[Suggestion] Close off Aether, Primal and Crystal to new character creation temp!

Now before the mass attack i feel coming let me explain this idea. I seen on these very forums a discussion as to why Dynamis is dead. Then today i got to thinking about different ways to achieve it being lively other then maybe counting on 7.0 to liven it up.

The answer was simple. Set worlds on aether, primal and crystal to congested temporarily thereby funneling newly created characters and players into dynamis.. Now again, before im bombarded. I realize that it takes the freedom of having friends possibly creating new characters on your world or moving over there. also takes away your freedom to say make an alt on primal to join a friend. I get that.

However i suggest closing temp to at least make dynamis more lively. Wouldn't need long. maybe a patch cycle. then the worlds in primal, aether and crystal are changed back to normal. they can even monitor how its going population wise and if they see it needs a bit longer or its been long enough then they can change aether, crystal and primal from all congested to whatever (with balmung being on perma congested).

No, they need to cancel the data center travel feature for that to work completely.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

No, they need to cancel the data center travel feature for that to work completely.

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explain your reasoning behind this or thought process

People from Dynamis would just DC travel to those three anyways (like they already do) because thats probably where their friends are gonna be

i guess but hey. i haven't really seen anyone else present ideas. i mean they could try it without shutting down dc travel and see how it goes. i have a feeling the few who travel probably wouldn't matter as the overall idea would vitalize the data center. then once the rest of the dc's are open to new characters (minus balmung) then its normal. its a temp idea to see how it would work. if it works it works. if not then at least it was tried right. also. if you disconnect the visitation. those people wouldn't make alts there anyways so really wouldn't matter would it lol

People would just use Dynamis as a hub and DC travel. There's nothing you can do without removing DC travel. There's already a good amount of people that believe that Primal is the DC for pvp, Aether is the dc for raiding, and Crystal is the DC for RP.

The only real solution is cross DC queues.

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

explain your reasoning behind this or thought process

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We already see it. People moved to dynamis for housing, yet queues are dead. Why? Because they all just data center travel to do content. They do maps in aether. Fates. Msq. Hunts. No one stays on dynamis to do content. So if you want people to be on dynamis, you'd have to kill DC travel.

Crystal was already closed off entirely just a few months ago.

Literally every new data center gets these same complaints, as if people expect populations to instantly boom

Stopping DC travel looks like the only way but I think they’d just end up pissing the playerbase on Dynamis. Who would even create an alt there under those conditions? You’d need an influx of new players and atm, the game is not getting that, at least not until 7.0

That happens on most of the worlds on Aether anyway so they don't really need to do it artificially.

Or...maybe...just maybe give Dynamis a bit of time or actually try to form a community over there to do stuff with. Dynamis isn't dead, people just expect that a new datacenter is from the start as populated as the old ones. Which is bonkers. It will need a lot of time for Dynamis to get a good population and everyone going there or creating a char there should've known what they sign up for, if you don't like it there is always the option to transfer your character to a more populated datacenter...or just travel.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Or...maybe...just maybe give Dynamis a bit of time or actually try to form a community over there to do stuff with. Dynamis isn't dead, people just expect that a new datacenter is from the start as populated as the old ones. Which is bonkers. It will need a lot of time for Dynamis to get a good population and everyone going there or creating a char there should've known what they sign up for, if you don't like it there is always the option to transfer your character to a more populated datacenter...or just travel.

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"just give it time" lmao

like Materia ? The datacenter that is still an absolute ghost town to this day after a year or more ?

Dynamis is dead, and even the people that decided to move there are 24/7 on other more established datacenters, Seraph is the only world that is sort of "alive", the other 3 are ghost towns and if you look at housing it gives you a good image of that

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

"just give it time" lmao

like Materia ? The datacenter that is still an absolute ghost town to this day after a year or more ?

Dynamis is dead, and even the people that decided to move there are 24/7 on other more established datacenters, Seraph is the only world that is sort of "alive", the other 3 are ghost towns and if you look at housing it gives you a good image of that

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Materia has multiple issues with it that Dynamis doesn't need to deal with though, hence it was a doomed prophecy from the get-go.

Dynamis was never meant to become super populated during 6.X series - it's always been meant to handle 7.0 (technically it was meant for 6.0, but chip shortage for network servers was extremely brutal), where DC travel will become basically impossible due to the massive amounts of returning players causing multi-hour long transfer queues, and where most likely, every single Aether/Crystal/Primal server will be placed on lockdown, force-funneling new characters to Dynamis and effectively forcing them to play on it (also highly suspect they'll force-return every player back to Dynamis thats DC traveling when the game goes for 7.0 maintenance to alleviate queues for other servers from DC travellers). The only reason they added it early was to make sure that the hardware & backend of it was actively operational instead of sticking it in right before 7.0 and having it suffer from failures right before the moment its crucially needed.

