Alliance Raid Queue Too Long

I'm on a new world, a level 88 Ninja. In daily roulettes, I queued for the Alliance Raid. It's about 1:30 pm Pacific time now. The longest I have waited for this queue, in the past, has been about 1 1/2 hours. So far, I have been waiting 2 hours and 25 minutes. This is so frustrating.

Is your server always this dead?

But the 4 new worlds on Dynamis, share their dungeon queues, with 4 worlds, it shouldn't take this long. I'll think twice about creating a new toon on a new world next time I create one.

A new DC at the end of patch cycle and 130 PST ? Yeah.

Sometimes even on Primal I get a 30m wait at 11 EST though that doesn't happen too often.

I'd make sure you check that all your languages are on in your DF settings and have all current raids unlocked for your level. IIRC Nier is being spammed for the event. If none of this works, most likely everyone else is traveling off DC to queue.

Right now alliance roulette is still slow on Dynamis. I've run into the same thing on my alt. The other queues seem to be much better than they were, but AR is still that slow even in busy times.

After 3 hours in alliance queue, I left it and started doing the other roulettes. They are so much better. I'll try the Alliance again later and just enjoy TV while waiting.

I think SE dramatically overestimated how popular the new DC was going to be. Even when asking players to move for housing and a 1m bonus, the fact that DC travel was possible led players to migrate back to their old DCs to get their regular dailies and other chores done. There was no expectation that the community seeds would germinate and grow, and beyond the fancy-pants gil bonus payout for certain conditions and better housing lotteries, no effort was made to distinguish the DC from any other to keep butts in seats, and so no one is interested in staying put. WHOOPS.

So this dramatic overestimation, where did it come from? I can only attribute it to Endwalker's release and the HUGE, MAJOR, problems with player queues that people experienced for the first 1-3 months with small thanks to the online MMO gold rush. Now put yourself in SE's clown shoes: You're an engineer, perhaps, and you see servers going down left and right during this period, what would you advise? The obvious solution is to add more servers. Other questions might also arise: should we build a new DC? What are the upper and lower metric limits of whatever we're keeping track of? You don't know for sure if this dramatic population influx as a result of EW's release is here to stay, so you have to make the decision with the data you know. What we see in the real world is that we got an Oceania data center and we got a new NA data center. We, as engineers, are satisfied because at the very least we can accommodate traffic, but the SE beancounters might be concerned because they can see trends like new accounts, resubs, cancellations, etc. They may sound a few alarms to bring those original engineers back to evaluate how to fix a broken DC that might be perceived as a failure. If the players are lucky.

Fixing the broken DCs is not the solution. I've harped on this and I've harped on this, but they need to figure out different, new ways to make the actual game more engaging for the modern gamer, to KEEP those butts in the seats. In my opinion, the people who joined during the Endwalker gold rush worked through the current formula (which was already showing its age) and got bored at some point along the way, or they saw what the community was doing and noped the f out. Like it or not, this is the situation, and argue with me all you want, but honestly you should look at those people who left and ask 'why did they leave' so you can maybe discover the root cause of why they left and maybe try to help solve the problem. Is it because this game sucks and is boring? Or are there other factors in play like shitty UI, bad social economics, extremely bad mod policy, godawful and memable graphics, shitty community, and so on. Taking all of this stuff into account might show to some why new data centers and communities within this ecosystem will continue to fail. You can't make a new DC if the playerbase isn't there, it will die on the vine.

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Originally Posted by Ishe-P

I think SE dramatically overestimated how popular the new DC was going to be. Even when asking players to move for housing and a 1m bonus, the fact that DC travel was possible led players to migrate back to their old DCs to get their regular dailies and other chores done. There was no expectation that the community seeds would germinate and grow, and beyond the fancy-pants gil bonus payout for certain conditions and better housing lotteries, no effort was made to distinguish the DC from any other to keep butts in seats, and so no one is interested in staying put. WHOOPS.

