations of the same effects.
Whispering Dawn could have a stronger upfront potency but have less duration while the other had a weaker potency butnlasted longer.
Fey Blessing could remain a flat heal for 1 fairy while the other gets a shield effect
Fey Illumination could have had their Heal Increase and Mitigation values swapped so 1 fairy provided more mitigation and a cheap healing received buff and vice versa for the other.

Enough distinction to play around with while being easy enough to grasp for new players but having some room for more optimized play as well.

I was thinking to have Fey Wind gives party a movement speed up like Expedience does if they ever bring it back. Such is a fat wish to have IMHO.

But lmao let's be real they, will never do that for some obvious reason.

Nah, it’s one of the reasons why SE nerfed expedient in the first place. Because party sprint was way OP. So giving SCH another movement speed up ruins the purpose on why it was nerfed.

Am I the tackiest person in the world for suggesting returning Selene to be different but just changing old Selene’s kit to tools that actually matter?

Something I've become more open to is having a couple actions that might cater more to secondary content rather than normal combat scenarios. In Esuna's case, Deep Dungeons is what I'm referring to specifically. OGCD Esuna that's AoE actually is very useful for a healer in Deep Dungeons because silence/pacification traps cannot be Esuned if you step on them because you're silenced. I've started carrying Echo Drops specifically for that purpose, but a healer that has an Esuna that's OGCD would be able to do so without Echo Drops (though whether you cleanse your silence or pacification is up to chance in that case) but doing Deep Dungeons in a group of 4 would certainly give more value to it as an OGCD, and there are other uses for it as well since there are enemies that can inflict cleansable debuffs also.

And even in normal content, there is at least very light value to OGCD Esuna since they seem to be more consistent with having debuffs as a consequence of not dodging things in dungeons at least, as well as occasionally in extreme and savage. That said, I don't think it's something that really holds weight of choice for Selene over Eos if we are to look at the old dynamic. Personally, I feel like it's always made more sense for White Mage anyway. Esunaga is generally associated with White Mages. Though pardon me, that means giving White Mage a eye dropper's worth of utility. That wouldn't be very 'pure healer' of them, now, would it?

Yes, please remember that battle content exists in this game beyond "8 player dance off vs one boss" before deciding if something's worthless or whatever. The design team didn't, and that's partly why healers have 2 single target dps buttons (one which is awful for most enemies out in the field), and like maybe 4 total actions they can actually use on a player or npc outside of their party. FATEs exist, Eureka/Bozja exist, Hunts exist, 24 mans where you have 16 players that aren't in your party exist. You can always just not put the action on your bar if you don't want it, plenty of healers don't use Rescue and plenty of Phys Ranged don't use Head/Foot/Leg Graze or Peloton.

I'm occasionally astounded that they decided it was okay for Sleep, Bind, Heavy and Slow to work on dungeon trash again since 5.0, not that everyone's aware or that you're often given a chance to make use of this, but just giving all the healers Repose is a step in a direction beyond "the healers will get 5 new actions, one of them will be a potency increase adjustment for their attacks, and 4 of them will be a different flavor of restore X potency to party member every Y seconds with Z cooldown.

I watched DRK get butchered into a budget warrior, I watched SAM lose flair and big numbers and SMN becoming a snooze, astro cards become mundane and now i have to sit here and experience SCH lose all meaning and design.

They should let esuna be upgraded to esunaga to let it hit everyone but overall 14 is the only wierd ff so far where esuna is useless in 95% content. Same with repose lol.

As an aside, Esuna is only useless cause SE makes most boss debuff/buff unremovable to make it "hard". Make it those moves more damaging and give Esuna more value. Then give healers esunaga for party removal.

Well we used to have Esunaga, it was called Fey Caress. The latest raid has a TB that requires an Esuna (and it happens twice), if SCH still had that action it'd save a total of 4 healer GCDs across the fight. Not enough to be a 'we need NEED a SCH, locked slot' kinda thing, but enough to be a 'oh I can handle this with OGCDs because I'm SCH, that's cool'. Unfortunately, SE also thought that Throttle would be a cool and challenging idea for healers, which Fey Caress would have definitely removed the challenge of, so it is what it is

I think keeping Esuna single target might be the better idea. It allows for design like 'when this debuff is removed in any way (that means Esuna, death, timing out, anything), deals raidwide damage'. You have to remove the debuffs because if they all time out at once it's game over. But when you Esuna one, it hurts the team. So you have to balance healing and removal (or use Lilybell). We had Curtain Call, where the debuff removal was based on 'move away from thorn to snap tether', this would be similar but more in the healer's hands.

I would very much like Selene back. While I know that Eos glamoured looks the same, it just isn't somehow.

Oh, and a way to remove multiple debuffs at once.