Would be cool if we had region-wide queues for dailies and things. One thing I see a lot are dynamis players traveling to crystal for the queues so they can get their dailies done. I feel like if we had that, but otherwise put a pause on DC travel in general when a new DC dropped, that would allow the DC to actually breathe and form its own culture and economy without it being ruined by people just traveling to places that were already established. Probably would've helped to have dynamis release with half the worlds it released with, but it was also pretty obvious that dynamis was made to future proof against the anticipated population influx 7.0 could bring, so, eh. It's a bummer. I know people who wanted to go to dynamis to have an all new community experience. They wanted to spearhead initiatives on a new world and be at the forefront of, like, a whole new frontier. Instead 90% of the population bought a house and then dc traveled to crystal. I don't think any new DC will ever get to come into its own ever again now that DC travel exists.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

Would be cool if we had region-wide queues for dailies and things. One thing I see a lot are dynamis players traveling to crystal for the queues so they can get their dailies done. I feel like if we had that, but otherwise put a pause on DC travel in general when a new DC dropped, that would allow the DC to actually breathe and form its own culture and economy without it being ruined by people just traveling to places that were already established. Probably would've helped to have dynamis release with half the worlds it released with, but it was also pretty obvious that dynamis was made to future proof against the anticipated population influx 7.0 could bring, so, eh. It's a bummer. I know people who wanted to go to dynamis to have an all new community experience. They wanted to spearhead initiatives on a new world and be at the forefront of, like, a whole new frontier. Instead 90% of the population bought a house and then dc traveled to crystal. I don't think any new DC will ever get to come into its own ever again now that DC travel exists.

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Same will happen with the new EU DC they want to create, the new worlds (Sagi and Raiden) are already barely surviving, the economy is absolutely dead and the population is very tiny, while Phantom and Alpha got quite a few people, but when they release 8 new worlds with the new EU DC, they will just become dead worlds as the EU doesnt have the population to populate a new DC, and yet they seem to be going ahead with that idea no matter the fact that it will make an already tinier community (compared to NA) spread out even more, not only that but also create empty worlds that will end up like Materia,and the daring few that will move there will go back to Light to do content. Same issue, different region, they actually dont have a clue what they are doing and it shows.

now i seen region wide queues mentioned. while this would be cool. they would essentially be programming it into the dc travel system i would believe. which might end up being complicated because you are essentially pulling characters from different dc's into one location. its temp travel but with how the system is designed. would need a total rework

There is one thing they could do but probably won't, outside just gating it that is, and that would be to provide incentives for playing on said dead or new DC continually...damage buffs, gil, etc. That is one way to grab attention and interest...could be by influx hours too. Just message each DC when there is a low population on a specific DC so people can see and join that dead DC, this would allow queues to go smoother and might also build community given people would flock to said DC just to get the rewards, this would allow you to see familiar faces

They either need to disable DC travel entirely or restrict players from using duty/party finder while on a different DC.

While the Dynamis players are just making their own problem by refusing to stay on their own data center "because no one queues for anything there" (just stay put and the queues would naturally happen), since a good majority of them moved their for housing plots, what SE should do is automatically demolish houses if you spend X amount of time away from your home data center. Maybe something like 240 hours over the span of a month (roughly a third). So if they hit that 240 hour mark their house is automatically destroyed. Yes it'd be an extreme, but it would get them to actually use those servers instead of SE wasting resources on them.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

They either need to disable DC travel entirely or restrict players from using duty/party finder while on a different DC.

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I agree with this. Despite the doomposting and lower overall population, Materia is in a significantly better place than Dynamis. Due to being unable to DC travel, our markets, DF and PF are all livelier than Dynamis, even if we have more empty housing plots.

I only datacenter travel to shop, alliance and normal raid roulette normally. If I stayed on my center I would be sing for 3 hours plus for them. And I did that for 6 days in a roll the waiting for q is exhausting. Don't mind and hour and half,however I legit can't do my job as or msq whilein roulette is the big problem

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Originally Posted by Jasott

While the Dynamis players are just making their own problem by refusing to stay on their own data center "because no one queues for anything there" (just stay put and the queues would naturally happen), since a good majority of them moved their for housing plots, what SE should do is automatically demolish houses if you spend X amount of time away from your home data center. Maybe something like 240 hours over the span of a month (roughly a third). So if they hit that 240 hour mark their house is automatically destroyed. Yes it'd be an extreme, but it would get them to actually use those servers instead of SE wasting resources on them.

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This is not player made issue, they're doing what's more convenient for them, just as they should, and just as devs should expect. Devs are fully responsible for having 00s server infrastructure that seems to only handle 8 servers per DC and DF/PF cannot handle cross DC.