So this dramatic overestimation, where did it come from? I can only attribute it to Endwalker's release and the HUGE, MAJOR, problems with player queues that people experienced for the first 1-3 months with small thanks to the online MMO gold rush. Now put yourself in SE's clown shoes: You're an engineer, perhaps, and you see servers going down left and right during this period, what would you advise? The obvious solution is to add more servers. Other questions might also arise: should we build a new DC? What are the upper and lower metric limits of whatever we're keeping track of? You don't know for sure if this dramatic population influx as a result of EW's release is here to stay, so you have to make the decision with the data you know. What we see in the real world is that we got an Oceania data center and we got a new NA data center. We, as engineers, are satisfied because at the very least we can accommodate traffic, but the SE beancounters might be concerned because they can see trends like new accounts, resubs, cancellations, etc. They may sound a few alarms to bring those original engineers back to evaluate how to fix a broken DC that might be perceived as a failure. If the players are lucky.

Fixing the broken DCs is not the solution. I've harped on this and I've harped on this, but they need to figure out different, new ways to make the actual game more engaging for the modern gamer, to KEEP those butts in the seats. In my opinion, the people who joined during the Endwalker gold rush worked through the current formula (which was already showing its age) and got bored at some point along the way, or they saw what the community was doing and noped the f out. Like it or not, this is the situation, and argue with me all you want, but honestly you should look at those people who left and ask 'why did they leave' so you can maybe discover the root cause..............

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I don't think they over thought it, there is alot new stuff coming and soon enough 7.0 will go live... it will lighten up.

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Originally Posted by Lasten

But the 4 new worlds on Dynamis, share their dungeon queues, with 4 worlds, it shouldn't take this long. I'll think twice about creating a new toon on a new world next time I create one.

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A couple weeks ago on Dynamis during primetime I waited for over 3 hours for Crystal Tower (for MSQ) before I gave up and traveled to Jenova where the queue popped in 15 minutes.

I believe DYnamis will improve in time but right now for Alliance raids and some trials it is just painful.

Dynamis' problem is that no one who moved to it for housing stayed for content. So people who started there and don't really understand DC travel get shafted. I still think DC travel was a mistake, for a multitude of reasons.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Dynamis' problem is that no one who moved to it for housing stayed for content. So people who started there and don't really understand DC travel get shafted. I still think DC travel was a mistake, for a multitude of reasons.

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TO be honest although I played for years when I found myself in the position of not being able to get Crystal Tower done for MSQ on Dynamis I actually googled how to DC travel. I had never done it before then.

/me looks ashamed

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Originally Posted by Myrany

TO be honest although I played for years when I found myself in the position of not being able to get Crystal Tower done for MSQ on Dynamis I actually googled how to DC travel. I had never done it before then.

/me looks ashamed

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It's new, it only released around 6.0 (just before I think)

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Originally Posted by Myrany

I believe DYnamis will improve in time but right now for Alliance raids and some trials it is just painful.

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It's already seeing improvement (at least up to where I am in SB) in queue times since it was brought online, except for alliance raid and maybe normal raid. The DC has a much bigger lower level population and it just hasn't caught up to the endgame yet.

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Originally Posted by Lasten

I'm on a new world, a level 88 Ninja. In daily roulettes, I queued for the Alliance Raid. It's about 1:30 pm Pacific time now. The longest I have waited for this queue, in the past, has been about 1 1/2 hours. So far, I have been waiting 2 hours and 25 minutes. This is so frustrating.

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I have to swap to aether dc to get anything done since nobody is queing on dynamis lol

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Originally Posted by Myrany

TO be honest although I played for years when I found myself in the position of not being able to get Crystal Tower done for MSQ on Dynamis I actually googled how to DC travel. I had never done it before then.

/me looks ashamed

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that's well and fine since it's new that just happened recently!