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SE wasting resources on them

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Mate, those players are the ones getting fucked by SE. Because housing is garbage, players who want house need to go to new server/DC to have any chance of getting one. And as result, they become victim of even more garbage system. Most importantly, they're still paying customers, we shouldn't need to do any of this in a first place.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Same will happen with the new EU DC they want to create, the new worlds (Sagi and Raiden) are already barely surviving, the economy is absolutely dead and the population is very tiny, while Phantom and Alpha got quite a few people, but when they release 8 new worlds with the new EU DC, they will just become dead worlds as the EU doesnt have the population to populate a new DC, and yet they seem to be going ahead with that idea no matter the fact that it will make an already tinier community (compared to NA) spread out even more, not only that but also create empty worlds that will end up like Materia,and the daring few that will move there will go back to Light to do content. Same issue, different region, they actually dont have a clue what they are doing and it shows.

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Yeahhh... they said the same thing the last time EU got an entire new data center. "Just merge all these empty servers back." "EU servers are so dead."

And by 6.0, they're clamoring for more worlds because they're absolutely packed.

I also think they're preparing for the future more than the present. I understand 6.0 also had the WoW exodus to help add fuel to the fire, but I feel as though they are putting in preventative measures to try to ensure there's no repeat of the dumpster fire that was 6.0 release.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Yeahhh... they said the same thing the last time EU got an entire new data center. "Just merge all these empty servers back." "EU servers are so dead."

And by 6.0, they're clamoring for more worlds because they're absolutely packed.

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They were packed after the massive WoW "exodus", but a lot of people stopped playing the game, went back to WoW, or are playing both games, we are not in that phase anymore, the "packed servers" phase is gone, Sagittarius and Raiden are good evidences of that, there's really not that many people there, and even the other worlds dont have that many queues except when all the bots that are under Limsa decide to log in (there's hundreds of them under there, and it goes for new gridania as well and uldah)

The salt about locked character transfer,creation and dc travel ques when 7.0 drops will be delicious.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

The salt about locked character transfer,creation and dc travel ques when 7.0 drops will be delicious.

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Who will be the salty ones, though?

It will also be interesting to see if the ones complaining in 7.0 about queues will be the same ones that had been complaining when 5.0 released.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

One thing I see a lot are dynamis players traveling to crystal for the queues so they can get their dailies done. I feel like if we had that, but otherwise put a pause on DC travel in general when a new DC dropped, that would allow the DC to actually breathe and form its own culture and economy without it being ruined by people just traveling to places that were already established. [...] I don't think any new DC will ever get to come into its own ever again now that DC travel exists.

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Yeah, I think outside of temporarily disabling DC travel whenever they stand up a new DC/server, the only way to help force life into it would be through rewarding or punitive measures. Like, you get Road to 80 from the new world, but you only get to benefit from it while you're on the world that granted it. That would discourage people from DC traveling for dailies. Or maybe the daily roulettes grant extra tomes if you run them on a new world. That would encourage people from established DCs to travel TO the new worlds. I think DC travel has been great, but they definitely need to offer something that counteracts it to give new worlds a chance at developing.

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Originally Posted by littlehobbit13

Yeah, I think outside of temporarily disabling DC travel whenever they stand up a new DC/server, the only way to help force life into it would be through rewarding or punitive measures. Like, you get Road to 80 from the new world, but you only get to benefit from it while you're on the world that granted it. That would discourage people from DC traveling for dailies. Or maybe the daily roulettes grant extra tomes if you run them on a new world. That would encourage people from established DCs to travel TO the new worlds. I think DC travel has been great, but they definitely need to offer something that counteracts it to give new worlds a chance at developing.

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This makes a lot of sense. Since road to 80 is there to incentivise server growth it shouldn't be an active buff while world traveling.

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Now before the mass attack i feel coming let me explain this idea. I seen on these very forums a discussion as to why Dynamis is dead. Then today i got to thinking about different ways to achieve it being lively other then maybe counting on 7.0 to liven it up.

The answer was simple. Set worlds on aether, primal and crystal to congested temporarily thereby funneling newly created characters and players into dynamis.. Now again, before im bombarded. I realize that it takes the freedom of having friends possibly creating new characters on your world or moving over there. also takes away your freedom to say make an alt on primal to join a friend. I get that.

However i suggest closing temp to at least make dynamis more lively. Wouldn't need long. maybe a patch cycle. then the worlds in primal, aether and crystal are changed back to normal. they can even monitor how its going population wise and if they see it needs a bit longer or its been long enough then they can change aether, crystal and primal from all congested to whatever (with balmung being on perma congested).

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Just add incentives to play on home DC.

Problem solved.

yeye, lets close server for new characters, so players wont able to invite their friends to the game.

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Originally Posted by Remolia

yeye, lets close server for new characters, so players wont able to invite their friends to the game.

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I mean it already happens 90% of the time. Hell even Seraph gets locked down on some days.