My average queue for alliance roulette is 5 minutes as a dps.

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Originally Posted by Ishe-P

'why did they leave' so you can maybe discover the root cause of why they left and maybe try to help solve the problem.

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I've been a MSQ Tourist for this game longer than I've played it seriously, the reason people leave is because finishing the MSQ feels pretty bad. This isn't a jab at the writing or anything no, Im saying the game flat out just sorta dumps you out without telling you what you can actually do in the game now. There is no systems in place that encourage players to keep playing, or even inform them of things they could also do. You'll finish the story, be dumped out at mor dhona with a "TO BE CONTINUED" in the corner of your screen.

This gives you a feeling of finality, as if you beat the game, and then people stop playing because they don't know about the mountains of content, and they cant tell what quests are boring filler, and which ones lead to real content.

It is very common to see people from Dynamis on other data centers searching for a faster queue.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

I don't think they over thought it, there is alot new stuff coming and soon enough 7.0 will go live... it will lighten up.

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This sounds reductive to me. Why would the 7.0 changes press various DCs into interacting with each other in any meaningful way? If you're a raider, you'll go where the raiders are, if you're a filthy degenerate, you'll go where those people are, and so on. I don't think it will lighten up in the slightest; there might be a little bit of a burst for 7.0, but it is folly to hink that those players will stick around... UNLESS... 7.0 does something so goddamn cool that they will want to stay. I don't see that happening, to be honest. They more or less perfected their content formula in Shadowbringers.

Come xpac DC travel queues will be abysmal as well as the possibility they'll be taken down for a bit to alleviate log in issues on home servers. Once people see they can queue for duties normally the desire to data travel will decrease significantly in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Lasten

I'm on a new world, a level 88 Ninja. In daily roulettes, I queued for the Alliance Raid. It's about 1:30 pm Pacific time now. The longest I have waited for this queue, in the past, has been about 1 1/2 hours. So far, I have been waiting 2 hours and 25 minutes. This is so frustrating.

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thats all dynamis is mostly alts whose mains wanted a house essentially. so the server is kind of died most times. it does pick on hali for afew hours in the evenings that after 9 pst its dead XD

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Come xpac DC travel queues will be abysmal as well as the possibility they'll be taken down for a bit to alleviate log in issues on home servers. Once people see they can queue for duties normally the desire to data travel will decrease significantly in my opinion.

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They should definitely disable DC travel before the xpac and force everyone to go to their home servers. I don't think duty queues will be an issue, but what will be an issue is going to be all of the people thinking they're smart and that they can DC/World travel for shorter login queues later. Even then, since trusts are a thing and a lot of people will be using those for their first runs through the story queues won't matter as much either.

Dynamis will go from having lengthy queues in-game to having lengthy login queues as players from the other 3 DCs travel on over thinking they're clever and that they can cheat the system. It's sad because it means Dynamis players get the worst of both worlds.

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Originally Posted by Lasten

I'm on a new world, a level 88 Ninja. In daily roulettes, I queued for the Alliance Raid. It's about 1:30 pm Pacific time now. The longest I have waited for this queue, in the past, has been about 1 1/2 hours. So far, I have been waiting 2 hours and 25 minutes. This is so frustrating.

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The problem isn't you it's DC travel. The server has a pretty strong fun community as far as those who leveled or are still leveling HOWEVER the already established 90s that came pretty much use it as a suburb to get housing then DC travel back to their old realm 24/7. My old FC for example we would have on average 15 - 20 people on a day. However only 4 of us would be on Dynamis the rest would be DC transferred over. So when you got probably 50%+ of your servers spending 24/7 on another DC it affects ques very negatively.

Locking down dc travel doesn't fix queue times. Dynamis still has long queues even with dc travel locked for DT. Most people unsync content for msq and ignore optional content (which devs should just remove since no one but veteran players touch old optional content). This game does not feel as alive on Dynamis and I doubt it ever will.